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[Messerschmitt]

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[925boy]

Does everyone here have reading comprehension issues?

Can you be the only person on this forum with good comprehension skills? i mean, whats the odd of that?

Iran could have been MUCH further ahead. Unfortunately the early IR of Iran was filled more with religious zeal than pragmatic nature found today.

Iran was actually under VERY LITTLE sanctions post Revolution. Just US trade embargo, but even that didn’t stop firms like Dick Cheney’s Halliburton from having office in Tehran in 90’s.

Instead of attracting massive foreign investment and branching into international trade. Iran was too busy following the “neither East nor West” slogan and was suspicious of any major foreign investment by any country.

This hurt Iran greatly later on when more and more sanctions were put on it. Too little too late to start attracting foreign investment outside of energy sector.

This is clearly evident by the GDP growth in Iran from 1990-2005 and the GDP growth of Turkey during the same period.

Iran is NOT UAE or Saudi Arabia. Maybe you've been in America so long, you see Iran through a typical western lens and maybe thats why you're always confused by what Iran does - you never understand why Iran does what it does, but at the end of the day, Iran's results show TODAY. you can say IRan has no good airforce, no good navy(especially COMPARED TO NAZI GERMANY U BOATS) but at the end of the day, no country is willing to mess with Iran in the middle east(So Iran got something very important right,which 90% of regional countries that opened up "international trade" or whatever BS you said) and if that doesnt tell u all u need to know, then we know its only you with the "comprehension" problem.

What you as an Iranian doesnt understand is that Iran has chosen a DIFFERENT PATH. YOu dont have to be Iranian to understand that, but you need to understand that to understand Modern day Iran.

Yeah but look at Turkey's economy now. Their country is completely dependent on a constant influx of EUR's and USD's. The west can pull the plug on them at any time and cripple them completely.10 yrs ago 1USD = 1.2 Lira NOW 1 USD =6 Lira and that's without serious sanctions imposed on their economy.

Please dont forget that a potentially bigger cost TUrkey has paid is lack of strategic freedom in regional and international national policy. We can see that a Turkey of today that wants to be more independent is hated by the West. Yes, Turkey cant be completely independent and free to act without leaving NATO. Iran already bought that freedom a long time ago.

Then according to your logic, the recent fall in Iran's currency is a good thing as well ? It can help Iranians sell more ? Well you could say that about any countries currency being devalued. Japan devalued their currency on purpose a few years ago.

Iran is currently being subjected to the most stringent, harshest sanctions in human history, you can't compare it's economy to a country like Turkey with an open market. Also much of Iran's economy is currently under the table. What you see on paper is one thing. The oil Iran sells under the table is another. There are lots of small and medium sized businesses investing in Iran, however they're keeping their activity in the dark out of fear of sanctions.

The US and EU are about to impose some harsher sanctions on Turkey. They don't give a sh#t about Turkey. To them it's just another vassal state. if they fall out of line then they will be punished. Simple as that. Right now their economy is not doing very well. It's mostly just fueled by debt.

Here is a prototype of an electric car they're releasing in 2022. Looks like a Tesla knock off. It's designed by an Italian firm. Electric doesn't really make sense in Iran where gasoline prices are still relatively cheap even with the recent increase. If they can produce it for a really cheap price they can maybe export some ? Although with Germany being right there it's going to be difficult. However if this ends up costing anything close to as much as a Honda, Nissan EV or even a Hyundai EV, I don't see too many people buying it. Maybe some Turkish fanboys and Erdogans family and friends ?

NO LIE DETECTED. Let that man keep analyzing Iran like Iran is an EU country or UAE. He doesnt understand that Iran has a different ideology(revolutionary still) than many other countries. No surprise, this is why Iran is the hardest Nut the US govt hasnt been able to crack. This man just looks at Iran like a typical white man born and raised in a white country. sorry.

LOL---these destroyers were being built for many years before construction was finished simultaneously in the last year and these ships were delivered to the Navy at the same time.


LOL---when you have 1,5 billion people living on 1 dollar a day---this is already a substantial economy--and now you say: what is the potential of 1,5bln Chinese versus 80mln Iranians?



You are too concentrated on comparing displacement of submarines. U-Boat and Type XXI are ancient low tech submarines and are not comparable to modern submarines even to those with smaller displacement.

If Iran had an aim to build ancient low tech crap like Type XXI submarine--- Iran could build it in 2-4 years.

But Iran want to build a really advanced MODERN submarine with displacement of 3000 tons---and this is much more than just building a sub with big displacement.

