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[scythian500]

Thats a chinese origin machine gun... do you make chinese weapons under license? Also noticed Type-52-2 rifles.. (small arms-- i know about noor aka C series Anti ship missiles)...

please post a pic and specifications of your Chinese claimed robot... Iran used many Chinese weaponry systems as a base to develop its own weapons and later design Iranian weapons from A-Z...

 

[بلندر]

Well we also use and produce both weapons (Type rifle - discontinued).. so it was interesting to see Iran using them..



Khyber 2000? failed..

The last kit is actually a Roni kit (available in market)... Fajr rifle? looks kinda nice-- AK type rifle?

look like it use different mechanism than AKs series ...

 

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look like it use different mechanism than AKs series ...

Cant see... coz of the weapon is pretty much covered... but yes it could ...

please post a pic and specifications of your Chinese claimed robot... Iran used many Chinese weaponry systems as a base to develop its own weapons and later design Iranian weapons from A-Z...

We use indigenous RCS .. but the main weapon (Machine gun) is of chinese origin..

 

[scythian500]

look like it use different mechanism than AKs series ...

exactly I was about to say the same thing..in its Persian description it mentions that it used a new system different than AKs.. even the rifle that resembles American M-4s are upgraded with an overall better specifications...

We use indigenous RCS .. but the main weapon (Machine gun) is of chinese origin..

more info with sources and photos to back your info?

BASIR Combat Communication System will be used by Iranian soldiers:

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

exactly I was about to say the same thing..in its Persian description it mentions that it used a new system different than AKs.. even the rifle that resembles American M-4s are upgraded with an overall better specifications...


more info with sources and photos to back your info?

Thats machine gun is a type series..

PLA Mechanised Infantry Division Air Defence Systems / PLAPoint Defence Systems

These are what Iranian soldiers will use in future:

This is a Roni kit :

 

[scythian500]

Thats machine gun is a type series..

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PLA Mechanised Infantry Division Air Defence Systems / PLAPoint Defence Systems




This is a Roni kit :

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Despite similarities both MACHINE GUN and RONI kit have visible differences if you get precise... But the last one as in Iranian source says, is a Roni-like kit that helps the soldier place his small pistol rifle inside the kit and have precise shots through using all the optical/IR/LRF instruments installable on the bigger frame...

 

[BordoEnes]

These are what Iranian soldiers will use in future:

I highly doubt it. The Khaybar is already more then a decade old and the Iranian military has yet to opt for these and order them in sufficient numbers. The same can be said for the Fateh rifle. The Fajr 224 however is definitly a rifle i think we will see in Iranian service, its perfect for replacing/complementing the existing Norinco M-16 clones. The pistol with the kit has no place in an army, rather its for police forces.

 

[Uhuhu]

your response is as irrelevant as insulting army or IRGC... these two both are effective and each has its own unique dis/advantages... Bearded ones are not useless.. I can bet in future war these useless bearded men will be the first to step in with the first call... Army men and IRGC men are both soldiers and children of Iran and will fight like a lion when the time comes...

In charto parta ro mitoonesti be farsi ham benevisi agar hadafet sohbat ba mohsen bood...dorost nist asabanyate khosoosi beine do nafar ham vatan beshe source etela,ate gheire irooni ha ke shart mibandam hamashoon doost daran sar be tane tak take iroonia nabashe...

sharmande tond raftam vali postet agar mokhatabexh mohsene bayad dakheli bemoone... harchand aslan na harfaye mohsen va na shoma fair va ba ensaf nist

what are the advantages and disadvantages of both army and IRGC, please explain clearly.

avval adabeto hefz kon, cherto pert amsale to migan ke mamlekat be ien rooz oftade, kheyli pishtar az shoma too ien forum man be farsi ien bahsha ro dashtam, shoma agar negarane ien ghaziye hasti, ghable ienke rage gheyratet bezane bala, avval say kon khodetun be englisi nanevisid ke javab be englisi nagirid, harvaght farsi neveshtid, javabe farsi ham migirin. dar sani ien chiza masaeli hastand ke hame midoonand vaze iran che jurie, juri migi engar kasi khabar nadare too iran bade enghelab che ettefaghati oftade, gave pishuni sefid too donyast iran.

 

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Despite similarities both MACHINE GUN and RONI kit have visible differences if you get precise... But the last one as in Iranian source says, is a Roni-like kit that helps the soldier place his small pistol rifle inside the kit and have precise shots through using all the optical/IR/LRF instruments installable on the bigger frame...

And what are those visible differences? the MG is the same expect for the Iranian RCS... Roni kit has an add on laser pointer and three "holes" instead of two (depending upon the model)..?
like this one .. accept it doesnt have a pointer :

 

[scythian500]

I highly doubt it. The Khaybar is already more then a decade old and the Iranian military has yet to opt for these and order them in sufficient numbers. The same can be said for the Fateh rifle. The Fajr 224 however is definitly a rifle i think we will see in Iranian service, its perfect for replacing/complementing the existing Norinco M-16 clones. The pistol with the kit has no place in an army, rather its for police forces.

