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its obsolete because of its main radar and its high rcs compared to them
I am sorry but you realy dont know what you talk about. I will only say that now,in few hours I will explain why,when get home on PC. Also when it comes to info from Egypt about Rafael ECCM pod been able to outjam SU 35,it is same lavel of BS like "Iranian drones are shit,Russians are not happy",if that realy happen,we would never know,they would keep it as top secret. And there are 20 other reason why it is clear it is BS,it is classic PR,to spread bad marketing,also Egypt was threatened with sanctions even before they evaluate SU 35,and they probably look for reason to cancel. But such information are simple not shared at that way,also when you evaluate fighter jet or even after you buy it,there is always clausule about not turning on radar during drils with advesaries of seler. I remember India did not activate radar at all during joint drils with western partners,for long time on SU 30,I am not sure do they do it now..maybe,but for long time it was part of the deal not do it. And if Egypt discovered such game changer information,we would never know it. SU 35 is most importan aircraft with MIG 31 in RUAF,literary best their aircraft for now,SU 57 is produced in low numbers,and there is no reason to belive it will be produced in some big numbers in short time,so SU 35 is RUAF strategic asset. If Egypt discovered weakness they will kept it guarded,why publish it and give Russia time to fix it. IRBIS E is strictly looking hybrid electronically scaned array ,with hybrid "tilters" ,and it outperform even many AESA,and I am not talking about its huge range,I am talking about LPI,jamming restitance,wide range of channels,low noise...etc and again it outperform many AESA ,it is unique HybridESA.
It use new unique transmitter,new programmable signal and information processor capable of over 95 Million operations per second, with digital signal processing using multiple processors,it literary has AESA level noise...It has 2 x time bandwith of previos generation in SU 30....US latest gen AESA are really impresive,but this is excellent fighter jet for Air Defense,and It will not operate from carrier 5000km from Iran,it should be looked from Iran perspective,and If it meets IRIAF requirements for assigned tasks,that is it. New air frames will serve for long time,Iran can later upgrade it with own tech if something pop up,but for now this is in reality only option for Iran,because Iran need 4++ gen aircraft in IRIAF till domestic fighter jet is produced,not only for defense purpose,but also for study,train,to check own strategies,tactics,weapons vs new gen fighter jets...IRIAF is huge,it is 7 or 8 largest airforce on planet,with complete support infrastucture to maintain everything on its own,and to support other airforces...school,higher level education,certification,research...I read somewhere 9 countries send their personel to study in IRIAF,so IRIAF must keep up with new technologies,it cant wait more15 years for 4++ gen air superiority jet. I would love to see best fighter jet in universe fly in Iriaf,but it need to survive and maintain some level of quality till that time came.
 
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o SU 35 is RUAF strategic asset. If Egypt discovered weakness they will kept it guarded,why publish it and give Russia time to fix it. IRBIS E is strictly looking hybrid electronically scaned array ,with hybrid "tilters" ,and it outperform even many AESA,and I am not talking about its huge range,I am talking about LPI,jamming restitance,wide range of channels,low noise...etc and again it outperform many AESA ,it is unique HybridESA.
so your reasoning for all your bs this bs that in the first part of your post is your awe .
well let me fix something , the ibris-e e-warfare was so awesome that russia in its su-35s delegate the job to l-band AESA radar at the front of the wing.
and who talked about egypt , its the best a su-35 can do in front of Ukrainian mig-29
getting a good enough lock at 40km

the radar may be good at detecting , but shitty at tracking specially if there is E-Warfare involved
It use new unique transmitter,new programmable signal and information processor capable of over 95 Million operations per second, with digital signal processing using multiple processors,it literary has AESA level noise...
if you say , only a small problem it can lock on a fighter size target at less than 100km , even tiny f-17 can do a lot better heck , even JF-17 block III can do it better
bandwith of previos generation in SU 30....
explain why su-30 must be kept more than 100km from front line
against light fighters like JF-17 and F-16
but this is excellent fighter jet for Air Defense,and It will not operate from carrier 5000km from Iran,it should be looked from Iran perspective,and If it meets IRIAF requirements for assigned tasks,that is it. New air frames will serve for long time,Iran can later
shitty for that role , it only good as a bomb truck in uncontested air , for gods sake it even cant do an appropriate job as SEAD aircraft. as its shown in Ukraine
 
