Iranian drone causes delays at UAE airport

[mike2000 is back]

Wholeheartedly agree, but now Iran is trying to bring the fight to them. Saudi's wouldn't have had to worry if they had proxies to distract Iran. Like Syrian rebels in Syria. That is why they needed to support the rebels all the way but they backed off and don't have a 'first line of defense' for themselves because of that. US will help with defensive measures but doesn't want to do more than that unless its hand was forced.

So I see at as Saudi strategic mistakes that put them on a weaker footing today.

Well, yes you got a point there as well. I agree that the Saudis made a blunder(geo-politically speaking not morally obviously. lol) by not sponsoring and taking part much more actively than they have in supporting rebels groups in Syria. If i was Saudi policy maker, i would have made sure i built Syrian rebel groups with enough firepower and missiles/ATGMs and many other weapons needed to make sure they were a force to be reckon with and a good proxy i could use abit like Iran did with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Shia's militias groups in Iraq. This would have enabled KSA to push the battle field further and create a buffer for the Kingdom, keeping Iran at arms length. However, they seem to have failed in doing so. In doing so Iran has a clear path(from Lebanon to Iraq to Syria to Yemen) from which to launch(covert or overt) attacks against KSA and other gulf states themselves.Since Iran has proxy groups they can use as cover in virtually all these countries. Meanwhile the opposite is true for KSA. So it seems that KSA and its gulf states minions have been checkmated in this situation.
However, to be honest, the fact that the Russian's got involved in the war as well complicated things even more for the Saudis. Since without them i think the Saudis would have fared better in supporting rebels groups in Syria much more successfully.

 

[925boy]

Saudis need to some air strikes on Iranian coastal targets or naval assets. Just deny responsibility and humiliate them. Let's see if Iran actually has stomach for war.

Consider these GCC Arabs as thieves, and consider Iran as Sharia. You know what will happen to that hand...

 

[Falcon29]

Consider these GCC Arabs as thieves, and consider Iran as Sharia. You know what will happen to that hand...

Only Iranians, Saudis, Emirates, and some cheerleaders of Iran believe this. If Saudis were smart they would put Iran to the test by now. The long term results would not be good for Iran. That is my opinion and I am adamant about it.

 

[skyshadow]

please describe which drone could it be??

if im going to guess then it would be our best drone jet powered Shahed-171 unless we have a bigger version of Fotros drone or a smaller jet powered Shahed-191 ( unlikely).



Shahed-171

Fotros drone

Shahed-191

Saudis need to some air strikes on Iranian coastal targets or naval assets. Just deny responsibility and humiliate them. Let's see if Iran actually has stomach for war.

Iran has to match radars Saudis will be caught red handed, militarily speaking

 

[925boy]

Half of their missiles fell in Iran and Iraq.

But enough of them hit the targets and destroyed them in Syria. why focus on half empty glass instead of half full? cuz ur an Iran hater.

We never seen their medium range missiles put to the test.

and you dont want to. Iran will use them well when the right time comes. You saw the cruise missiles and drones in action and it turned most of PDF's Sunni arabs brains upside down, including yours...you all started manufacturing conspiracy theories instead of accepting the reality that Sunni Arabs cant stop Iran from being regional hegemon.

And Saudi Air Defenses can shoot them down.

How is that possible when Saudis cant shoot down Houthi ballistic missiles? ha ha ...yo believe so much in phantomSaudi military capabilities. they are only real in your head.

Saudis can destroy Iranian oil fields too.

Whats the evidence you're basing this on? what would they use? We dont know that Saudis can fire ballistic missiles even. Also, if Iran and Saudis both destroy each others oil infrastructure Saudis are in more trouble, because most of their state budget is based on oil, Iran's isnt. blockhead GCC arabs put all their economic "eggs" in 1 basket..smh. how unstrategic.

So my advice for Saudis is to stand up to Iran.

You're a bad adviser then, because you are giving them BAD advice because Saudis have 0 chance of beating Iran so why start what you cant win? Did the active Yemen war not teach you anything about Saudi military capabilities? The Saudis are too incompetent to do so, and even if they can, they wont be effective. You and i know this already.

Iran does not want 40 years of 'revolution' efforts to go to waste.

Offcourse note. it has put effective deterrence in place to protect it.

It does not want a war to reverse that progress.

And it has prevented any from doing so.

So in the end, Saudis lack leadership with backbone.

Saudis lack coherent, long term strategy(even Islamic) + incompetent military skills and organization. You're biased against Saudis. its obvious. you call their incompetence and inabilities "lack of leadership backbone". thats an oversimplification and pathetic excuse to protect the useless. its more than just that.

If they don't respond they show more weakness to Iran for Iran to blackmail them and attack them.

How can they respond when even daddy US hasnt responded yet? 1st things first Bro. If US cant respond, saudis are DEFINITELY not responding. Wake up from your dream man. They've always been under blackmail, Iran just hadnt translated the blackmails into action.