It says in Iranian source that Kheybar produced in small numbers and then developed in 3 stages until 2009... It never said it is going to enter service or not... the other samples have different story though... Fateh is an IRGC project and is going to enter or already gone into service in great numbers... IRGC has another rifle that is clearly visible in last Basiji forces drills in Tehran a month or so ago... From other rifles, Fajr 224 is a certain replacement for existing older rifles... There are also variations to the last two rifles shown... in different colors... with different magazines.. There is nothing about the Roni kit if it will be used by which Iranian forces but it is reasonable what you said...

And what are those visible differences? the MG is the same expect for the Iranian RCS... Roni kit has an add on laser pointer and three "holes" instead of two (depending upon the model)..?
like this one .. accept it doesnt have a pointer :

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you really only found three holes instead of two among all the detailed differences? It is somehow hard for me to put them into photoshop pointing at them but look at them again from head to tow... The differences says, it is not imported rather produced locally with possible modifications... and even the chinese MG has visible but minor differences... imagine it is a FIND THE DIFFERENCE puzzle!

 

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It says in Iranian source that Kheybar produced in small numbers and then developed in 3 stages until 2009... It never said it is going to enter service to not... the other samples have different story though... Fateh is an IRGC project and is going to enter or already gone into service in great numbers... IRGC has another rifle that is clearly visible in last Basiji forces drills in Tehran a month or so ago... From other rifles, Fajr 224 is a certain replacement for existing older rifles... There are also variations to the last two rifles shown... in different colors... with different magazines.. There is nothing about the Roni kit if it will be used by which Iranian forces but it is reasonable that you said...


you really only found three holes instead of two among all the detailed differences? It is somehow hard for me to put them into photoshop pointing at them but look at them again from head to tow... The differences says, it is not imported rather produced locally with possible modifications... and even the chinese MG has visible but minor differences... imagine it is a FIND THE DIFFERENCE puzzle!

Dude im not trying to dismiss Iranian defence industry... im giving Iran the credit for the basic RCS component.. but you shouldnt just lie through your teeth claiming the MG or Roni kit are true Iranian inventions...

 

[BordoEnes]

It says in Iranian source that Kheybar produced in small numbers and then developed in 3 stages until 2009... It never said it is going to enter service or not... the other samples have different story though... Fateh is an IRGC project and is going to enter or already gone into service in great numbers... IRGC has another rifle that is clearly visible in last Basiji forces drills in Tehran a month or so ago... From other rifles, Fajr 224 is a certain replacement for existing older rifles... There are also variations to the last two rifles shown... in different colors... with different magazines.. There is nothing about the Roni kit if it will be used by which Iranian forces but it is reasonable what you said...

Why this variation? This all seems extremely unneccesary and expensive. Every branch having their own little project and for what? So they can distinguish themselfs for whatever reason? Why not stick to one standard rifle. I have read some Iranian comments that suggests its due to specialization of units but that doesnt justify the long list of small arms projects. Sticking to one standard caliber and rifle seems so much better in every aspect. Ofcourse you can always buy some alternatives for specialized units but again, is it really worth all these project?

Just my 2 cents.

 

[scythian500]

what are the advantages and disadvantages of both army and IRGC, please explain clearly.

avval adabeto hefz kon, cherto pert amsale to migan ke mamlekat be ien rooz oftade, kheyli pishtar az shoma too ien forum man be farsi ien bahsha ro dashtam, shoma agar negarane ien ghaziye hasti, ghable ienke rage gheyratet bezane bala, avval say kon khodetun be englisi nanevisid ke javab be englisi nagirid, harvaght farsi neveshtid, javabe farsi ham migirin. dar sani ien chiza masaeli hastand ke hame midoonand vaze iran che jurie, juri migi engar kasi khabar nadare too iran bade enghelab che ettefaghati oftade, gave pishuni sefid too donyast iran.

bashe javoon...vali az man beporsi man migam ba,ad az enghelab yeki az madood masaeli ke IRan az in behtar nemishod hamin bahse Military forces hastesh... Shah too khabesham nemidid ye rooz Iran be in marhale berese...oon kososherayee ke too mosahebe hash ham mogoft ro jeddi nagir...yaroo tavahom pishraft zade bood... be joz tehran va casino haye abadan tamame iran shode bood beighoole va kookh neshini... az berenje amrikayee begir ta F-14 hamash varedati bood va az khod bavari faghat jashn gereftan 2500 sale ro dashtan... kodoom amalkard?