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I am sorry but you realy dont know what you talk about. I will only say that now,in few hours I will explain why,when get home on PC. Also when it comes to info from Egypt about Rafael ECCM pod been able to outjam SU 35,it is same lavel of BS like "Iranian drones are shit,Russians are not happy",if that realy happen,we would never know,they would keep it as top secret. And there are 20 other reason why it is clear it is BS,it is classic PR,to spread bad marketing,also Egypt was threatened with sanctions even before they evaluate SU 35,and they probably look for reason to cancel. But such information are simple not shared at that way,also when you evaluate fighter jet or even after you buy it,there is always clausule about not turning on radar during drils with advesaries of seler. I remember India did not activate radar at all during joint drils with western partners,for long time on SU 30,I am not sure do they do it now..maybe,but for long time it was part of the deal not do it. And if Egypt discovered such game changer information,we would never know it. SU 35 is most importan aircraft with MIG 31 in RUAF,literary best their aircraft for now,SU 57 is produced in low numbers,and there is no reason to belive it will be produced in some big numbers in short time,so SU 35 is RUAF strategic asset. If Egypt discovered weakness they will kept it guarded,why publish it and give Russia time to fix it. IRBIS E is strictly looking hybrid electronically scaned array ,with hybrid "tilters" ,and it outperform even many AESA,and I am not talking about its huge range,I am talking about LPI,jamming restitance,wide range of channels,low noise...etc and again it outperform many AESA ,it is unique HybridESA.
It use new unique transmitter,new programmable signal and information processor capable of over 95 Million operations per second, with digital signal processing using multiple processors,it literary has AESA level noise...It has 2 x time bandwith of previos generation in SU 30....US latest gen AESA are really impresive,but this is excellent fighter jet for Air Defense,and It will not operate from carrier 5000km from Iran,it should be looked from Iran perspective,and If it meets IRIAF requirements for assigned tasks,that is it. New air frames will serve for long time,Iran can later upgrade it with own tech if something pop up,but for now this is in reality only option for Iran,because Iran need 4++ gen aircraft in IRIAF till domestic fighter jet is produced,not only for defense purpose,but also for study,train,to check own strategies,tactics,weapons vs new gen fighter jets...IRIAF is huge,it is 7 or 8 largest airforce on planet,with complete support infrastucture to maintain everything on its own,and to support other airforces...school,higher level education,certification,research...I read somewhere 9 countries send their personel to study in IRIAF,so IRIAF must keep up with new technologies,it cant wait more15 years for 4++ gen air superiority jet. I would love to see best fighter jet in universe fly in Iriaf,but it need to survive and maintain some level of quality till that time came.
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It is clear that you do not understand many things in Egypt since the start of receiving Russian weapons, many of which were refused full receipt of it before its development, for example, the S-300V, Egypt rejected its final receipt before the development of the form acceptable to Egypt, because simply we have been using Western technologies for 44 years
The same thing was the T-90MS tank, Egypt’s requests were radical, including everything, the engine, protection, the firepower, the ammunition, which should be in line with the capacity of Western munitions, and even the development of the AT-11 significantly, which disrupted the deal and made the Russians offer the T-14 directly to Egypt

Egypt received 52 MIG-29M/M2 planes. Egypt faced two plane crashes with Russian manufacturing errors, as well as in the implementation of complex maneuvers and combat tactics, as well as modifications to the armament. Consequently, Egypt demanded that Russia compensate the two planes that Egypt lost after sending Russian technicians and specialists, which simply means Egypt buys weapons to get more protection. It was meant for him to work within an integrated system because he would face the best fighters that America has in Israel, for example, so the shortcomings of the SU-35 are real, and his declaration is a kind of intense pressure on the Russians to develop planes to an acceptable level. The planes are not cheap. 30 planes worth 3 billion dollars, including ammunition, and the Russians care about the Egyptian customer Because the size of the successive Egyptian deals with the Russians makes them behind India and China in the size of the deals
The Russians are also not angels, so we suffer from them in commercial deals in the field of fraud and deception

When the defects of the Su-35 were leaked, the Russians were trying to please Egypt, as Egypt was providing the Russians a good service in developing their armament.

