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[VEVAK]

Subs have a "fear" factor attached to them...Even their possible existence in a body of water will be a very good "denial" tool against a more advanced adversary with almost unlimited resources. They will be spending lots of time finding these subs rather than attacking (the weak belly of the US navy is dead sailors floating on water!).

As for Fateh, I once did a comparison with the German U boats and they are almost in the same size..so they may not carry much payload but their fear factor will empty that green zone to a large degree...Bigger subs are great but also their loss will also be more painful (and Iran will lose quite a few of these subs if fighting against US).

A 600 ton sub vs a 1000 ton is really not that different in mass and size to be that much different even if you where to compare it to a heavier German Type-209 at 1800 tons your talking about 150ft long submarine vs a 200ft long sub where one can dive to over twice the depth and has twice the speed and firepower

 

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[Muhammed45]

This small boat enjoys stunning Speed. More amazing point of this achievement is the possibility of firing a cruise missile at high speeds. People judging it by size of the vessel, always forget that it has years of R&D behind before being unveiled. The radar, guidance system and most importantly the Speed of the boat itself. Congratulations to IRGCN.

 

[aryobarzan]

This small boat enjoys stunning Speed. More amazing point of this achievement is the possibility of firing a cruise missile at high speeds. People judging it by size of the vessel, always forget that it has years of R&D behind before being unveiled. The radar, guidance system and most importantly the Speed of the boat itself. Congratulations to IRGCN.

You are right I will put this boat in the "cutting edge Tech" thread in the "Middle east" forum section today. I think this was based on Blade runner design..

 

[VEVAK]

Iran only recently gained the capability to build 3000-4000 ton vessels on paper.

To expect Iran to build a 3000 version of Jamaran in 2008 is laughable.

And 1 or 2 3000 ton vessels are useless. Iran is taking the right approach in this field. Big vessels only make sense in massive numbers (China or Russia) where the loss of a handful of them doesn’t lead to fall of your Navy.

Don't confuse what Iran's navy has built with what Iran is capable of building! By 2005 Iran built Iran-Arak a +600ft long vessel with 3x that mass


Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that it would have taken Iran the same amount of time to produce a 1500 ton ship as appose to a 3000 ton ship and what Iran would save in terms of material cost would be utterly insignificant compared to the manhour requirements needed to build that ship.
Just go find out how much the alloy and raw materials would cost then compare the price vs the potential capability. If you like you can even add a 0 to the end (X10) if it makes you happy!
Continuing to build small frigates like the Mowj class is a mistake!

The 10,000 ton Iran-Kashan is +600ft Length x 30m Width and is capable of 22 knots so the ability to produce larger vessels is well within Iran's capabilities

The Jamaran can carry how many missiles? 4 AShCM + 2 SAM? That ship can neither defend it's self nor bring any kind hurt to any potential enemy and would likely split in half with a single shot.
Overall, the sensors and com's it has have been wasted on a ship with little to no real firepower.
And that ship regardless of it's limited capabilities would be as much a target in a 1st wave strike by the US than a 10,000 ton fully equipped missile cruiser.

 

[VEVAK]

This small boat enjoys stunning Speed. More amazing point of this achievement is the possibility of firing a cruise missile at high speeds. People judging it by size of the vessel, always forget that it has years of R&D behind before being unveiled. The radar, guidance system and most importantly the Speed of the boat itself. Congratulations to IRGCN.

What is it's range and the range of it's missiles???

The vessel would have a max range of no more than 600-700km which puts them at a combat radius of ~300km (AT BEST)
The targeting range of such a vessel would be no more than 40-50km (AT BEST)

They are a great achievement and a great capability but at some point your going to have to focus on beyond that range....

 

[Muhammed45]

What is it's range and the range of it's missiles???

The vessel would have a max range of no more than 600-700km which puts them at a combat radius of ~300km (AT BEST)
The targeting range of such a vessel would be no more than 40-50km (AT BEST)

They are a great achievement and a great capability but at some point your going to have to focus on beyond that range....

Indeed.

Just a day ago IRGC general said that our focus will be on larger vessels with extended range. And we are currently manufacturing such vessels. But my advice, don't expect anything regular from IRGCN. Their primary tactic unlike IRINavy, is hit and run.

تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯ در دستÙر کار ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ø§Ø³Øª

ÙرÙاÙد٠ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ú¯Ùت: تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯Û Ø±Ø§ در دستÙر کار دارÛ٠٠اÛÙ Ø´ÙاÙرÙا در Øا٠تÙÙÛد ÙستÙد.

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IRGCN wants to extend its current firepower/tactics to the Indian ocean hence developing vessels such as Roudaki transformed ship. IRGCN's most important goal is defusing American threat and neutralising them so they will try their best to deploy their AShBM and AShCMs to Indian ocean,through those transformed naval ships.

Furthermore these capable small boats are deployable to ships like Roudaki, they can Guard the mother ship where IRGCN wants to have a permanent presence. They can refuel from the mother ship which will play the role of a naval base for these small vessels. These mother ships will also play the role of the Persian Gulf bases for hit and run tactics of IRGCN. Supported by IRGC developed close/Medium/Long range SAMs.

Tangsiri also said that every kind of missiles that you could imagine, is deployed to Roudaki transformed ship. That's why i claimed it will carry AShBM and AShCMs.

All in all these small boats are still the best option for protecting IRGCN 's Long range mother ships.

 

[Stryker1982]

And 1 or 2 3000 ton vessels are useless. Iran is taking the right approach in this field. Big vessels only make sense in massive numbers (China or Russia) where the loss of a handful of them doesn’t lead to fall of your Navy.

And given Iran's enemies, Iran cannot complete in blue waters with the USN.

Indeed.

Just a day ago IRGC general said that our focus will be on larger vessels with extended range. And we are currently manufacturing such vessels. But my advice, don't expect anything regular from IRGCN. Their primary tactic unlike IRINavy, is hit and run.

تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯ در دستÙر کار ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ø§Ø³Øª

ÙرÙاÙد٠ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ú¯Ùت: تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯Û Ø±Ø§ در دستÙر کار دارÛ٠٠اÛÙ Ø´ÙاÙرÙا در Øا٠تÙÙÛد ÙستÙد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

IRGCN wants to extend its current firepower/tactics to the Indian ocean hence developing vessels such as Roudaki transformed ship. IRGCN's most important goal is defusing American threat and neutralising them so they will try their best to deploy their AShBM and AShCMs to Indian ocean,through those transformed naval ships.

Furthermore these capable small boats are deployable to ships like Roudaki, they can Guard the mother ship where IRGCN wants to have a permanent presence. They can refuel from the mother ship which will play the role of a naval base for these small vessels. These mother ships will also play the role of the Persian Gulf bases for hit and run tactics of IRGCN. Supported by IRGC developed close/Medium/Long range SAMs.

Tangsiri also said that every kind of missiles that you could imagine, is deployed to Roudaki transformed ship. That's why i claimed it will carry AShBM and AShCMs.

All in all these small boats are still the best option for protecting IRGCN 's Long range mother ships.

We simply don't have the means to protect these large ships in blue water territory. I hope one day we can, but we need many vessels to provide anti-air and CIWS

 

[TheImmortal]

Don't confuse what Iran's navy has built with what Iran is capable of building! By 2005 Iran built Iran-Arak a +600ft long vessel with 3x that mass


Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that it would have taken Iran the same amount of time to produce a 1500 ton ship as appose to a 3000 ton ship and what Iran would save in terms of material cost would be utterly insignificant compared to the manhour requirements needed to build that ship.
Just go find out how much the alloy and raw materials would cost then compare the price vs the potential capability. If you like you can even add a 0 to the end (X10) if it makes you happy!
Continuing to build small frigates like the Mowj class is a mistake!

The 10,000 ton Iran-Kashan is +600ft Length x 30m Width and is capable of 22 knots so the ability to produce larger vessels is well within Iran's capabilities

The Jamaran can carry how many missiles? 4 AShCM + 2 SAM? That ship can neither defend it's self nor bring any kind hurt to any potential enemy and would likely split in half with a single shot.
Overall, the sensors and com's it has have been wasted on a ship with little to no real firepower.
And that ship regardless of it's limited capabilities would be as much a target in a 1st wave strike by the US than a 10,000 ton fully equipped missile cruiser.

