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Iranian naval threat to US interests

Mosa, you're a fanatic of the highest order
do you srsly believe in all that bs?

You guys are trying to build your economy? Is that way you've averaged a lower growth over the past 15 years than Iran even though you export FOUR TIMES MORE OIL and Iran is UNDER SANCTIONS!!!

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wtf are you talking about Mosa? Seriously.

99 percent of the suicide bombers are saudi
9/11 members were saudi
osama was saudi
All these maderasas around the region are funded directly by your govt
you have invaded bahrain
who's exporting their fanatical racist ideoligy? Iran or you guys?
have some shame man.

You and this stupid graph again I already shut you up once and I will do it again so here you go:

Saudi Arabia GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance

Iran GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance

So it is clear who is having a better growth. He brought a propaganda brain washing graph but in reality their growth is a lie because ONE: Look at the inflation rate. Sure if they print more money it will look like that had a better growth but that is not real growth their inflation is above 20%. TWO GDP is less than half of that of Saudi Arabia one must also factor that Iran has 70 Million people and Saudi Arabia only 21 Million.
 
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There is a difference between a 'threat' and whether or not that 'threat' can be dealt with some ways. If a man pulls a knife on a police officer who is armed with a pistol, the man is very much a 'threat' to the officer, but the officer can deal with him more effectively with a gun than he could with his bare hands. Despite the bluster of the Iranian members here, the Iranian navy can be dealt with very very effectively by the USN.

Fact and evidence does not support your statement. US also has a very advanced army but so far has not been able to win a war against troglodytes in Afghanistan. The same is with the navy. Infact experimental evidence in the form of the largest military exercise in human history proves that US has not clear advantage over Iran in naval matters whatsoever. Also read these which are vital to understand how Iran's power works:

Eric Margolis



The War Nerd: This Is How the Carriers Will Die (Updated Version) - By Gary Brecher - The eXiled
 
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Yup i can see why their scared
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Go play with your kangaroos and stop talking $hit.

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The most powerful Navy of all time

WOW! how stupid can some people get....do you really not understand what he is trying to say.

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Are you friggin joking. Iran does not have a NAVY, It has a COAST GUARD. Infact , the US Coast Guard is better equipped than Iranian so-called Navy. You can't call a bunch of missile boats a Navy. Iran has no destroyers or even decent size Submarines. The Iranian midget submarines are a joke. Please dont make me laugh.

Read the article first and then you will realize its saying Iran navy is going to become powerful... seriously what an imbecile..

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Camels huh?? Don't let my hump distract you when your entire navy is in flames lol.

I hate saying things against Iran but comments like these just force my hand. With our airforce alone your entire navy will be nothing but scrap metal.


You doont have an airforce, its all controlled by the usa. Iran will R@ape your country in minutes. what a joke.
 
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All that glitters is not gold. The best technology is the one which wins the war not the one which costs most. Here is some injection of truth to this thread:


The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome
Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile


Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile
The Weapon That Could
Defeat The US In The Gulf
By Mark Gaffney
11-2-4

A word to the reader: The following paper is so shocking that, after preparing the initial draft, I didn't want to believe it myself, and resolved to disprove it with more research. However, I only succeeded in turning up more evidence in support of my thesis. And I repeated this cycle of discovery and denial several more times before finally deciding to go with the article. I believe that a serious writer must follow the trail of evidence, no matter where it leads, and report back. So here is my story. Don't be surprised if it causes you to squirm. Its purpose is not to make predictions history makes fools of those who claim to know the future but simply to describe the peril that awaits us in the Persian Gulf. By awakening to the extent of that danger, perhaps we can still find a way to save our nation and the world from disaster. If we are very lucky, we might even create an alternative future that holds some promise of resolving the monumental conflicts of our time. --MG

