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[scythian500]

The major nuclear powers of the world have air dropped nuclear bombs, cruise missiles armed with nukes, torpedo nukes, Air to Air nukes, nuclear artillery,..... & nuclear powered BM's so if ever U.S. fires cruise missiles at us or deploys bombers against us we wouldn't know if they have nukes on them or not until they hit so why should Iranian BM be any different?

good point

 

[PeeD]

@VEVAK

Now what if Iran is attack and Iran responds with conventional missiles and yet the retaliation to Iran's response is a nuclear attack? What then?

I'm not saying nukes are a necessity for Iran but worst case and at the very least we need to have the equipment ready at a safe location to build them in a very short timespan so if ever a single nuke drops on Iran we can retaliate in kind in under a week so it never happens again!

This is the key to this issue: Yes Irans nuclear weapon break-out infrastructure and potential must be nuclear-blast-proof to let this concept work. Furthermore Irans delivery method must be nuclear blast proof or highly survivable (outlined in detail here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran-and-conventional-counter-force.601382/ ).
Plus (and this is what we see Iran is doing): Irans nuclear warhead design should be autonomous and not depended on nuclear isotope based neutron generators or booster gases.

The good news is that points are fullfilled by Iran:
- Nuclear-blast-proof weaponization at mountain facilities in Parchin. Plus the compact Soviet thermonuclear design which the Koreans tested.
- Nuclear-blast-proof Fissile material production at Fordow. Plus a centrifuge generation is coming with a SWU capability that enables fissile material for an significant arsenal within days.
- Nuclear reactor independent warhead design: A key requirement since otherwise a underground nuclear reactor would be necessary something a latent nuclear power is not allowed.

Irans leader plus Zarifs capability have got Iran exactly all these key capabilities in a legitimized way.
Japans latent capability is not survivable, Irans will be.

Hence a MAD scenario is created: The high survivability of Irans future strategic potential can't be neutralized with confidence. No confidence of stopping an even limited nuclear retaliation means --> you won't use nukes. MAD mechanism is created.
Iran would be the only country in the world with just a latent nuclear capability but MAD concept applied.

Nuclear safeguards would also confirm that Irans conventional ICBM arsenal is not yet tipped with nuclear warheads --> enabling their global conventional use --> giving Iran a unprecedented global force projection potential --> confirming Salamis statement of a world military power.

Also if the U.S. continues to equip the Saudi's with nuclear tech that will lead to a Saudi Nuke then we really don't have a choice because Iran simply can't afford to be a none nuclear state that's surrounded by nuclear powers from every side

Agreed, the Saudis could become a problem here. However it all depends on China and Pakistan. Plus their fissile weapon designs have no thermonuclear potential.
Iran could reach a conventional power level in which any future Saudi nuclear strike could be taken out pre-preemptiv, even just using conventional means.
We should hope that the U.S/China don't want to create a nuclear proxy against Iran with Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately things go in that direction.

The major nuclear powers of the world have air dropped nuclear bombs, cruise missiles armed with nukes, torpedo nukes, Air to Air nukes, nuclear artillery,..... & nuclear powered BM's so if ever U.S. fires cruise missiles at us or deploys bombers against us we wouldn't know if they have nukes on them or not until they hit so why should Iranian BM be any different?

As mentioned its the IAEA safeguards that will assure that there has been no break-out. This is the insurance for the use of the conventional ICBM arsenal. The U.S won't use nukes because they would be aware of Irans survivable latent nuclear potential --> can't take that retaliation risk.

And I believe the argument that no one would use a none nuclear ICBM were for the day's the accuracy to take out targets with high accuracy didn't exist and that argument will continue to fade as the tech to make the projectiles smaller and more accurate

If for example a $10 Million USD Iranian ICBM armed with decoys and 10 highly accurate MIRV with a CEP of 10 meters and ability to take out 10 fortified aircraft bunkers up to 10,000km away I'd say that's well worth the cost
same with a larger diameter $40 Million USD missile carrying 40 conventional MIRV even it it's for targets within 3,000km I would still say it would be well worth it without nukes as long as you have the accuracy to allow you to use larger number of lighter projectiles to take out bunkers and yes compared to a nuke the structural damage and death toll may not be so significant but for Iran the real prize is the military assets not the death toll or structural damage

Yes accuracy was the issue plus the fact that the risk of a thermonuclear tipped RV among those launched. Remember that all powers with ICBMs are automatically also nuclear ones and Iran would be the only safeguarded latent nuclear power.
Maybe in future a yet unknown, widespread used nuclear warhead detection sensor could enable the use of conventional ICBMs for established nuclear powers. Avantgard like hypersonic weapons will make the issue more complicated as they can simply change their attack vector towards another opponent.
Trident D5 had a <90m CEP accuracy, but could never be used conventionally for those reasons.