Man kamelan dar seire takamole Artesh va Sepah boodam...sepah aval bad shoroo kard va chon roohiye enghelabi dasht ta haddi normale...badesh ba tajrobe tar ke shod behtar shod...masoolane keshvar dar sepah chizi didan ke dar artesh nadidan dar gheire in soorat be oonam hamoontor miresidan... fek kon ye artesh dashte bashi ke strategic bashe vali ehtemale disobey ya coup dashte bashe... hamoon behtar hamchin arteshi nadasht... Iran midoonest cheghadr dar moghabele coup d'etat asib pazire... moshkel ro intori hal kard ke kheili ham khoob javab dade...be in migan zerangi... Balance of powers

mibakhshi az lahnam, amma bishtare javoonaye too in forum faghat harfaye dakhele taxi mizanan va kososheri bish nistand harfashoon... Iran ba hameye mahdoodyat hash kheili ham khoobe... va aslan in chizi ke shoma ha migin nist...shoma ye chizi az biroon shenidin va ba tavahomat va oghde haye shakhsitoon tarkib mikonin inja karshenas mishin...

Artesh dar system Iran vazifash ye chize... IRGC ye chize dige... Sepah strategic ro be ohde dare chon vafadare be systeme konooni Iran... hamye donya hamintore... In charto partayee ke hey migin IRGC barash chand barabare artesh kharj mishe ro ham ziad bavar nakonid... az heyse hazine artesh hamchin ham badbakht nist... budgeti ke dar Navy va tose'eye oon va Air defence dare kharj mishe hamchin nachiz ham nist... in 2 ta felan olavyate irane...ina ke dorost beshan ta hadi oonvaght buget be GFs ham bishtar tazrigh mishe...

Sepah chi dare tajhizat ke inghadr pool kharjesh mishe? 1000 ta mooshak? chand ta ghayeghe fakastani? 4 ta havapeimaye esghati?

Iran amdan be IRGC khod kafayee dar budget dade ta baraye roshde gozine haye strategic kam nayare va ba navasanate budget dolat be fana nare... va inke kharjayee ke mishe az hesabrasi omoomi va khareji (intel) pooshide bemoone...

ye zamani sepah bad nirooyee bood...alan be jorat mitoonam begam be tanhayee lethality balayee dare hatta ba nirooye kamtar... Artesh ham tavanayee haye khodesho dare... Navy, Air defence (harchand migan moshtarake vali hanooz badanash az Artesh tamin mishe), lashgar haye mokhtalef, takavaran, ect...ina hamashoon kheili tavanmand hastand va advantageshoon nesbat be IRGC vazeh hast...

BTW, chon hameye donya midoonan USA tavasote lobby gari va band bazi va fesade politicians va bankers edare mishe pas bayad US citizens ham bian sobh ta shab ino be farsi baraye ma tozih bedan? Inke Saudi booye az democrasy naborde bayad mardomesh bian be farsi be man befahmoonan va tekrar konan ajab kharayee hastand? az in manteghe shoma vaghean ta'ajob kardam baradare bi rish...

zemnan manam bi risham...vali ham asheghe basiji ham, ham arteshi ha, ham IRGC.. va harkasi ke az in keshvar va mardomesh dar rooze mabada defa kone...

e MG or Roni kit are true Iranian inventions

I didn't say it is Iranian invention as you like to perceive it clearly!!... I'm saying it is a modification so it is most likley Iranian production or modification or upgrade... IRan is not that stupid to invent the wheel again... we can use others time and energy and jump high...

Why this variation? This all seems extremely unneccesary and expensive. Every branch having their own little project and for what? So they can distinguish themselfs for whatever reason? Why not stick to one standard rifle. I have read some Iranian comments that suggests its due to specialization of units but that doesnt justify the long list of small arms projects. Sticking to one standard caliber and rifle seems so much better in every aspect. Ofcourse you can always buy some alternatives for specialized units but again, is it really worth all these project?

Just my 2 cents.

All armies with the production capability design and test so many models of rifles in order to finally select one or couple of them for different forces...

It is quite smart to use specific rifles for specific operations or forces...

Iranian armament industries are all united in a way... IRGC designs and tests weapons for its own use but will send the design to Ministry of Defense to be mass produced... Air force does the same... GF does the same...

The only entities that design military stuff and produce it by themselves are private high-tech companies... These preform the research...make prototypes and then finds a bidder among different forces to sponsor them with the mass production...

In brief: A force which is designed to confront PJAK or other para military terrorists need a rifle that suits them better... it is somehow unwise to make a single rifle for all forces...

 

[بلندر]

Dude im not trying to dismiss Iranian defence industry... im giving Iran the credit for the basic RCS component.. but you shouldnt just lie through your teeth claiming the MG or Roni kit are true Iranian inventions...

actually , Iran bought some light machine gun from Chinese , and unlike their Ak 47s , those machine guns have good quality so we ordered more of them ....

I'm really glad that they just copy Roni kit rather than spending money to design it ...

 

[yavar]