Last July, they dubbed it operation Summer Pulse: a simultaneous mustering of US Naval forces, world wide, that was unprecedented. According to the Navy, it was the first exercise of its new Fleet Response Plan (FRP), the purpose of which was to enable the Navy to respond quickly to an international crisis. The Navy wanted to show its increased force readiness, that is, its capacity to rapidly move combat power to any global hot spot. Never in the history of the US Navy had so many carrier battle groups been involved in a single operation. Even the US fleet massed in the Gulf and eastern Mediterranean during operation Desert Storm in 1991, and in the recent invasion of Iraq, never exceeded six battle groups. But last July and August there were seven of them on the move, each battle group consisting of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with its full complement of 7-8 supporting ships, and 70 or more assorted aircraft. Most of the activity, according to various reports, was in the Pacific, where the fleet participated in joint exercises with the Taiwanese navy.

But why so much naval power underway at the same time? What potential world crisis could possibly require more battle groups than were deployed during the recent invasion of Iraq? In past years, when the US has seen fit to "show the flag" or flex its naval muscle, one or two carrier groups have sufficed. Why this global show of power? The news headlines about the joint-maneuvers in the South China Sea read: "Saber Rattling Unnerves China", and: "Huge Show of Force Worries Chinese." But the reality was quite different, and, as we shall see, has grave ramifications for the continuing US military presence in the Persian Gulf; because operation Summer Pulse reflected a high-level Pentagon decision that an unprecedented show of strength was needed to counter what is viewed as a growing threat in the particular case of China, because of Peking's newest Sovremenny-class destroyers recently acquired from Russia.

"Nonsense!" you are probably thinking. That's impossible. How could a few picayune destroyers threaten the US Pacific fleet?" Here is where the story thickens: Summer Pulse amounted to a tacit acknowledgement, obvious to anyone paying attention, that the United States has been eclipsed in an important area of military technology, and that this qualitative edge is now being wielded by others, including the Chinese; because those otherwise very ordinary destroyers were, in fact, launching platforms for Russian-made 3M-82 Moskit anti-ship cruise missiles (NATO designation: SS-N-22 Sunburn), a weapon for which the US Navy currently has no defense. Here I am not suggesting that the US status of lone world Superpower has been surpassed. I am simply saying that a new global balance of power is emerging, in which other individual states may, on occasion, achieve "an asymmetric advantage" over the US. And this, in my view, explains the immense scale of Summer Pulse. The US show last summer of overwhelming strength was calculated to send a message.

The Sunburn Missile

I was shocked when I learned the facts about these Russian-made cruise missiles. The problem is that so many of us suffer from two common misperceptions. The first follows from our assumption that Russia is militarily weak, as a result of the breakup of the old Soviet system. Actually, this is accurate, but it does not reflect the complexities. Although the Russian navy continues to rust in port, and the Russian army is in disarray, in certain key areas Russian technology is actually superior to our own. And nowhere is this truer than in the vital area of anti-ship cruise missile technology, where the Russians hold at least a ten-year lead over the US. The second misperception has to do with our complacency in general about missiles-as-weapons probably attributable to the pathetic performance of Saddam Hussein's Scuds during the first Gulf war: a dangerous illusion that I will now attempt to rectify.

Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses. The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called "the most lethal missile in the world today."

After the collapse of the Soviet Union the old military establishment fell upon hard times. But in the late1990s Moscow awakened to the under-utilized potential of its missile technology to generate desperately needed foreign exchange. A decision was made to resuscitate selected programs, and, very soon, Russian missile technology became a hot export commodity. Today, Russian missiles are a growth industry generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran. In the near future this dissemination of advanced technology is likely to present serious challenges to the US. Some have even warned that the US Navy's largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps, and should for this reason be mothballed.

The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles. The radar also "saw" the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors.

The 1987 surprise attack on the Stark exemplifies the dangers posed by anti-ship cruise missiles. And the dangers are much more serious in the case of the Sunburn, whose specs leave the sub-sonic Exocet in the dust. Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system. Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an order for an undisclosed number of the missiles.

The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder "just in time."