Iran needs to design 21st century advanced sonars, electronics, low noise engines, batteries, metals etc....---all those things that ancient low tech crap like U-boat or Type XXI lacked...---and of course designing, testing and producing these advanced 21st century technologies will take 10 years.

If Germany was so advanced in 1940s...then why the best they can build today is Type 212 with displacement of 1800 tons??? Maybe you can make comparison between Type XXI sub and modern Type 212?

Comparing U-boat to Iranian 3000ton advanced sub is the same as comparing ancient crap like German tank Tiger II to modern tank Leopard 2A7. (and then say: look...Germans could build Tiger II in 1940s while Iran needs 10 years to build Leopard 2A7)


If you want to see real size of economic output --you should not look at nominal GDP, because it depend on the exchange rate of the domestic currency...and exchange rates tend to fluctuate....Countries that are heavily engaged in international trade and have a large influx of foreign currency coming from exports or foreign investments----- experience appreciation of their domestic currency and thus larger nominal GDP.

Because of Iranian rials depreciation and Turkish lira devaluation----nominal GDP of both Turkey and Iran are lower today than in your figures.



You better look at GDP PPP to compare real output of economies.

In 1990 Iran had a GDP PPP of 414bln$ and Turkey in 1990 had a GDP PPP of 389bln$

In 2016 Iranian GDP PPP was 1,55 trl$ and Turkish GDP PPP in 2016 was 1,9 trl$


But Turkey has something Iran lacks....Turkish cities are located close to the sea, so Turkey can engage in maritime trade with the outside world, while Iranian cities are located far away from the ports and you need to build expensive infrastructure in the mountains from Tehran to Bandar Abbas + add additional transportation costs to the final costs of the goods.

Turkey has geographical access to the huge markets of EU and Eastern Europe---something Iran lacks

BRO!! You're smart and very analytical. MOst of the things you told @TheImmortal about comparing German Uboats to Iranian subs i told him already. But when he is confronted with logic his go to is "do you have comprehension problems??"...lmaooo

No one can accurately predict the economy of a country that far in the future.

Also if Iran integrates into the world economy it will go through an economic boom the likes of which hasn’t been seen. You are forgetting that 80MM population has been completely closed off to US investment and significantly closed off to EU investment.

So Iran could pass Turkey in next 20 years if sanctions are lifted and ties with US are normalized.

When will you COMPREHEND that Iran has different values and philosophies from white caucasian countries? It took me a while to realize this tbh, and i'm not Iranian, but if you really know Iran, you know that while Iran needs and likes money, it places more importance generally on its national and religious ideology and regional hegemony than money. Iran's national identity and confidence doesnt come from money ,especially if it comes at a cost Iran doesnt value, such as completely being a yes-man to the West.

I couldnt have put it any better.
Under pahlavi iran may have had some impressive weapons and capabilities.....on paper at least,but these were completely dependent on us and western logistics and after market support and back up,and the downsides to this became only too apparent during the iran-iraq war.

Even worse, during Pahlavi era, apparently there were 20-30K foreign officers embedded in Iran's military, so that means Iran's real military functioning was almost 0. Western white men were running Iranian military operations and functions back then.

They would never do exercises around enemy radars. Instead they would do it in Alaska or Hawaii or Guam.

There was a rumor, that UAE turned on its S-300 Radar when an F-22 was flying into UAE for an air show and that the S-300 was able to detect the radar signature of the F-22. US was not happy with this because they believe Russia has backdoors in all foreign systems and can collect that information.

i can believe this. i just read on wiki about those stupid overpriced F22s and once again, they've never faced real war scenarios against competent military forces. the most they did was in Syria and their primary mission was ISR. S400s will shred those craps up.

 

[925boy]

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However India is an immediate neighbor of Iran and will have a GDP that is 11 times bigger than Iran's---so India is a potential long-term threat to Iran.

We can assume that in the future India will build a huge Navy and air force and will become a hyperpower that projects power through the area and tries to establish hegemony in the Indian Ocean basin.

So while China and USA are far away located and will be busy containing each other....India will become a threat not only to Pakistan but also to Iran and other counties of the region.in

To be honest, i am beginning to see signs of this. 2 things - 1. India has started buying sanctioned Venezuelan oil, and less of sanctioned Iranian oil. we thought the issue with Iranian oil was the sanctions, but now that we see India buying Venezuelan oil, we know the sanctions werent a real deterrent to India buying Iranian oil.

