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[VEVAK]

Damavand is pretty much the end of a major Caspain Sea fleet. Might aswell uses these to beef up PG as you say.

It would take them 6 years to build another Mowj class in the Caspian Sea and the fact is a ship that size is totally unnecessary for the Caspian Sea

For the Caspian Sea during the course of the next 6 years I believe that money would be better spent building 6 Ghadir Subs + 2 Sina class size FAC specialized for Air Defense operations + 2 Catamaran class ships similar to the Shahid Nazeri and should contract out the Catamarans to SADRA they have a facility in the north....

And they should salvage all the equipment they can from the Damavand and bring it down south to speed up the construction of the hulls they have already built

If it was me for the Persian Gulf fleet especially since Iran will always be limited to the number of larger ships we can operate I would NOT be building anything under 450 ft (3,000 Tones) that's not equipped with at least 1 VLS (24 missiles 8 AsCM, 8 SAM & 8 LACM) but what's done is done and they need to finish the Hulls they have already constructed.

With proper funding from the government Iran's naval industries has the facilities, tools, manpower & expertise to build 4 450-500ft long missile cruiser & 2 600ft long Helo carrier/replenishment ship in the next decade

 

[OldTwilight]

I do not know completely the reasons that made the decision to decide to enter port under those conditions of the sea and without support of the tugs, but for the commander I see it difficult in the future to command any ship, in addition to the loss of the ship, I am deceased 4 crew members.

if you notice well the ship has finally divided into 3 parts, so yours is a plausible hypothesis, not optimal welds could be the cause of the collapse of the ship

you don't know IRI ... Islamic Republic in most of case encourage failure and punish success ... I bet the commander rank will be improved and they will assign him to even more critical position ...


Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ....

 

[sahureka2]

[QUOTE = "OldTwilight, post: 10215146, membro: 178922"]
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Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ...... [/ QUOTE]

And just exactly what do you mean by that remark ?
what is the fault of the Russians if it sank?
We're not kidding.

Some sources indicate that one of the two engines failed first, but they still tried to return without asking the tugboats for help, then the second engine failed and the result is visible to everyone.
Therefore, if, and again, if the cause was triggered by the failure of the engines (on the Damavand are French or Chinese?) We must investigate the cause;
but the biggest mistake that led to the disaster is to be found in the decision to return to port without help from the tugboats.
Then if Commander of the ship or a superior one who eventually made the decision instead of being punished, is promoted, the credibility of the navy will certainly be affected

 

[sahureka2]

photo of two days ago, the crane raises a part of Damavand 77

photo posted today

all the merit of the photo to the author
anzaliclub

 

[Muhammed45]

you don't know IRI ... Islamic Republic in most of case encourage failure and punish success ... I bet the commander rank will be improved and they will assign him to even more critical position ...


Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ....

wtf
Let's blame the extinction of dinosaurs on Orthodox Russians lol

Calm down bro, that was a natural thing

 

[Hack-Hook]

Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ....

I can't see why Russia must have been unhappy with Damavand .
If they wanted their air force could have disable it easily .

 

[OldTwilight]

I can't see why Russia must have been unhappy with Damavand .
If they wanted their air force could have disable it easily .

well , something like "Iran dared to operate a battleship in Caspian sea after Turkemanchay"

 

[Hack-Hook]

well , something like "Iran dared to operate a battleship in Caspian sea after Turkemanchay"

does turkemanchay still in effect ?
And honestly mowdge class is only called battleship because we don't have any equialant phrase in Persian .if the Russian are going to worry about something its about our submarines there not a single corvette we had there

 

[ashool]

CHERTO PETE HAYE YE SERI BACHE ESHGH AMRICA

well , something like "Iran dared to operate a battleship in Caspian sea after Turkemanchay"

 

[Fafnir]

[QUOTE = "OldTwilight, post: 10215146, membro: 178922"]
......
Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ...... [/ QUOTE]

And just exactly what do you mean by that remark ?
what is the fault of the Russians if it sank?
We're not kidding.

Some sources indicate that one of the two engines failed first, but they still tried to return without asking the tugboats for help, then the second engine failed and the result is visible to everyone.
Therefore, if, and again, if the cause was triggered by the failure of the engines (on the Damavand are French or Chinese?) We must investigate the cause;
but the biggest mistake that led to the disaster is to be found in the decision to return to port without help from the tugboats.
Then if Commander of the ship or a superior one who eventually made the decision instead of being punished, is promoted, the credibility of the navy will certainly be affected

Agreed,sadly as so often happens the problem appears to be one of possible mechanical failure compounded by a failure of command/human failure,certainly not russian voodoo/mumbo jumbo.
If it was an engine failure that caused this chain of events then the exact cause must be determined quickly in order to ascertain if there is a flaw in the design of the engines themselves,certainly the chances of both engines failing so close together does make one seriously wonder about this,or whether other factors were the cause including and up to the possibility of sabotage,altho to be perfectly honest I do have to wonder how likely that would really actually be,still at this point nothing can be ruled out and hopefully the results of the investigation/inquiry will be made public as quickly as possible and that real lessons will be learnt from this disaster.