The Sunburn's combined supersonic speed and payload size produce tremendous kinetic energy on impact, with devastating consequences for ship and crew. A single one of these missiles can sink a large warship, yet costs considerably less than a fighter jet. Although the Navy has been phasing out the older Phalanx defense system, its replacement, known as the Rolling Action Missile (RAM) has never been tested against the weapon it seems destined to one day face in combat. Implications For US Forces in the Gulf

The US Navy's only plausible defense against a robust weapon like the Sunburn missile is to detect the enemy's approach well ahead of time, whether destroyers, subs, or fighter-bombers, and defeat them before they can get in range and launch their deadly cargo. For this purpose US AWACs radar planes assigned to each naval battle group are kept aloft on a rotating schedule. The planes "see" everything within two hundred miles of the fleet, and are complemented with intelligence from orbiting satellites.

But US naval commanders operating in the Persian Gulf face serious challenges that are unique to the littoral, i.e., coastal, environment. A glance at a map shows why: The Gulf is nothing but a large lake, with one narrow outlet, and most of its northern shore, i.e., Iran, consists of mountainous terrain that affords a commanding tactical advantage over ships operating in Gulf waters. The rugged northern shore makes for easy concealment of coastal defenses, such as mobile missile launchers, and also makes their detection problematic. Although it was not widely reported, the US actually lost the battle of the Scuds in the first Gulf War termed "the great Scud hunt" and for similar reasons.

Saddam Hussein's mobile Scud launchers proved so difficult to detect and destroy over and over again the Iraqis fooled allied reconnaissance with decoys that during the course of Desert Storm the US was unable to confirm even a single kill. This proved such an embarrassment to the Pentagon, afterwards, that the unpleasant stats were buried in official reports. But the blunt fact is that the US failed to stop the Scud attacks. The launches continued until the last few days of the conflict. Luckily, the Scud's inaccuracy made it an almost useless weapon. At one point General Norman Schwarzkopf quipped dismissively to the press that his soldiers had a greater chance of being struck by lightning in Georgia than by a Scud in Kuwait.

But that was then, and it would be a grave error to allow the Scud's ineffectiveness to blur the facts concerning this other missile. The Sunburn's amazing accuracy was demonstrated not long ago in a live test staged at sea by the Chinese and observed by US spy planes. Not only did the Sunburn missile destroy the dummy target ship, it scored a perfect bull's eye, hitting the crosshairs of a large "X" mounted on the ship's bridge. The only word that does it justice, awesome, has become a cliché, hackneyed from hyperbolic excess.

The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US weapons that many observers think are intended for use against Iran.

The arming for war has been matched by threats. Israeli officials have declared repeatedly that they will not allow the Mullahs to develop nuclear power, not even reactors to generate electricity for peaceful use. Their threats are particularly worrisome, because Israel has a long history of pre-emptive war. (See my 1989 book Dimona: the Third Temple? and also my 2003 article Will Iran Be Next? posted at WILL IRAN BE NEXT? )

Never mind that such a determination is not Israel's to make, and belongs instead to the international community, as codified in the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). With regard to Iran, the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA's) recent report (September 2004) is well worth a look, as it repudiates facile claims by the US and Israel that Iran is building bombs. While the report is highly critical of Tehran for its ambiguities and its grudging release of documents, it affirms that IAEA inspectors have been admitted to every nuclear site in the country to which they have sought access, without exception. Last year Iran signed the strengthened IAEA inspection protocol, which until then had been voluntary. And the IAEA has found no hard evidence, to date, either that bombs exist or that Iran has made a decision to build them.

(The latest IAEA report can be downloaded at: GlobalSecurity.org - Reliable Security Information)

In a talk on October 3, 2004, IAEA Director General Mohamed El Baradei made the clearest statement yet: "Iran has no nuclear weapons program", he said, and then repeated himself for emphasis: "Iran has no nuclear weapons program, but I personally don't rush to conclusions before all the realities are clarified. So far I see nothing that could be called an imminent danger. I have seen no nuclear weapons program in Iran. What I have seen is that Iran is trying to gain access to nuclear enrichment technology, and so far there is no danger from Iran. Therefore, we should make use of political and diplomatic means before thinking of resorting to other alternatives."