2. Recent India - Oman agreement on Indian ocean and Gulf of Oman- It was recently announced, but i just feel this is a snub to iran by India. India is basically trying to control and influence areas around the Persian Gulf by making deals with the weaker players aka not Iran. India has also deployed a flotilla to the Persian Gulf soon after some incidents happened there recently.

CHina and Pakistan combined will put good pressure on India btw so we need to consider this. Also, Iran still has alot of ways of controlling INdian influence in the Persian gulf, but i also feel Iranian leaders are still a ways from making this decision. My belief is that Indian influence today in the ME also has Iranian consent along with it. Finally, India IMO has no real hold in Afghanistan without Iran because the only good routes into Afghanistan are via Pakistan an INdia. Iran is doing Chabahar with India now, but Iran can use Afghanistan access for INdia as leverage. India wants and needs access and influence in Afghanistan.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I couldnt have put it any better.
Under pahlavi iran may have had some impressive weapons and capabilities.....on paper at least,but these were completely dependent on us and western logistics and after market support and back up,and the downsides to this became only too apparent during the iran-iraq war.

Iran is the most industrialized nation in the Middle East, this is no kidding.

Just like China from the 1970s, it didn't matter for us to not be capable to produce the top quality products to the western standard, but we can produce almost everything without the foreign assistance.

And with the following economic reform, with more fresh blood being injected into our economy, and this has quickly turned China into a manufacturing juggernaut.

Without the primary foundation of the industrialization laid down during the Mao era, there is no way that China could become so powerful today even with the economic reform.

That's why the current Iran is very reminiscent of the China from the 1970s.

That's why the endeavor made by the current Iranian regime will not be wasted at all.

 

[skyshadow]

 

[aryobarzan]

Few photos from the recent exercises..Iranian navy marines with IRGC marine SFs..Impressed me seeing them together ...I guess we all remember what the IRGC guys did to UK tanker while escorted by UK warship. so this is real stuff for these guys.

 

[aryobarzan]

Can you repost these photos and give the web address as well please. I can't see these pictures!

sure..here is web address.
https://cdn.mashreghnews.ir/d/2019/12/29/4/2678642.jpg

 

[Mithridates]

Why I can't recognise the first ship's type??

 

[Sineva]

Alborz 72
In addition the Kamand CIWS and search and track system, technological innovations are also available for the 35 mm / 90 KDC system

Good spotting my friend!.
I wonder if the optronic system for the 35mm mounting was installed prior to the installation of the kamand ciws?

Going back to talking about ships.

Certainly the Kamand CIWS and its search and location system would increase the defensive capabilities of the 2 Bayandor class units exponentially.

Here my photoshop of what it might look like

Heres my rather crude windows paint variant of your photoshop pic,this time with 2 kamand ciws,one at the front as well as at the back.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

sure..here is web address.
https://cdn.mashreghnews.ir/d/2019/12/29/4/2678642.jpg

Thank you!

 

[sha ah]

Like I said, Iran doesn't produce all the weapons up to western standards but they do the job and Iran has only been producing weapons for 20 - 30 years. Wait another 10-20 years and the gap will shrink. It takes time, just likei China. A few decades ago Chinese weapons / products were not on par with American / European standards but what mattered most was that they were not dependent on the west. Now the gap has shrank significantly. Producing products with foreign parts, foreign help, foreign designs is one thing, but being self sufficient is completely different.

On the other hand, western products can be severely over-rated. Look at how the Saudis spent hundreds of billions of dollars on their Patriot SAMS, but in the end, Iranian made missiles and drones which were supposed to be inferior on paper and inaccurate, were able to bypass all the Patriot batteries and hit their targets with pin point precision. This is what happens when a country takes the initiative and puts faith in its own people and industry.

When you buy foreign weapons from foreign countries or when you need spare parts from them, it gives them a certain level of control over your foreign policy. No country can exercise full sovereignty or real independence until they have a fully self sufficient weapons industry. Iran currently exports weapons to 50 different countries and Iranian made cars are exported to several regional countries and even parts of Europe.