 

[raptor22]

[QUOTE = "OldTwilight, post: 10215146, membro: 178922"]
......
Nothing will happen ... look like Russia was unhappy about Iran's operational frigate in Caspian sea and surprisingly the frigate was sunken in front of our eyes like piece of iron ...... [/ QUOTE]

And just exactly what do you mean by that remark ?
what is the fault of the Russians if it sank?
We're not kidding.

Some sources indicate that one of the two engines failed first, but they still tried to return without asking the tugboats for help, then the second engine failed and the result is visible to everyone.
Therefore, if, and again, if the cause was triggered by the failure of the engines (on the Damavand are French or Chinese?) We must investigate the cause;
but the biggest mistake that led to the disaster is to be found in the decision to return to port without help from the tugboats.
Then if Commander of the ship or a superior one who eventually made the decision instead of being punished, is promoted, the credibility of the navy will certainly be affected

Shouldn't be an instruction or sth like that to be followed in such an event by captain? i

 

[VEVAK]

Agreed,sadly as so often happens the problem appears to be one of possible mechanical failure compounded by a failure of command/human failure,certainly not russian voodoo/mumbo jumbo.
If it was an engine failure that caused this chain of events then the exact cause must be determined quickly in order to ascertain if there is a flaw in the design of the engines themselves,certainly the chances of both engines failing so close together does make one seriously wonder about this,or whether other factors were the cause including and up to the possibility of sabotage,altho to be perfectly honest I do have to wonder how likely that would really actually be,still at this point nothing can be ruled out and hopefully the results of the investigation/inquiry will be made public as quickly as possible and that real lessons will be learnt from this disaster.

If the Damavand was having engine problems prior to the incident then that's even worse because during bad weather the captain should NOT have tried to bring in the ship so close to shore without a proper escort especially when he knew there was even the slightest chance of engine failure.

And if there was a chain reaction the chain reaction was probably started when the propellers hit the rocks as they were trying to push the engines to beat the tides ​

What Iran's Navy should take from this is

1.Bad weather or not during peace time without exception any military vessel over 200tones that has weapons and explosives onboard should NEVER be entering or exiting harbors and ports without Tugboat escorts.
It really isn't too much to ask to have tugboats escort larger military vessels in and out of ports especially ports like Bandar Anzali where civilian ships also operate.

2.Iran's Navy should have installed sensor buoy's that measure waves size and intensity at the entrance of the port and they should of had a set numbers as to when it's safe to come in or exit and when it's not and in the future these decisions should be based on set data coming from sensors and NOT left in the judgment of ship captains.
And the only time a captain of a ship should be allowed to cross the red line data coming from the buoy is when he has direct approval from the top commanding officer of the base the ship is trying to dock at.

This reeks of human error all around and because of that every single officer on that ship should be given a desk job and banned from ever leaving the country ever again

 

[mohsen]

Navy commander: the work on Iranian Phalanx-class (CIWS) short range air defense system dubbed "KAMAND" has finished and before the end of this (Persian) year (less than 40 days) will be installed on Iranian vessels.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/831286/پایان-کار-ساخت-سامانه-دفاعی-کمند

 

[Fafnir]

Navy commander: the work on Iranian Phalanx-class (CIWS) short range air defense system dubbed "KAMAND" has finished and before the end of this (Persian) year (less than 40 days) will be installed on Iranian vessels.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/831286/پایان-کار-ساخت-سامانه-دفاعی-کمند

Better late than never I suppose,but god knows how many literally years [decades even] overdue,hopefully the development of dedicated naval sams and associated aesa/pesa radars with vls will not take anywhere near as long[but I wont be holding my breath!].Still it will be interesting to see what the system looks like,my money is likely either on a re-engineered and modernised soviet navy ak630 or the dprk navy 30mm equivalent,but then again I think it could be just as likely that we see something totally new and unique.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Navy commander: the work on Iranian Phalanx-class (CIWS) short range air defense system dubbed "KAMAND" has finished and before the end of this (Persian) year (less than 40 days) will be installed on Iranian vessels.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/831286/پایان-کار-ساخت-سامانه-دفاعی-کمند

Well now we are taking, at least now it can target some threats unlike that Bofors that was an evolution over the infamous pom-poms gun

Better late than never I suppose,but god knows how many literally years [decades even] overdue,hopefully the development of dedicated naval sams and associated aesa/pesa radars with vls will not take anywhere near as long[but I wont be holding my breath!].Still it will be interesting to see what the system looks like,my money is likely either on a re-engineered and modernised soviet navy ak630 or the dprk navy 30mm equivalent,but then again I think it could be just as likely that we see something totally new and unique.

Well my guess is that it will be based on Vulcan cannon or Asefeh 23mm gatling gun.
Just Hope its not based on moharram 12.7mm gun