Cost-wise it is worth it, especially because of cost-efficient and innovative IRGC-ASF design school.
The calculation is clear: Iran has created the Sedjil for <=400k USD, upscale that to a heavy ICBM and you won't go above a 5x or 10x multiplicator.
Then calculate a MRV/MIRV throw weight potential and a arsenal for 2025 or so.

Alone 4 MaRV warheads for each missile and a small arsenal of 100 missiles would mean ~400 critical/high priority targets taken out, at will...

@Sineva

The survivability requirements for such a latent nuclear arsenal would be enormous. I outlined the benefits Irans missile-city concept brings in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran-and-conventional-counter-force.601382/

Irans latent capability means that its delivery potential must remain intact against a massive strike of strategic nuclear warheads. Rail basing would not reliably enable this.

It is superior to rail basing but I agree that this is also a good option for heavier ICBMs. Iran can make best use of its rugged topography.


Disclaimer: What I say here are no secrets anymore. Netanyahu and later Trump realized that Irans nuclear deal is engineered to enable exactly this latent nuclear capability. They are perfectly aware about the points I wrote here and that's why Trump had no other option than to leave the deal.
History may remember Zarif as the man who enabled Irans survivable latent nuclear capability that in turn enabled Iran a superpower-level, global force projection capability via conventional ICBMs.
Obama gave Iran that nuclear deal and Trump could be the man that enabled that legitimized (due to threatening) conventional ICBM capability.
Use the "opportunities created by enemy actions" concept.
This is a good display of the amazing capability of Iranian strategic decision making.

 

[Sineva]

Heres what the eurovassals consider to be a "Roadmap to pragmatic dialogue on the iranian missile program"
If anyone thinks that continuing negotiating with the eurovassals is still a good idea after reading this then they must be deluded.
https://www.europeanleadershipnetwo...n-Hinz-ELN-Iran-Missile-Policy-March-2019.pdf

I`d also check out Amirs blog for a good riposte to this so called "pragmatic dialogue" by the eurovassals
https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2019/03/why-iranian-missiles-are-non-negotiable.html

 

[Draco.IMF]

TOOPHAN 3M

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"Missile Molecule Missile Test # M Model M presented at Baghdad International Defense Exhibition 2011

The ATTAC missile is equipped with an explosion mechanism above the target, which launches a killing-type warhead on target at the top of the target.

The Hurricane-3 rocket was unveiled in recent years, but the M-model of the missile was unveiled at the Tehran's Mosalla Defense Exhibit last month, and it's unclear exactly what upgrades the missile was running on.

The missile is guided by a command type to the top of the wired wire line.

The purpose of detecting the target is through electromagnetic sensors in the rocket nose. These sensors are sensitive to metal masses, which are in fact the same armored or automotive equipment, and send a bomber command to the bunker when approaching the metal mass.

It also adjusts the rocket altitude through the nose laser sensor."

 

[skyshadow]

TOOPHAN 3M

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"Missile Molecule Missile Test # M Model M presented at Baghdad International Defense Exhibition 2011

The ATTAC missile is equipped with an explosion mechanism above the target, which launches a killing-type warhead on target at the top of the target.

The Hurricane-3 rocket was unveiled in recent years, but the M-model of the missile was unveiled at the Tehran's Mosalla Defense Exhibit last month, and it's unclear exactly what upgrades the missile was running on.

The missile is guided by a command type to the top of the wired wire line.

The purpose of detecting the target is through electromagnetic sensors in the rocket nose. These sensors are sensitive to metal masses, which are in fact the same armored or automotive equipment, and send a bomber command to the bunker when approaching the metal mass.

It also adjusts the rocket altitude through the nose laser sensor."

you just google translate it all the way.

 

[Sineva]

you just google translate it all the way.