No one disputes that Tehran is pursuing a dangerous path, but with 200 or more Israeli nukes targeted upon them the Iranians' insistence on keeping their options open is understandable. Clearly, the nuclear nonproliferation regime today hangs by the slenderest of threads. The world has arrived at a fateful crossroads.

A Fearful Symmetry?

If a showdown over Iran develops in the coming months, the man who could hold the outcome in his hands will be thrust upon the world stage. That man, like him or hate him, is Russian President Vladimir Putin. He has been castigated severely in recent months for gathering too much political power to himself. But according to former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who was interviewed on US television recently by David Brokaw, Putin has not imposed a tyranny upon Russia yet. Gorbachev thinks the jury is still out on Putin.

Perhaps, with this in mind, we should be asking whether Vladimir Putin is a serious student of history. If he is, then he surely recognizes that the deepening crisis in the Persian Gulf presents not only manifold dangers, but also opportunities. Be assured that the Russian leader has not forgotten the humiliating defeat Ronald Reagan inflicted upon the old Soviet state. (Have we Americans forgotten?) By the mid-1980s the Soviets were in Kabul, and had all but defeated the Mujahedeen. The Soviet Union appeared secure in its military occupation of Afghanistan. But then, in 1986, the first US Stinger missiles reached the hands of the Afghani resistance; and, quite suddenly, Soviet helicopter gunships and MiGs began dropping out of the skies like flaming stones. The tide swiftly turned, and by 1989 it was all over but the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth in the Kremlin. Defeated, the Soviets slunk back across the frontier. The whole world cheered the American Stingers, which had carried the day.

This very night, as he sips his cognac, what is Vladimir Putin thinking? Is he perhaps thinking about the perverse symmetries of history? If so, he may also be wondering (and discussing with his closest aides) how a truly great nation like the United States could be so blind and so stupid as to allow another state, i.e., Israel, to control its foreign policy, especially in a region as vital (and volatile) as the Mid-East.

One can almost hear the Russians' animated conversation:

"The Americans! What is the matter with them?" "They simply cannot help themselves."

"What idiots!"

"A nation as foolish as this deserves to be taught a lesson"

"Yes! For their own good."

"It must be a painful lesson, one they will never forget. "Are we agreed, then, comrades?"

"Let us teach our American friends a lesson about the limits of military power..."

Does anyone really believe that Vladimir Putin will hesitate to seize a most rare opportunity to change the course of history and, in the bargain, take his sweet revenge? Surely Putin understands the terrible dimensions of the trap into which the US has blundered, thanks to the Israelis and their neo-con supporters in Washington who lobbied so vociferously for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, against all friendly and expert advice, and who even now beat the drums of war against Iran. Would Putin be wrong to conclude that the US will never leave the region unless it is first defeated militarily? Should we blame him for deciding that Iran is "one bridge too far"?

If the US and Israel overreach, and the Iranians close the net with Russian anti-ship missiles, it will be a fearful symmetry, indeed.

Springing the Trap

At the battle of Cannae in 216 BC, the great Carthaginian general, Hannibal, tempted a much larger Roman army into a fateful advance, and then enveloped and annihilated it with a smaller force. Out of a Roman army of 70,000 men, no more than a few thousand escaped. It was said that after many hours of dispatching the Romans, Hannibal's soldiers grew so tired that the fight went out of them. In their weariness they granted the last broken and bedraggled Romans their lives.

Let us pray that the US sailors who are unlucky enough to be on duty in the Persian Gulf when the shooting starts can escape the fate of the Roman army at Cannae. The odds will be heavily against them, however, because they will face the same type of danger, tantamount to envelopment. The US ships in the Gulf will already have come within range of the Sunburn missiles and the even more-advanced SS-NX-26 Yakhonts missiles, also Russian-made (speed: Mach 2.9; range: 180 miles) deployed by the Iranians along the Gulf's northern shore. Every US ship will be exposed and vulnerable. When the Iranians spring the trap, the entire lake will become a killing field.