From all the information I've gathered, Turkish drones use British made parts. Even your new stealth jet with be made by the British. Iran currently has the largest collection of captured US drones in the world. When Iran gained access to the RQ-170 it gave Iran a huge boost. Turkish engineers have never gained to advanced technology like that and I highly doubt if the US would sell it to them. Also last time I checked the Turkish military was buying UAV engines from Iran. This was after Turkey tried buying UAV's from Israel, however apparently the Israeli's sold Turkey inferior products or defective products.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5295266,00.html

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/133653/Iran-Turkey-sign-5-MoUs-on-sale-of-aviation-industry-products

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/
Try to find iran in that list... I don't think you can. Datas doesnt lie.
iran's and Turkey's frame of mind is different. For you, you must do all of the work yourself. You have to. And if the product you produce is inferior against western standarts it is not a problem. You don't have a choice. It is the same for weapons it is the same for civillian products.
Turkey works for the western standards. Because we have access to the big markets... we can export and we like to export. We export cars, household appliances, luxury yachts, everykind of textiles and so on. We are not like Japan or Korea, but god forbid we are not like iran neither.
About defence Industry. It is the same. We produce 70% of our weapons ourselves. We export 2.3 billions of weapons every year. We have 4 firms in top 100... Because we just dont produce, we also export. Sure we don't have a hight attitude SAM right now, but the first air defence system we produced Hisar-A and Hisar-O exported to Bangladesh in prototype stages... Because when we start to work for something. We produce the best we can.
Do we sometimes asking for assitance from the others? Yes. Because we can and if our product is inferior Turkish army won't buy it. And a note, for example Turkish ANKA and Aksungur UCAV's are %95 Turkish made. Even the engines are Turkish PD170 and PD222. Your Shahed-129 is still flying with Rotax and it is just a Tactical UCAV in our doctrine. So you see, it is all about priorities.
And like I said, this data doesn't lie. Perhaps if there was no embargo on you, things would have been different. But it is not the case.


Working with US is like dancing with devil. I know. But iran and Turkey isn't the same. We killed their so called allies and What did they do except F35? Sure it would be different if we threat them with a direct attack like you do... And actually if we today get rid of the S400 they would like to take us back in the project, it is just not something we want. Because F35 means you must obey to US otherwise you can't even fly this jet. And in today's geopolitical sutiation, it is not something we want.
Nobody wants SU-57. Erdogan used it to annoy americans but Turkish defence Industry is working for Hürjet and TFX. This are our next generation fighters, not Su57. I know it is much more harder than just copying F5 with 5 different names but you know us, We like challenges.

 

[skyshadow]

Why I can't recognise the first ship's type??

that is IRGC NASER class boats its It is 33 meters long and 8 meters wide its speed is more than 27 nodes 50 km / h its capable of carrying 86 passengers, carrying 35 tons of cargo and the capability of mounting a variety of weapons on board, it has four engines 135 hp and it has 1500 km range.

 

[xbat]

From all the information I've gathered, Turkish drones use British made parts. Even your new stealth jet with be made by the British. Iran currently has the largest collection of captured US drones in the world. When Iran gained access to the RQ-170 it gave Iran a huge boost. Turkish engineers have never gained to advanced technology like that and I highly doubt if the US would sell it to them. Also last time I checked the Turkish military was buying UAV engines from Iran. This was after Turkey tried buying UAV's from Israel, however apparently the Israeli's sold Turkey inferior products or defective products.

Turkey doesnt use British made parts on its drones. There was news about mini launcher on brits newspaper , it was officially rejected by the company owner.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1199734594851016704

Turkey is getting Tech assistance from brits for TFX fighter, they dont design whole plane, a plane is a very complex machine that can be called system of systems, Brits is helping only for aerodynamic now, there are tons of works that need to be done like radar, actuators , software, metallurgy, composites, landing gears , radios, ew suites bla bla.

I dont consider Iran to make RQ170 at the same level with US. You can understand composite structure but if you dont have the same level tech you cant make the same one. it is actually valid for electronics too. For drones Turkey doesnt need anyone to learn something, it is only about money and time.

What engine Turkey bought from Iran? can you share the engine and the UAV that would use it? wake up that kind of news only internal comsumption for iranians. Turkey uses its own engines. actually iran needs to find engine for its drones because you guys still use Rotax.

lastly dont believe everything on internet, Turkey purchased 10 heron form israel 10 years ago. The drones were accepted after serious evaluations. after Mavi marmara crises israel was hesitate to perform maintenance jobs and spares thats all.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

that is IRGC NASER class boats its It is 33 meters long and 8 meters wide its speed is more than 27 nodes 50 km / h its capable of carrying 86 passengers, carrying 35 tons of cargo and the capability of mounting a variety of weapons on board, it has four engines 135 hp and it has 1500 km range.

The Vessel Mithridates is asking about is different from the Naser. Its superstructure is different and its overall length is greater than the Naser as well.