 

[skyshadow]

Except Kuwait is minding its own business and liked by even the Shia communities in the Middle East. They don’t make enemies and there is no reason for anyone to antagonists them. Surprisingly even Kuwaiti Shias are happy with their government. It should be set as an example for other gulf states. Just goes on to show that minorities won’t ask for much if you give them their basic rights.



That would mean the end of all oil, seaport and airport operations and infrastructure in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Saudi bases are out in the flat and open land. Iran has most of the strategic weapons in caves in the mountains.

the are not caves they are called underground cities

That won't stop Iran from attacking them. World doesn't revolve around Shia's either. Not sure why you mention them. We are talking about Saudi-Iran tensions.



Iran launched short range ballistic missiles against ISIS targets in Syria after that bombing in the IRGC parade. Half of their missiles fell in Iran and Iraq. We never seen their medium range missiles put to the test. And Saudi Air Defenses can shoot them down. Saudis can destroy Iranian oil fields too. So my advice for Saudis is to stand up to Iran. Iran does not want 40 years of 'revolution' efforts to go to waste. It does not want a war to reverse that progress.

So in the end, Saudis lack leadership with backbone. If they don't respond they show more weakness to Iran for Iran to blackmail them and attack them.

well that not a surgical strike anymore that's all out war brother

 

[Falcon29]

Iran has to match radars Saudis will be caught red handed, militarily speaking

But enough of them hit the targets and destroyed them in Syria. why focus on half empty glass instead of half full? cuz ur an Iran hater.

and you dont want to. Iran will use them well when the right time comes. You saw the cruise missiles and drones in action and it turned most of PDF's Sunni arabs brains upside down, including yours...you all started manufacturing conspiracy theories instead of accepting the reality that Sunni Arabs cant stop Iran from being regional hegemon.

How is that possible when Saudis cant shoot down Houthi ballistic missiles? ha ha ...yo believe so much in phantomSaudi military capabilities. they are only real in your head.

Whats the evidence you're basing this on? what would they use? We dont know that Saudis can fire ballistic missiles even. Also, if Iran and Saudis both destroy each others oil infrastructure Saudis are in more trouble, because most of their state budget is based on oil, Iran's isnt. blockhead GCC arabs put all their economic "eggs" in 1 basket..smh. how unstrategic.


You're a bad adviser then, because you are giving them BAD advice because Saudis have 0 chance of beating Iran so why start what you cant win? Did the active Yemen war not teach you anything about Saudi military capabilities? The Saudis are too incompetent to do so, and even if they can, they wont be effective. You and i know this already.


Offcourse note. it has put effective deterrence in place to protect it.


And it has prevented any from doing so.


Saudis lack coherent, long term strategy(even Islamic) + incompetent military skills and organization. You're biased against Saudis. its obvious. you call their incompetence and inabilities "lack of leadership backbone". thats an oversimplification and pathetic excuse to protect the useless. its more than just that.


How can they respond when even daddy US hasnt responded yet? 1st things first Bro. If US cant respond, saudis are DEFINITELY not responding. Wake up from your dream man. They've always been under blackmail, Iran just hadnt translated the blackmails into action.

You're parroting the same stuff you always do. Bottomline, if Iranians were as confident as you guys make them out to be, they would claimed the attack on the Saudi oil facility. The reality is they don't consider Saudi's as weak as you guys do and they don't want to lose 40 years of progress and they know such a war will be hard to end.

 

[925boy]

You're parroting the same stuff you always do. Bottomline, if Iranians were as confident as you guys make them out to be, they would claimed the attack on the Saudi oil facility. The reality is they don't consider Saudi's as weak as you guys do and they don't want to lose 40 years of progress and they know such a war will be hard to end.

There is no need for Iran to claim anything. what value does that have? Saudis oil facilities got shut down and so did their oil production. LIke i've been saying- you keep talking, Iran keeps doing. You Saudi lovers keep being "right" only in theory and in PDF. In the real world you guys are so afraid and daddy America wont save you all now. Some of you have run to Israel for security and you've realized ISrael doesnt have stamina or reach, and even when it does, US help is always there. Keep living in your fantasy land!! I actually believe Iran can be shut down, but no countries are doing so effectively, thats why i know US cant win the struggle with Iran, because if it could, Iran and US would already have "sorted" their disagreement out..thats the truth!

 

[skyshadow]

You're parroting the same stuff you always do. Bottomline, if Iranians were as confident as you guys make them out to be, they would claimed the attack on the Saudi oil facility. The reality is they don't consider Saudi's as weak as you guys do and they don't want to lose 40 years of progress and they know such a war will be hard to end.

its real brother ask anyone we have too much radars i can show you but some thing tells me its wast of time???

and i never said SA is weak not even ones

 

[Falcon29]

There is no need for Iran to claim anything. what value does that have? Saudis oil facilities got shut down and so did their oil production. LIke i've been saying- you keep talking, Iran keeps doing. You Saudi lovers keep being "right" only in theory and in PDF. In the real world you guys are so afraid and daddy America wont save you all now. Some of you have run to Israel for security and you've realized ISrael doesnt have stamina or reach, and even when it does, US help is always there. Keep living in your fantasy land!! I actually believe Iran can be shut down, but no countries are doing so effectively, thats why i know US cant win the struggle with Iran, because if it could, Iran and US would already have "sorted" their disagreement out..thats the truth!

