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I think some sort of monetary penalty or military court would change this idea for good.
example: if you loose more than a number of soldiers in each operation, you will loose some of your income next month...

the cost of training a person to become a colonel and replace martyr salimi will be paid by the nation and it will be big. so loosing him is not much different from betraying the nation.
This can easily backfire. Last thing you would want to do is to limit your military's tolerance for risk. This is what has happened to US and why they are being pushed away from every corner of the world: because their society and politicians can not tolerate loss of life in battle and have transferred the same to their military.
Injury and death are realities of war or any armed conflict.
 
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This can easily backfire.
This is why I am not the one making decisions and designing things in the military. there are a ton of things that need to be considered in these situations and I don't know them...
but still, i understand finance and i know how expensive training people is. more expensive than training, is experience. both of these were lost with death of martyr salimi.
this is a trade off. how much can we pay for each incident? are we getting more out of it? if not, what can we do to gain more and pay less?

Injury and death are realities of war or any armed conflict.
war is messy. but you die, only if you are standing in the line of fire. this is why if we bomb them, it will only be messy on their side. look at the missile attacks of IRGC on terrorists. they paid with blood, we paid in cash!
 
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This positive view of martyrdom in Iran and its military is overall very useful. When you have soldiers that have little to no fear of dying in combat, then this gives a large psychological advantage over their counterparts. What I have something of a problem with is actively seeking martyrdom. This makes it so we lose more life than necessary, even high ranking ones which we really cannot afford to lose. Keep the martyrdom spirit, just apply it when truly needed.
 
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This is why I am not the one making decisions and designing things in the military. there are a ton of things that need to be considered in these situations and I don't know them...
but still, i understand finance and i know how expensive training people is. more expensive than training, is experience. both of these were lost with death of martyr salimi.
this is a trade off. how much can we pay for each incident? are we getting more out of it? if not, what can we do to gain more and pay less?


war is messy. but you die, only if you are standing in the line of fire. this is why if we bomb them, it will only be messy on their side. look at the missile attacks of IRGC on terrorists. they paid with blood, we paid in cash!
Totally agree. I don't know either. What I'm trying to say is not everything can be translated into financial equations.
Give you an example: the health and safety regulations for construction and manufacturing in Western world. It was pioneered by insurance companies based on the same calculation you referred to. It sounded ver humane as well: what is more important than returning home everyday safe and sound? And there it started and became a never ending cycle of improving the safety. Insurance companies were happy. Don't know if the employers were happy but didn't dare to speak up. What happened in parallel and nobody paid attention to because it didn't affected anybody's balance sheet was the production cost started to increase to the point that the same jobs that were supposed to be safe got eliminated and moved offshore. What was the cost of that?
Going back to our discussion, same can happen to a military. Step by step, they become more and more conservative. Instead of putting boots on the ground and give the opponent a decisive defeat, they try to bomb them into oblivion which we know never works and before you know it, you no longer are a dominant military power. What is the cost of that? I don't know but it is potentially very high.
 
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Iranian Army Ground Force to Increase Production of Military Equipment

“We will have a desirable leap in area of military parts [production] in the Year of Surge in Production and we have put good plans on agenda for developing robots, helicopters, anti-armor and anti-missile equipment, quadcopters, drones and different types of border monitoring sensors,” General Heidari said on Sunday.

He added that Iran has gained self-sufficiency in production of defensive weapons and equipment, noting that the Ground Force has made desirable success in production of hand-thrown drones and their maintenance.

The Iranian Army has in recent years made double efforts to increase its defensive and combat power.

General Heidari had also announced in February that the Army's Airborne Unit has boosted the range of missiles fired by helicopters.

"Today, the range of Army Airborne Unit's missiles has increased to a very desirable level and we have achieved self-sufficiency in the field of night-vision systems and we can fly over night and destroy targets," General Heidari said.

He described the Iranian Army's Airborne Unit as the biggest helicopter fleet in the Middle-East.

Elsewhere, General Heidari also said that the Iranian experts at the defense ministry in cooperation with other industries inside the country have managed to overhaul 33 helicopters for future missions.

General Heidari had announced in 2018 that the Army's Airborne Unit had tripled the range of missiles mounted on its helicopters.