To illustrate another example of the Egyptian KA-52 plane, when it requested modifications, the Russians discovered that the modifications they requested were very needed in the Syrian theater of operations to increase the capabilities of the plane, and after Egypt used the plane for several years, there are negotiations on other developments, part of which are for the KA-52M level.
Egypt does not manufacture planes. For Egypt, every plane represents a great value for the Egyptian Air Force, and there is a difficulty in replacing it besides the high operating costs. Therefore, Egypt has to make the specifications of the planes the highest level due to the limited numbers of fighters obtained and their high cost.

The Russians focus on the fact that Egypt is a country that buys planes gradually and continuously, and not one deal, but an initial deal followed by subsequent deals, and Western pressure is not on the first deal for SU-35 fighters, but rather, so that Egypt does not buy the second batch of them.
Egypt benefits from a series of international maneuvers that it conducts annually in studying different air tactics and various international aircraft that come to Egypt in annual maneuvers with more than 10 different air weapons, starting from India to the United States throughout Asia, Europe and America, so when Egypt requests something in modifications or specifications Egypt respects and also always turns tactical planes to carry out strategic missions.

Iran is not at all in the field to choose, whether fighters or specifications are subject to international sanctions. Therefore, which aircraft it obtains is better than the current situation, and the matter does not need to justify because there is nothing available to Iran from high-performance and high-quality fighters globally. Therefore, what the Russians offer to Iran is accepted because there is no other, this is the truth
 
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if you say , only a small problem it can lock on a fighter size target at less than 100km , even tiny f-17 can do a lot better heck , even JF-17 block III can do it better

What is F-17? Did you just make up a plane that never reached mass production?

JF-17 does not do do better. Stop posting false claims, you are destroying your credibility.

The detection range for targets with a radar cross-section of 3 square meters is stated to be ≥75 km (≥35 km in look-down mode)

Rafael with it’s 1m2 estimate RCS means that JF-17 III radar will still not detect it under 100KM. And that is in absolutely ideal conditions with Rafael not doing jamming/ECW/and various other tactics to mask its presence. F-14AM will not detect (specific targeting data) a Rafael like fighter either under 100KM.

Your various claims are unfounded. Funny thing is the radar that goes into JF-17 originally came from Russian designs.
 
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I am sorry but you realy dont know what you talk about. I will only say that now,in few hours I will explain why,when get home on PC. Also when it comes to info from Egypt about Rafael ECCM pod been able to outjam SU 35,it is same lavel of BS like "Iranian drones are shit,Russians are not happy",if that realy happen,we would never know,they would keep it as top secret. And there are 20 other reason why it is clear it is BS,it is classic PR,to spread bad marketing,also Egypt was threatened with sanctions even before they evaluate SU 35,and they probably look for reason to cancel. But such information are simple not shared at that way,also when you evaluate fighter jet or even after you buy it,there is always clausule about not turning on radar during drils with advesaries of seler. I remember India did not activate radar at all during joint drils with western partners,for long time on SU 30,I am not sure do they do it now..maybe,but for long time it was part of the deal not do it. And if Egypt discovered such game changer information,we would never know it. SU 35 is most importan aircraft with MIG 31 in RUAF,literary best their aircraft for now,SU 57 is produced in low numbers,and there is no reason to belive it will be produced in some big numbers in short time,so SU 35 is RUAF strategic asset. If Egypt discovered weakness they will kept it guarded,why publish it and give Russia time to fix it. IRBIS E is strictly looking hybrid electronically scaned array ,with hybrid "tilters" ,and it outperform even many AESA,and I am not talking about its huge range,I am talking about LPI,jamming restitance,wide range of channels,low noise...etc and again it outperform many AESA ,it is unique HybridESA.
It use new unique transmitter,new programmable signal and information processor capable of over 95 Million operations per second, with digital signal processing using multiple processors,it literary has AESA level noise...It has 2 x time bandwith of previos generation in SU 30....US latest gen AESA are really impresive,but this is excellent fighter jet for Air Defense,and It will not operate from carrier 5000km from Iran,it should be looked from Iran perspective,and If it meets IRIAF requirements for assigned tasks,that is it. New air frames will serve for long time,Iran can later upgrade it with own tech if something pop up,but for now this is in reality only option for Iran,because Iran need 4++ gen aircraft in IRIAF till domestic fighter jet is produced,not only for defense purpose,but also for study,train,to check own strategies,tactics,weapons vs new gen fighter jets...IRIAF is huge,it is 7 or 8 largest airforce on planet,with complete support infrastucture to maintain everything on its own,and to support other airforces...school,higher level education,certification,research...I read somewhere 9 countries send their personel to study in IRIAF,so IRIAF must keep up with new technologies,it cant wait more15 years for 4++ gen air superiority jet. I would love to see best fighter jet in universe fly in Iriaf,but it need to survive and maintain some level of quality till that time came.
Please bring some truth as the comments are grossly stupid on the Su-35 here in this section. Indeed the Su-35 is more powerful overall and technological than the idiots think here. The people here are made a real shame
 
