Thank you for the laughI think that both the Israelis & Palestinians need sit down with the UN and broker a permanent peace treaty that's mutually beneficial.
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Thank you for the laughI think that both the Israelis & Palestinians need sit down with the UN and broker a permanent peace treaty that's mutually beneficial.
Timeline of Iranian history according to regime change people:
-Cyrus wrote the UN human rights charter and freed the Jews (which means Iran is an historical friend of Israel and must support Israel)
-Sassanids killed some Muslim Arabs
-Fast forward 1500 years (Nothing to see here)
-Reza Pahlavi claims the throne and copy pastes Europe onto Iran.
-His tolerant son continues his fathers work of bringing prosperity and liberty to Iran.
-Foreign Islamists take control and institute islamic law, which was completely alien to Iranian society prior to 1979.
-The Islamists randomly choose to fight the Americans and benevolent Israelis without any reason
Timeline of Iranian history according to regime change people:
-Cyrus wrote the UN human rights charter and freed the Jews (which means Iran is an historical friend of Israel and must support Israel)
-Sassanids killed some Muslim Arabs
-Fast forward 1500 years (Nothing to see here)
-Reza Pahlavi claims the throne and copy pastes Europe onto Iran.
-His tolerant son continues his fathers work of bringing prosperity and liberty to Iran.
-Foreign Islamists take control and institute islamic law, which was completely alien to Iranian society prior to 1979.
-The Islamists randomly choose to fight the Americans and benevolent Israelis without any reason
As I mentioned before..these two "I love Iran so much I want it to be bombed" individual accounts have been activated again..one is in Canada and the other one is in Albania..put them together they read (Dariush shah!!!!)..lol
The more sane Iranians have left this forum. It is a total freak show dominated by foreigners with no ties to Iran at all. funnily enough the actual hezbollahi Iranians (inside Iran) do admit the tremendous amount of mismanagement and corruption yet users with Anguillian, Tunisian, Pakistani,Canadian and French flags who even refuse to call Persian gulf by its proper name are ''concerned'' for Iran.
Because there is an entity that keeps the flow of resources ongoing to prolong this conflict in order to hold on to power and be in a ''constant struggle''.
Picture of parliament is out of context but sharing such pictures in governmental news websites are questionable !
So I want Iran to be a first rate country, with a GPD in the top ten, be able to trade with every country openly and the average Iranian to have high living standards, but I'm an Iran hater in your mind. You & others who support the current policies, which are impoverishing tens of millions of Iranians are the pro Iranians. okay sure kid.
Even if we go by your own claims, 30% at the least are living below the poverty line. This despite the fact that before the Rials recent plummet,
government officials stated that the majority are living below the poverty line.
Again people whose arguments don't have any validity often resort to name calling & labelling. That's pretty much the best you can do.
I don't know why the Palestinians even bother. Israel always retaliates & kills 10x as many Palestinians. I think that both the Israelis & Palestinians need sit down with the UN and broker a permanent peace treaty that's mutually beneficial.
GDP growth is not necessarily the exclusive be all and end all for guaranteeing acceptable living standards. Also trading with every country openly is not a sine qua non pre-condition for prosperity.
Who told you we have no objections against current economic policies? Personally, I shared several videos from Jedaal for instance, where economic policy is discussed and criticized, and constructive proposals for betterment made. "Regime change" definitely doesn't fall under this category - it's a recipe for permanent pauperization of the Iranian people, in addition to tons of additional horrendous calamities it would bring upon them.
Incomes were raised as well.
Source?
The latest data from authoritative institutions puts the poverty rate at 30,5%, this is therefore the figure to go by. A legacy of the western-appeasing Rohani administration. So much for the supposed "benefits" of giving up a principled policy of Resistance in vain hopes of sanctions relief. Gaddafi and Libya being another case in point.
Have you researched what's actually going on on the economic front in Iran? The different points of view on how to solve the issue of inflation, who advocates what type of response and why, where the government stands on the question?
Because one thing's for sure, of the cursory and deeply flawed, slogan-like pseudo-analyses spewed by foreign mainstream media and by the exiled opposition, none will provide any useful insight into the topic.
Want to learn a thing or two about the stakes and the technicalities to form a properly informed opinion, focus on local Iranian media, including dissident voices which do not adhere to the dominant monetarist theory. If that's not accessible enough, watch Jedaal's presentations where economists from Iran are invited as guest speakers.