"Three major changes have been made in the Airborne Unit, including, equipment of helicopters with night-vision systems, tripling the range of missiles mounted on them and increasing the speed of overhaul," General Heidari told reporters in Tehran at the time.

He also underlined that the country has established the most powerful helicopter fleet in the region.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran's Airborne unit has paved the path of progress very well since the victory of the Islamic Revolution in a way that today, we have the most powerful helicopter fleet in the Middle-East," General Heidari added.

He stressed that the army's Airborne unit is always ready to defend the country against different threats, including the terrorist groups.


https://defapress.ir/en/news/81068/...-to-increase-production-of-military-equipment
 
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Minus the little anti-Iran undertones, it is an interesting read.

Iran's Nader RPG Has Found Itself On Many Middle Eastern Battlefields

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Here's What You Need To Remember: Ironically, while the Nader has become a sign of the IRI’s influence, the design was originally commissioned by the Iranian Shah government from a West German firm, according to a released report by the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center.

The Islamic Republic of Iran’s (IRI’s) influence is felt in almost every conflict in the Middle East. Iranian money, weapons, and training frequently show up in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. While most of this support is covert, with money going to buy weapons that are common in the region, occasionally there are overtly Iranian forms of aid. One of the most common is the PG-7-AT, or “Nader” RPG round.

Ironically, while the Nader has become a sign of the IRI’s influence, the design was originally commissioned by the Iranian Shah government from a West German firm, according to a released report by the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center. The IRI’s military presumably liked the design and continued production post-coup, and now Naders are found as common aid, given out to feed the plethora of RPG launchers in the region.

The Nader differs from the regular Soviet or Warsaw Pact PG-7V rounds in fusing method and warhead shape. The warhead is slightly thinner than a basic PG-7V at 80mm, though this is larger than the later PG-7VM and PG-7VS rockets. But the most distinctive feature of the Nader is the curved nose. The curve provides several benefits. It’s more aerodynamic, and it houses a novel dual-shell fuzing mechanism. Instead of the single fuze on the nose of the PG-7V, the warhead is triggered when the outer aerodynamic shell crushes against an inner shell. Presumably, this improves fuzing reliability and decrease “bounce hits” since any impact to the outer shell would trigger the warhead, not just the nose. This can also increase the speed with which the launcher is loaded, as regular PG-7V rockets are shipped with a cap on the rocket to protect the piezoelectric fuze to prevent damage to it. This cap generally is removed before firing, which slows down the process. Finally, the curve provides more standoff than the standard PG-7V rocket, potentially enhancing penetration. Despite the improvements, the Nader features similar penetration to a regular PG-7V at around 300mm Rolled Homogenous Armor equivalent (RHAe).

The Nader also was the basis for a longer version with increased penetration known as the “Enhanced Nader” or “Nafez”, which features an even longer nose for more penetration at the cost of velocity. Both the Nader and Nafez were offered for export.

However, the benefits of the Nader and Nafez were apparently not enough to warrant continued production. According to Armament Research Services, the Nader was replaced by the mid-2000s by a simple PG-7V copy known as the “Fath” or PG-7-AT-1. Similarly, the Nafez was replaced by a PG-7VL copy, which also was called the Nafez. Iran has continued exporting these rounds to groups aligned with them in the middle east, which has resulted in their continued proliferation. Jihadist training groups such as Malhama Tactical have included references to Iranian rounds, specifically the PG-7-AT-1 as a PG-7V analog, in their training literature.

While the Nader is out of production now, it represents an interesting western “improvement” on the PG-7V round design that proved an easy way to recognize which groups were being supplied by Iran. The transition to a PG-7V clone makes this harder, as researchers must now look for closer details to determine where a PG-7V round came from.

Charlie Gao studied Political and Computer Science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national security issues. This article first appeared last April and is being republished due to reader interest.

Image: Reuters.

https://news.yahoo.com/irans-nader-..._CZTLPvAP2op9QwQEiNYnEW-HTkl25Excrk3Metkw8ecG
 
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Minus the little anti-Iran undertones, it is an interesting read.