Yes,you sometimes almost need a translator to translate the translation.

 

[skyshadow]

TOOPHAN 3M

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"Missile Molecule Missile Test # M Model M presented at Baghdad International Defense Exhibition 2011

The ATTAC missile is equipped with an explosion mechanism above the target, which launches a killing-type warhead on target at the top of the target.

The Hurricane-3 rocket was unveiled in recent years, but the M-model of the missile was unveiled at the Tehran's Mosalla Defense Exhibit last month, and it's unclear exactly what upgrades the missile was running on.

The missile is guided by a command type to the top of the wired wire line.

The purpose of detecting the target is through electromagnetic sensors in the rocket nose. These sensors are sensitive to metal masses, which are in fact the same armored or automotive equipment, and send a bomber command to the bunker when approaching the metal mass.

It also adjusts the rocket altitude through the nose laser sensor."

Yes,you sometimes almost need a translator to translate the translation.

yes . the missile was in Baghdad in 2019 not in 2011.

 

[skyshadow]

whhhhhhhat????


By reverse-engineering Soviet-era Scud technology, Tehrani-Moghaddam enabled the Guards to develop the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the region. It includes the Shahab-1 (based on the Scud-B), the Shahab-3 (based on original Scud-C technology), the Ghadr 110 and its variants, the Emad, the Shahab-4, the Shahab-5 (Kosar), the Shahab-6 (Toqyān), the Fajr-3, the Qiam, the Ashoura, and the Sejjil. They are all capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/irans-ballistic-missile-program/

 

[WinterNights]

whhhhhhhat????


By reverse-engineering Soviet-era Scud technology, Tehrani-Moghaddam enabled the Guards to develop the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the region. It includes the Shahab-1 (based on the Scud-B), the Shahab-3 (based on original Scud-C technology), the Ghadr 110 and its variants, the Emad, the Shahab-4, the Shahab-5 (Kosar), the Shahab-6 (Toqyān), the Fajr-3, the Qiam, the Ashoura, and the Sejjil. They are all capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/irans-ballistic-missile-program/

No one who is serious regarding Iran's missiles take clowns like this guy seriously. They create information out of thin air.

This joker has even invented the name of the shahab 5 and 6

 

[skyshadow]

No one who is serious regarding Iran's missiles take clowns like this guy seriously. They create information out of thin air.

This joker has even invented the name of the shahab 5 and 6

i loved it when he added Fajer_3 racket as an ballistic missile hhhhhhhaaaaa

 

[WinterNights]

i loved it when he added Fajer_3 racket as an ballistic missile hhhhhhhaaaaa

 

[skyshadow]

man I can not stop laughing. PLZ stop it

 

[Sineva]

whhhhhhhat????


By reverse-engineering Soviet-era Scud technology, Tehrani-Moghaddam enabled the Guards to develop the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the region. It includes the Shahab-1 (based on the Scud-B), the Shahab-3 (based on original Scud-C technology), the Ghadr 110 and its variants, the Emad, the Shahab-4, the Shahab-5 (Kosar), the Shahab-6 (Toqyān), the Fajr-3, the Qiam, the Ashoura, and the Sejjil. They are all capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/irans-ballistic-missile-program/

My favorite was this "Iran may also concentrate on improving the missiles’ accuracy, which is poor at present"
Was this written in 2009 or 2019?[lol!]
I do have to laugh at the whole idea of a zionist begin-sadat center tho,is that like a hitler-stalin center for human rights?

 

[skyshadow]

My favorite was this "Iran may also concentrate on improving the missiles’ accuracy, which is poor at present"
Was this written in 2009 or 2019?[lol!]
I do have to laugh at the whole idea of a zionist begin-sadat center tho,is that like a hitler-stalin center for human rights?

2019. well they feeling the heat. we all know from now on, when wars in the Middle East are over, Iran is just getting stronger every day and they know it too.

 

[skyshadow]

looks to me IRAN is going for it

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News...working-on-suspicious-nuclear-projects-583284

A senior Iranian security official said on Wednesday that some countries in the region were spending money on "suspicious nuclear projects," and warned that such threats would force Tehran to revise its defense strategy.

“Some countries in the region are spending their petro-dollars on suspicious nuclear projects that can endanger the security of the world," Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, was quoted as saying by Fars news agency.