Anti-ship cruise missiles are not new, as I've mentioned. Nor have they yet determined the outcome in a conflict. But this is probably only because these horrible weapons have never been deployed in sufficient numbers. At the time of the Falklands war the Argentine air force possessed only five Exocets, yet managed to sink two ships. With enough of them, the Argentineans might have sunk the entire British fleet, and won the war. Although we've never seen a massed attack of cruise missiles, this is exactly what the US Navy could face in the next war in the Gulf.

Try and imagine it if you can: barrage after barrage of Exocet-class missiles, which the Iranians are known to possess in the hundreds, as well as the unstoppable Sunburn and Yakhonts missiles. The questions that our purblind government leaders should be asking themselves, today, if they value what historians will one day write about them, are two: how many of the Russian anti-ship missiles has Putin already supplied to Iran? And: How many more are currently in the pipeline?

In 2001, Jane's Defense Weekly reported that Iran was attempting to acquire anti-ship missiles from Russia. Ominously, the same report also mentioned that the more advanced Yakhonts missile was "optimized for attacks against carrier task forces." Apparently its guidance system is "able to distinguish an aircraft carrier from its escorts." The numbers were not disclosed.

The US Navy will come under fire even if the US does not participate in the first so-called surgical raids on Iran's nuclear sites, that is, even if Israel goes it alone. Israel's brand-new fleet of 25 F-15s (paid for by American taxpayers) has sufficient range to target Iran, but the Israelis cannot mount an attack without crossing US-occupied Iraqi air space. It will hardly matter if Washington gives the green light, or is dragged into the conflict by a recalcitrant Israel. Either way, the result will be the same. The Iranians will interpret US acquiescence as complicity, and, in any event, they will understand that the real fight is with the Americans. The Iranians will be entirely within their rights to counter-attack in self-defense. Most of the world will see it this way, and will support them, not America. The US and Israel will be viewed as the aggressors, even as the unfortunate US sailors in harm's way become cannon fodder. In the Gulf's shallow and confined waters evasive maneuvers will be difficult, at best, and escape impossible. Even if US planes control of the skies over the battlefield, the sailors caught in the net below will be hard-pressed to survive. The Gulf will run red with American blood.

From here, it only gets worse. Armed with their Russian-supplied cruise missiles, the Iranians will close the lake's only outlet, the strategic Strait of Hormuz, cutting off the trapped and dying Americans from help and rescue. The US fleet massing in the Indian Ocean will stand by helplessly, unable to enter the Gulf to assist the survivors or bring logistical support to the other US forces on duty in Iraq. Couple this with a major new ground offensive by the Iraqi insurgents, and, quite suddenly, the tables could turn against the Americans in Baghdad. As supplies and ammunition begin to run out, the status of US forces in the region will become precarious. The occupiers will become the besieged.

With enough anti-ship missiles, the Iranians can halt tanker traffic through Hormuz for weeks, even months. With the flow of oil from the Gulf curtailed, the price of a barrel of crude will skyrocket on the world market. Within days the global economy will begin to grind to a halt. Tempers at an emergency round-the-clock session of the UN Security Council will flare and likely explode into shouting and recriminations as French, German, Chinese and even British ambassadors angrily accuse the US of allowing Israel to threaten world order. But, as always, because of the US veto the world body will be powerless to act... America will stand alone, completely isolated.

Yet, despite the increasingly hostile international mood, elements of the US media will spin the crisis very differently here at home, in a way that is sympathetic to Israel. Members of Congress will rise to speak in the House and Senate, and rally to Israel's defense, while blaming the victim of the attack, Iran. Fundamentalist Christian talk show hosts will proclaim the historic fulfillment of biblical prophecy in our time, and will call upon the Jews of Israel to accept Jesus into their hearts; meanwhile, urging the president to nuke the evil empire of Islam. From across America will be heard histrionic cries for fresh reinforcements, even a military draft. Patriots will demand victory at any cost. Pundits will scream for an escalation of the conflict.