Iran's Nader RPG Has Found Itself On Many Middle Eastern Battlefields

e48e45dad843e21cdcf78e28d1efa795


Here's What You Need To Remember: Ironically, while the Nader has become a sign of the IRI’s influence, the design was originally commissioned by the Iranian Shah government from a West German firm, according to a released report by the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center.

The Islamic Republic of Iran’s (IRI’s) influence is felt in almost every conflict in the Middle East. Iranian money, weapons, and training frequently show up in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. While most of this support is covert, with money going to buy weapons that are common in the region, occasionally there are overtly Iranian forms of aid. One of the most common is the PG-7-AT, or “Nader” RPG round.

Ironically, while the Nader has become a sign of the IRI’s influence, the design was originally commissioned by the Iranian Shah government from a West German firm, according to a released report by the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center. The IRI’s military presumably liked the design and continued production post-coup, and now Naders are found as common aid, given out to feed the plethora of RPG launchers in the region.

The Nader differs from the regular Soviet or Warsaw Pact PG-7V rounds in fusing method and warhead shape. The warhead is slightly thinner than a basic PG-7V at 80mm, though this is larger than the later PG-7VM and PG-7VS rockets. But the most distinctive feature of the Nader is the curved nose. The curve provides several benefits. It’s more aerodynamic, and it houses a novel dual-shell fuzing mechanism. Instead of the single fuze on the nose of the PG-7V, the warhead is triggered when the outer aerodynamic shell crushes against an inner shell. Presumably, this improves fuzing reliability and decrease “bounce hits” since any impact to the outer shell would trigger the warhead, not just the nose. This can also increase the speed with which the launcher is loaded, as regular PG-7V rockets are shipped with a cap on the rocket to protect the piezoelectric fuze to prevent damage to it. This cap generally is removed before firing, which slows down the process. Finally, the curve provides more standoff than the standard PG-7V rocket, potentially enhancing penetration. Despite the improvements, the Nader features similar penetration to a regular PG-7V at around 300mm Rolled Homogenous Armor equivalent (RHAe).

The Nader also was the basis for a longer version with increased penetration known as the “Enhanced Nader” or “Nafez”, which features an even longer nose for more penetration at the cost of velocity. Both the Nader and Nafez were offered for export.

However, the benefits of the Nader and Nafez were apparently not enough to warrant continued production. According to Armament Research Services, the Nader was replaced by the mid-2000s by a simple PG-7V copy known as the “Fath” or PG-7-AT-1. Similarly, the Nafez was replaced by a PG-7VL copy, which also was called the Nafez. Iran has continued exporting these rounds to groups aligned with them in the middle east, which has resulted in their continued proliferation. Jihadist training groups such as Malhama Tactical have included references to Iranian rounds, specifically the PG-7-AT-1 as a PG-7V analog, in their training literature.

While the Nader is out of production now, it represents an interesting western “improvement” on the PG-7V round design that proved an easy way to recognize which groups were being supplied by Iran. The transition to a PG-7V clone makes this harder, as researchers must now look for closer details to determine where a PG-7V round came from.

Charlie Gao studied Political and Computer Science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national security issues. This article first appeared last April and is being republished due to reader interest.

Image: Reuters.

https://news.yahoo.com/irans-nader-..._CZTLPvAP2op9QwQEiNYnEW-HTkl25Excrk3Metkw8ecG

PG-7-AT (AKA Nader AKA Fath)
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Enhanced Nader (AKA Nafez AKA Optimized Fath)
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Tandem Nader (AKA Tandem Fath)

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Seeing all these Iranian systems being proliferated throughout the region reminds us how much revenue Iran could gain by selling such systems on the market.
I actually think at least Toofan is more heavily used by Iran's allies than Iran itself. All photos I see are either from Iraq or Syria.
 
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I actually think at least Toofan is more heavily used by Iran's allies than Iran itself. All photos I see are either from Iraq or Syria.
Well both iraq and syria ordered these equipments and because if the current conflicts, we can see them on the social media.
But I think iran isnt showing such stuff because they arent used that much except for training. And the iranian military doesnt really have a proper PR section to show any content even about normal training. So yea I guess that's why we cant see anything about such equipment in iran.
 
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Does anyone know what the 2nd APC from the left is called? And does anyone have any information about it?
 
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