The Palestinians tried that already with the Oslo Accords. Tel Aviv however showed its lack of interest in a just and viable peace process.
You are bothered by the justice of the Palestinian resistance. Fits well with your hatred of Iran and love for the Zionists.
I didn't say that GDP growth is necessarily the exclusive be all and end all for guaranteeing acceptable living standards. I said that I want Iran to be in the top ten in terms of GDPs. All the countries in the top 10 have acceptable living standards and all of them openly trade with the rest of the world.
Again if Iran cannot trade with the USA which has the largest economy in the world & the EU which has the 2nd largest economy in the world, it cannot compete with countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey or others on a level playing field.
Under the current policies Iran cannot live up to its full economic potential. It's literally impossible. The SWIFT sanctions won't even allow Iran to reach its full economic potential with India / China.
Incomes might have risen (nominally) but if you consider inflation then no.
In 1975 the GDP per capita was $1600. In 2023 terms, considering inflation that's $9000. By the way, that valuation is based on North American inflation rates over the years. If you consider Iranian inflation rates, it's much higher than $9000. As for now, 2021 GDP per capita was approx $4000. Now with the recent devaluation of Iran's currency, it's significantly lower than that.
From that I've read one third of the population is living in extreme poverty. The number living below the poverty line, especially with the recent devaluation of the currency is higher than that. But alright let's assume that you're right and that the previous statements by government officials were completely wrong. Let's assume that it's around 30%, even though the economic situation continues to worsen.
That means that 1 in 3 Iranians is living below the poverty line. That's atrocious and unacceptable for a country as resource rich as Iran.
The question is, is the trade off worth it ? Are the sanctions, the price being paid by average Iranians, worth the reward ? Right now 2% of Iran's energy grid is powered by nuclear energy & Iran does not have nuclear weapons. Even if Iran acquired nuclear weapons, it might lead to military retaliation & even if Israel/US are bluffing, it would lead to all the regional powers in the middle east acquiring nuclear arms, so would Iran really be safer ? Honestly if 20-30% of Iran's energy grid was being powered by nuclear energy the government might be able to justify it, but not with a minuscule 2%.
At the same time, the whole fixation with liberating Palestine is completely irrational. Iran does not not share borders with Israel. Israel bombs Iranian proxies in Syria, their positions & weapons shipments at will without having to worry about any retaliation. What is the end goal ? Is Iran going to liberate Palestine ? No that's honestly laughable. Is Hezbollah going to do it ? Well the economic situation in Lebanon is worse than even Iran's so no.
Defending territory is one thing but going on the offensive is another matter completely. The Israelis have a formidable air force, potent air defenses, the best intelligence & an all around formidable military and they're backed by the US & NATO, which field the most powerful military on the planet. As for Syria, well Assad can't even dispose of Al Nusra in the north & he doesn't even have the balls to retaliate against the Israelis or Americans occupying 1/3rd of his country.
Again was is the average Iranian getting in exchange for this policy ?
The chances of liberating Palestine are... well let's say just that a snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than Iran has of liberating Palestine. But even if it did happen, what would Iranians tangibly gain from it ?
During the Iran-Iraq war the Palestinians sided with Saddam
we all know that if the tables were turned that the Palestinians wouldn't give Iranians 1 penny.
The entire policy is pointless & ruinous for Iran.
It's honestly not that complicated. The current economic policies implemented by the powers that be have failed and it's plain for everyone to see. All the nonsense rhetoric won't change the facts, the economy continues to deteriorate & peoples living standards continue to worsen.
Every time Palestinians target Israel, the Israelis strike back ten times harder with precision. The Palestinian casualty rates are literally 10x higher than Israelis.
I'm just being realistic and stating facts, The "struggle" vs Israel is futile and ineffective.
Both sides would be better off brokering a peace agreement.
Saying that doesn't make me anti Iranian. Palestinians are not even Iranian & they don't care very much about Iranians. Backing the Palestinian cause is one of the reasons why Iran is impoverished.
He does make a point, but either way there's going to be a massive retaliation now.
Like someone cares of an umpteenth biased pro-NATO "Expert military" twitter account claims and percentages took from nowhereI reckon the possibility of a Russian false flag is pretty darn high on this one.... maybe around 65%. 25% - Ukraine deliberate just want to send a warning 10% - Russian did something to it.