A war that ostensibly began as an attempt to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons will teeter on the brink of their use.

Conclusion

Friends, we must work together to prevent such a catastrophe. We must stop the next Middle East war before it starts. The US government must turn over to the United Nations the primary responsibility for resolving the deepening crisis in Iraq, and, immediately thereafter, withdraw US forces from the country. We must also prevail upon the Israelis to sign the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and open all of their nuclear sites to IAEA inspectors. Only then can serious talks begin with Iran and other states to establish a nuclear weapon free zone (NWFZ) in the Mid East so essential to the region's long-term peace and security. 10/26/04 "ICH"

*Mark Gaffney's first book, Dimona the Third Temple? (1989), was a pioneering study of Israel's nuclear weapons program. He has since published numerous important articles about the Mid-East with emphasis on nuclear proliferation issues.

The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile
 
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Longbrained- by the time anyone reads that they would die of old age.
anyway i dont see how usa does not have any defense against the sunburn... would you please explain.
 
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Longbrained- by the time anyone reads that they would die of old age.
anyway i dont see how usa does not have any defense against the sunburn... would you please explain.

For that you have to read. You wrote somewhere you are 18, so I do not think you would grow old by reading it unless if you have a short life. Basically sunburn moves just a few meters above surface at supersonic speed so detecting it while it constantly maneuvering is extremely difficult. Actually any anti-ship missile is deadly specially if they are being fired in swarms from multiple points, and they cost a fraction of the target so even if hundreds are to be fired towards a target still they are economical. At least one will get through eventually from hundreds fired. But history shows that hit usually is achieved on the first attempt, second attempt hits are very rare in real combat.
 
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What they need to do is start implementing permament bans. It would go a long ways in cleaning up these boards. Currently most offenders know they will only get a temporary ban. And even have bragged about having the most bans.

Are you not that "broad" that was trolling so many times on some other Iranian threads? you and mosamania alway try and take the pi$$ but when we do it then that makes us bad does it. what a looser.
 
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For that you have to read. You wrote somewhere you are 18, so I do not think you would grow old by reading it unless if you have a short life. Basically sunburn moves just a few meters above surface at supersonic speed so detecting it while it constantly maneuvering is extremely difficult. Actually any anti-ship missile is deadly specially if they are being fired in swarms from multiple points, and they cost a fraction of the target so even if hundreds are to be fired towards a target still they are economical. At least one will get through eventually from hundreds fired. But history shows that hit usually is achieved on the first attempt, second attempt hits are very rare in real combat.

What do you think of that qader missile Iran made recently? iran is going to make zafar missiles soon.
also i have problems when i read alot of info, i cannot scan read, i am not lazy, its just that for me to read that and make it sink in i have to read it many times. i been told i have dyslexia but i dont have any problems writing. its very weird.
 
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Are you friggin joking. Iran does not have a NAVY, It has a COAST GUARD. Infact , the US Coast Guard is better equipped than Iranian so-called Navy. You can't call a bunch of missile boats a Navy. Iran has no destroyers or even decent size Submarines. The Iranian midget submarines are a joke. Please dont make me laugh.
Iran has a navy (or two, if we separate them like its done in the article), just with different tactics in mind. Its definitely not a caliber of US, therefore Iran is taking a smart route IMO:

1. US is building massive carries, who are awesome if they arent under attack... what if they are? As shown in 2002 exercise, they are very vulnerable to Iran's tactics, and latest defensive advancements only alleviates the issue, not solves it. Tens of millions worth of various missiles can sink a carrier worth of a billion.