We are talking about Iranian confidence to wage war on Saudi's, it's not as high as you guys make it out to be. Prove me otherwise. I gave my points.

I'm no 'Saudi lover' and I'm not afraid of Iran. This isn't my fight, I'm just analyzing what I see. And what I see is Iran is not confident to begin a war with Saudi's. They do want to blackmail them and try to assert their dominance with these attacks and threats, but not more than that. So far it hasn't worked with Saudi's.

its real brother ask anyone we have too much radars i can show you but some thing tells me its wast of time???

and i never said SA is weak not even ones

You are in another world brother, I am not talking about radars.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You're parroting the same stuff you always do. Bottomline, if Iranians were as confident as you guys make them out to be, they would claimed the attack on the Saudi oil facility. The reality is they don't consider Saudi's as weak as you guys do and they don't want to lose 40 years of progress and they know such a war will be hard to end.

There is no need for Iran to claim anything. what value does that have? Saudis oil facilities got shut down and so did their oil production. LIke i've been saying- you keep talking, Iran keeps doing. You Saudi lovers keep being "right" only in theory and in PDF. In the real world you guys are so afraid and daddy America wont save you all now. Some of you have run to Israel for security and you've realized ISrael doesnt have stamina or reach, and even when it does, US help is always there. Keep living in your fantasy land!! I actually believe Iran can be shut down, but no countries are doing so effectively, thats why i know US cant win the struggle with Iran, because if it could, Iran and US would already have "sorted" their disagreement out..thats the truth!

It seems to me that both of you are biased for one side: KSA and Iran respectively, and i have seen that so many times on here and even on documentaries i have watched about middle eastern current situation/conflicts. This again shows that the Middle East is dominated by KSA and Iran. They are the two main players, and so they have shaped opinions and actors from the region(and even abroad but originally from the region or Muslim world) to choose either of their side. It's quite fascinating to see, since its really a classic case of a proxy war involving lots of players and opinions shaping the perceptions of many in the region. Remains to see who will prevail at the end between these two powers.

 

[Falcon29]

It seems to me that both of you are biased for one side: KSA and Iran respectively, and i have seen that so many times on here and even on documentaries i have watched about middle eastern current situation/conflicts. This again shows that the Middle East is dominated by KSA and Iran. They are the two main players, and so they have shaped opinions and actors from the region(and even abroad but originally from the region or Muslim world) to choose either of their side. It's quite fascinating to see, since its really a classic case of a proxy war involving lots of players and opinions shaping the perceptions of many in the region. Remains to see who will prevail at the end between these two powers.

I'm not really biased to either. Though I share same ethnic and religious background with Saudi's. I don't appreciate Iran's sectarian motivations. That being said, it is not affecting my analysis. I said always that Saudi's will get beat out by Iran in the initial phase of the year. But, once that phase comes to pass, it gets worse and worse for Iran. That's my personal perspective.

 

[skyshadow]

We are talking about Iranian confidence to wage war on Saudi's, it's not as high as you guys make it out to be. Prove me otherwise. I gave my points.

I'm no 'Saudi lover' and I'm not afraid of Iran. This isn't my fight, I'm just analyzing what I see. And what I see is Iran is not confident to begin a war with Saudi's. They do want to blackmail them and try to assert their dominance with these attacks and threats, but not more than that. So far it hasn't worked with Saudi's.



You are in another world brother, I am not talking about radars.

you said SA must do what Iran did and humiliate them well i'm saying the possibility of that is very very low as Iran has a lot of radars

 

[Falcon29]

you said SA must do what Iran did and humiliate them well i'm saying the possibility of that is very very low as Iran has a lot of radars

I said Saudis should strike some naval assets of Iran, even if minor ones, and they are perfectly capable of that. Radars won't prevent that.

 

[925boy]

It seems to me that both of you are biased for one side: KSA and Iran respectively, and i have seen that so many times on here and even on documentaries i have watched about middle eastern current situation/conflicts. This again shows that the Middle East is dominated by KSA and Iran. They are the two main players, and so they have shaped opinions and actors from the region(and even abroad but originally from the region or Muslim world) to choose either of their side. It's quite fascinating to see, since its really a classic case of a proxy war involving lots of players and opinions shaping the perceptions of many in the region. Remains to see who will prevail at the end between these two powers.

I guess you're comments are quite accurate.

I do agree ME is a regional struggle via proxies and asymmetrical warfare methods. At the end of the day, i like to call things as they are. If Iran takes a hit or loss, i can admit it, and i often do here. I'm more than happy to accept whatever the results of this struggle is.