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its obsolete because of its main radar and its high rcs compared to them
It has 1m² RCS and a modern PESA radar

You need to learn to read better. I didn’t say only five 3rd Khordad telar exist. I said we have seen footage of an assembly plant where 5+ were being made at a time pointing to mass production capability.
Oh I'm blind lmfao
 
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Disappointing showing out of Fath (HIMARS) equivalent.

Out of 5 Fath only one scored a direct hit (20% accuracy). Error in interial guidance does not make sense since inertial guidance loses accuracy as time passes and given very short range of this missile (75KM) time from launch to impact should have been very very quick.

Possible this was a different type of rocket launch and not Fath. Could also mean GNSS is not very accurate especially in Middle East.

Or it can simply mean Iran needs to work on guidance kit of Fath for next generations.
 
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Disappointing showing out of Fath (HIMARS) equivalent.

Out of 5 Fath only one scored a direct hit (20% accuracy). Error in interial guidance does not make sense since inertial guidance loses accuracy as time passes and given very short range of this missile (75KM) time from launch to impact should have been very very quick.

Possible this was a different type of rocket launch and not Fath. Could also mean GNSS is not very accurate especially in Middle East.

Or it can simply mean Iran needs to work on guidance kit of Fath for next generations.
my guess is something , does anybody have a good photo of Fath missile
its not good quality , but it seems unlike fateh family the warhead won't separate from the body
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if that's the case maybe that explain the lower accuracy
 
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This issue needs to be addressed ASAP and the reputation of Iran's missiles cannot be allowed to diminish, given its deterrence factor...

Given this footage was provided to Tasmin News, I would hope this indicates fact that Iranian Artesh does not view the inaccuracy as systemic in nature.
 
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This issue needs to be addressed ASAP and the reputation of Iran's missiles cannot be allowed to diminish, given its deterrence factor...

I don’t understand. What exactly gives away inaccuracy?
 
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Disappointing showing out of Fath (HIMARS) equivalent.

Out of 5 Fath only one scored a direct hit (20% accuracy). Error in interial guidance does not make sense since inertial guidance loses accuracy as time passes and given very short range of this missile (75KM) time from launch to impact should have been very very quick.

Possible this was a different type of rocket launch and not Fath. Could also mean GNSS is not very accurate especially in Middle East.

Or it can simply mean Iran needs to work on guidance kit of Fath for next generations.
Seems like out of 6 Fath, 2 scored a close enough hit. Probably just unloaded a single TEL on it.

I don't really think it's such a big deal in this case. These are Fath missiles, probably INS for this type of range. It's not like they used Fateh Mobin missiles. Lower range missiles don't need high accuracy because you can build 1000s of them. Low cost and higher inventory should be main priority. For instance, US production rate of HIMARS missiles is about 9000 units per year!

In contrast longer range missiles should value accuracy more than cost reduction since they are hard to build and more expensive, you simply can't afford to miss by a large factor.

Clearly they opted for lower cost build, with larger numbers, If that was a normal full rectangular building, the hits would easily resulted in a kill. Considering these are just battlefield missiles, they would probably rather build very large number of them than building less with more accurate due to increased cost..

Can you even fit guidance kit on Fath missile considering how small the width is?
 
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