2. Iran instead of going massive ships route (which you think would be a sign of REAL navy), is going for small/medium, and very fast ships and boats. Why? Because big ships are easy to sink, especially for an army like US. Its only 100% logical to build a mass fleet of "mosquitoes" with advanced missiles on board. Thats the only way for country like Iran to have any chance in the potential war with US or a whole NATO.

If the war starts, IMO what US NAVY would do - stay away from Persian Gulf, as they arent stupid and know whats coming. With air strikes US would sink Iran's bigger warships, and thats all they can do. US Navy wont show up until they're reasonably safe, i.e. after a long war with Iran, and still encounter casualties. Thats why regardless how much superior US Navy is, its impact would be minimal in a potential war vs Iran.
 
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What do you think of that qader missile Iran made recently? iran is going to make zafar missiles soon.
also i have problems when i read alot of info, i cannot scan read, i am not lazy, its just that for me to read that and make it sink in i have to read it many times. i been told i have dyslexia but i dont have any problems writing. its very weird.

Oh, ok. Maybe it is no dyslexia at all, maybe it is because of lack of concentration due to ADD. Very effective treatment with Ritalin exists. Anyways, it is not important. I do not know exactly about Iranian missiles, but Iran can claim to be among the very few countries in the world whose missiles have been used successfully in real combat. One Iranian missile even took an Israeli corvette, the most sophisticated corvette in the world and the largest in Israeli navy. It hit on first attempt and in a war zone during a ongoing war.

Of course the incidence was so humiliating for Israel that they claimed that the ships radars and defensive equipment had been tuned off to save cost. But it was a lie. Ships never turn off their defenses even in peace time and this Israeli ship was actually in a war zone implemented by Israel itself as at the time the ship was part of a force to siege Lebanon's coasts. Iranian missiles might not be the most fancy out there but still it show they are effective and lethal. That is what is important. And as the article says, Iranian coast line on Persian Gulf is mountainous and this is to advantage of Iran since they can house missiles in mountains and fire it on ships in Persian Gulf from the safe cover of mountains.
 
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Iran has a navy (or two, if we separate them like its done in the article), just with different tactics in mind. Its definitely not a caliber of US, therefore Iran is taking a smart route IMO:

1. US is building massive carries, who are awesome if they arent under attack... what if they are? As shown in 2002 exercise, they are very vulnerable to Iran's tactics, and latest defensive advancements only alleviates the issue, not solves it. Tens of millions worth of various missiles can sink a carrier worth of a billion.

2. Iran instead of going massive ships route (which you think would be a sign of REAL navy), is going for small/medium, and very fast ships and boats. Why? Because big ships are easy to sink, especially for an army like US. Its only 100% logical to build a mass fleet of "mosquitoes" with advanced missiles on board. Thats the only way for country like Iran to have any chance in the potential war with US or a whole NATO.

If the war starts, IMO what US NAVY would do - stay away from Persian Gulf, as they arent stupid and know whats coming. With air strikes US would sink Iran's bigger warships, and thats all they can do. US Navy wont show up until they're reasonably safe, i.e. after a long war with Iran, and still encounter casualties. Thats why regardless how much superior US Navy is, its impact would be minimal in a potential war vs Iran.

This is exactly what general population does not understand. The bigger and the fancier is not always the better. War is about economics. If a nation invests just 1 billion dollars in anti-ship missiles and another nation invests 100 billion dollars on ships, the one with anti-ship missile has won already even without a war since they have spent far less without bankrupting themselves and having to borrow from Chinese to build more ships in order to scare Chinese standing there with missiles. You can not scare the guy who is paying for your dildoos. Iran knows this very well. Infact Iranian naval chief had said it last year that he considers American air craft carriers as big bath tubs. He is right, they are just sitting bath tubs waiting to be sunk.
 