Stop comparing cargo and oil tankers to a warship. They are completely different design criteria and complexity.

 

[Muhammed45]

We simply don't have the means to protect these large ships in blue water territory. I hope one day we can, but we need many vessels to provide anti-air and CIWS

Yes, still a long way to go. Begin from somewhere and continue to move on and progress. Slowly but surely

 

[VEVAK]

Indeed.

Just a day ago IRGC general said that our focus will be on larger vessels with extended range. And we are currently manufacturing such vessels. But my advice, don't expect anything regular from IRGCN. Their primary tactic unlike IRINavy, is hit and run.

تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯ در دستÙر کار ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ø§Ø³Øª

ÙرÙاÙد٠ÙÛرÙÛ Ø¯Ø±ÛاÛÛ Ø³Ù¾Ø§Ù Ú¯Ùت: تÙÙÛد Ø´ÙاÙرÙØ§Û Ø¨Ø²Ø±Ú¯Û Ø±Ø§ در دستÙر کار دارÛ٠٠اÛÙ Ø´ÙاÙرÙا در Øا٠تÙÙÛد ÙستÙد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

IRGCN wants to extend its current firepower/tactics to the Indian ocean hence developing vessels such as Roudaki transformed ship. IRGCN's most important goal is defusing American threat and neutralising them so they will try their best to deploy their AShBM and AShCMs to Indian ocean,through those transformed naval ships.

Furthermore these capable small boats are deployable to ships like Roudaki, they can Guard the mother ship where IRGCN wants to have a permanent presence. They can refuel from the mother ship which will play the role of a naval base for these small vessels. These mother ships will also play the role of the Persian Gulf bases for hit and run tactics of IRGCN. Supported by IRGC developed close/Medium/Long range SAMs.

Tangsiri also said that every kind of missiles that you could imagine, is deployed to Roudaki transformed ship. That's why i claimed it will carry AShBM and AShCMs.

All in all these small boats are still the best option for protecting IRGCN 's Long range mother ships.

I agree for the coming decade Sepah Navy should focus on Vessels like the Roudakki, fast refueling tankers, Tondar, Improved versions of the Fateh & Gadir sub, Azarakhsh & Zolfaghar missile boats to allow them to have and maintain high presence at ranges of 500-1000km off shore

However what I don't see much value in is the emphasis and production of 100's of manned rocket boats because at the end of the day you would be far better off using those resources to build unmanned systems equipped with a smaller number more accurate and more effective weapons

 

[Muhammed45]

However what I don't see much value in is the emphasis and production of 100's of manned rocket boats because at the end of the day you would be far better off using those resources to build unmanned systems equipped with a smaller number more accurate and more effective weapons

IRGC plans realstically, if you had paid attention to their exercises then youd have known that they always suppose US fire power over comes theirs at sea. These small boats are the final front line against Americans before they manage to break IRGC's resistance and reach Iranian shores, that's why IRGCN tries to make this line strongest. Step by step IRGCN wants to make our shores inaccessible for American navy. A Multi layered defense line. Nowadays they are trying to have permanent presence in Indian ocean. Let's Wait for their future unveils, their larger vessels will fill the gap between Persian Gulf bases and their floating bases in Indian ocean.

 

[VEVAK]

Stop comparing cargo and oil tankers to a warship. They are completely different design criteria and complexity.

If you can produce a ship like this then producing any kind of standard ship hull below that weight class is within your infrastructural capability to produce. Get that through your head!
Even if you end up loosing 5 knots due to lack of proper R&D facilities and experience in hull building at the end of the day the ability to produce the hull has been there

 

[aryobarzan]

If you can produce a ship like this then producing any kind of standard ship hull below that weight class is within your infrastructural capability to produce. Get that through your head!
Even if you end up loosing 5 knots due to lack of proper R&D facilities and experience in hull building at the end of the day the ability to produce the hull has been there



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Fully agree......It is easier to say "nay you can not do that!!" but when you get into it you will realize it is not so hard after all..been there many many times . Human nature.

 

[Sineva]