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Fact and evidence does not support your statement. US also has a very advanced army but so far has not been able to win a war against troglodytes in Afghanistan.
Facts and evidences do support my arguments. There are many stages in a war and the FIRST stage of any war is towards gaining superiority over the enemy's formalized armed forces. In Afghanistan, for US, that was done with air power and small contingents of Special Ops forces. But because the US expanded the POLITICAL goals of the war in Afghanistan, that expansion inevitably created later stages of the war that involved forces -- military and political -- that we may or may not have controls or influences and that difficulties created by these factors give people the rhetorical ammunition to criticize US. If we wanted to, we could have just left Afghanistan after we punished the Taliban and call it good.

The same is with the navy. Infact experimental evidence in the form of the largest military exercise in human history proves that US has not clear advantage over Iran in naval matters whatsoever.
:lol: Sooner or later someone is going to expose his ignorance by bringing up this exercise. Here is why you are ignorant about it: You have no military experience.

Anyone who has been through a few 'war games' understand that force disparity and physical limitations that compelled creative tactics works both ways. The reason why Van Riper succeeded was because he was ALREADY intimate with how US forces would be arrayed and used. Ignorant people like you mistakenly believe that ONLY the technologically inferior side has a monopoly on creativity. War games are designed to expose intellectual locks, encourage creativity, and advance the people who succeeded in both. The closer to an actual battle the war game, the greater the stress upon those intellectual locks and the greater the need for creative tactics to replace what was discarded. This begs the question of how close to an actual battle can one get. The answer is: It depends on how much war/combat experiences you have and how technologically advanced you are to simulate the conditions you know from those war/combat experiences.

So for you to say that the USN has no clear advantage over the Iranian navy 'whatsoever' make you guilty of the same intellectual locks and lack of creativity that our exercises intends to expose. We learned more from the Millennium Challenge than the Iranian navy can actually simulate and explore its own limitations. We can see the lessons of Desert Storm remain ignored.

:lol: The DF-21 again? I have exposed its weaknesses many times over. Look up those discussions.
 
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Gambit :

You dont fool anyone, take your BS elsewhere. you can fool americans with this nonsense but dont come here and try to act like a smart @$$.
why do you try and insult long brained by calling him short brained, i am sure he is very hurt.
 
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This is exactly what general population does not understand. The bigger and the fancier is not always the better. War is about economics. If a nation invests just 1 billion dollars in anti-ship missiles and another nation invests 100 billion dollars on ships, the one with anti-ship missile has won already even without a war since they have spent far less without bankrupting themselves and having to borrow from Chinese to build more ships in order to scare Chinese standing there with missiles. You can not scare the guy who is paying for your dildoos. Iran knows this very well. Infact Iranian naval chief had said it last year that he considers American air craft carriers as big bath tubs. He is right, they are just sitting bath tubs waiting to be sunk.
That is funny. Then why is Iran seemingly created more advanced weapons BY THE MONTH ? :lol:

For US, what is 'bigger' does not necessary confined to size alone. Check this out...

b-2_jdam_obvra_runway.jpg


Notice the very important comment: '...achieve the effects of mass without having to mass...'

That is what 'bigger' and 'fancier' is for US: To achieve an effect with far less effort than previously required.

A single B-2 can do many things to the Iranian navy: Decapitate its command structure. Disrupt its array. Limit its mobility. And many more...

The tactical implications of the above photo are serious for the defense. But I do not expect you to see and understand them.
 
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That is funny. Then why is Iran seemingly created more advanced weapons BY THE MONTH ? :lol:

For US, what is 'bigger' does not necessary confined to size alone. Check this out...

b-2_jdam_obvra_runway.jpg


Notice the very important comment: '...achieve the effects of mass without having to mass...'

That is what 'bigger' and 'fancier' is for US: To achieve an effect with far less effort than previously required.

A single B-2 can do many things to the Iranian navy: Decapitate its command structure. Disrupt its array. Limit its mobility. And many more...

The tactical implications of the above photo are serious for the defense. But I do not expect you to see and understand them.

What fancy weapons? if you're so strong then go ahead and attack them. your leader pi$$ their pants when they think about the idea if attacking Iran. you got your ***** kicked in many wars and your still talking like your some superpower, stop watching hollywood films and wake up.
 
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