Iranian Chill Thread

[jauk]

Gas consumption in Iran is so high because of super cheap prices..Here in Eastern Canada I heat my house with propane and I pay 0.85 cents per liter.
I have read that price of gas in Iran is so cheap that Iranians when they overheat their houses they do not bother to lower the thermostat...they open the windows!!!!.Iranians pay 5 cents/liter for petroleum, almost nothing for electricity and almost nothing for natural gas....All subsidized by Government..This unnatural system of subsidizing consumer is crazy...I was hoping Raisi Government will do something about that but nothing yet...not even gradual increase..crazy.

This is a photo of Greek fence along their border with Turkey...I suggest Iran to plan similar fences along our Eastern borders ...Illegal Immigration will eventually bite Iran hard if you do not do anything about it.... Mullahs of Iran are creating a slow cooking problem for Iran and can not see it..

The Iranian society is entitled by history and culture. I’m not judging but the way I see it western type of stringent fiscal policies will probably backlash. The best way to counter this is significant productivity increases. That means nuch better management and significant increase in automation. Changes in society itself is nice but not immediately practicable.

 

[Stryker1982]

I suspect part of that is because this clown was able to "buy" himself a dual citizenship,something that iran doesnt recognize anyway,so "technically" he was [past tense ] a uk citizen.
In reality of course its simply just another part of the recent propaganda war against iran over its supplying of weapons to russia.

Also, I believe he is guilty since it takes alot of effort to do a counter-intel operation like that, and it wouldn't make sense to do it unless they were serious and was certain he is guilty. He was selling secrets and probably got some people killed as well like Roshan and other nuclear scientists. Or at least identified them to foreign intel, Very bad when people like this get to very high positions. No wonder things keep leaking out, theirs like a dime a dozen of these guys out there.

 

[aryobarzan]

Also, I believe he is guilty since it takes alot of effort to do a counter-intel operation like that, and it wouldn't make sense to do it unless they were serious and was certain he is guilty. He was selling secrets and probably got some people killed as well like Roshan and other nuclear scientists. Or at least identified them to foreign intel, Very bad when people like this get to very high positions. No wonder things keep leaking out, theirs like a dime a dozen of these guys out there.

According to Iranian papers..he was caught spying a year or two after his first contacts with mi6 but let go promising not to continue...(my interpretation he was turned into double agent!!)..after few years of activity Iran brought him in and arrested him ..he was no longer useful..MI 6 paied him lots of $$ . The true story is probably much more complicated...but MI 6 is very upset..lol

 

[WudangMaster]

 

[DoubleYouSee]

خودرو و پالایشی چند برابر شده داداش
مگر اینکه کسی سهام های غیر بنیادی نگه داشته باشه
دلار ۵۰ درصد هم رشد نکرده

بعد بورس تو دنیا همه جا ۳۰ درصد حدودا ریخته

ابتدای سال دلار ۲۲تومن بود الان ۴۱تومن که این حدود ۱۰۰درصد افزایش دلار بوده.خوب برای بقیه کالاها هم همینه در واقع هیچ چیز گرون نشده عملا ارزش پولمون نصف شده.درمورد سهام هم که یک کالا بانقدشوندگی بالا هستش همینطوره.بورس رشدی نداشته این صرفا کاهش ارزش ریال هستش.

 

[Shawnee]

ابتدای سال دلار ۲۲تومن بود الان ۴۱تومن که این حدود ۱۰۰درصد افزایش دلار بوده.خوب برای بقیه کالاها هم همینه در واقع هیچ چیز گرون نشده عملا ارزش پولمون نصف شده.درمورد سهام هم که یک کالا بانقدشوندگی بالا هستش همینطوره.بورس رشدی نداشته این صرفا کاهش ارزش ریال هستش.

خودرو ای ها و پالایشی چند برابر شده
شاخص خیلی بالا نرفته به علت سهام های خرد

 

[OldTwilight]

قرار بود با قطع دسترسی مردم به شبکه های اجتماعی ، همه مشکلات حل بشه ....

ولی زمستان سختی داریم و تابستان گرم ....

کدوم کس خیلی کل شهرها رو گاز کشی می کنه که هم خطر جانی داشته باشد و هم خطر زیست محیطی ....

اینم عاقبت مدیریت کشور به سبک تامین منافع مافیاهای خودی


زمانی که دولت و حکومت با چاپ پول و بی ارزش کردن دارایی های مردم باعث شد که مردم کلا مبحث عایق بندی رو از ساختمان سازی حذف کنند ( چون پول نداشتن ) باید فکر حالتش رو هم می کرد

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

قرار بود با قطع دسترسی مردم به شبکه های اجتماعی ، همه مشکلات حل بشه ....

جامعه ی ایران همیشه یه جامعه ی باز بوده ور موقع کسی برای آزادی بیان حصار کشیده تعداد دارو دسته و گروه و قبیلهٔ زیاد شده در آخرم چیزی به مردم اضافه نشده

ولی زمستان سختی داریم و تابستان گرم ....

کدوم کس خیلی کل شهرها رو گاز کشی می کنه که هم خطر جانی داشته باشد و هم خطر زیست محیطی ....

اگه ۴ تا خارجی بیان در مورد نوع حکومت و سیر تا پیاز کشور ما نظر بدن شما توقع نداری که از این طرف چند نفر یه جواب اینجوری به سیستم اونا بدن ؟

اصل کار مشکلی نداره ولی وقتی مورد به نظر در سطح وزیر و بالاتر میرسه حتما باید اگه حرفی جائی زده می‌شه باید بر اساس یه رویه درستی اون حرف‌ها زده بشند

اینم عاقبت مدیریت کشور به سبک تامین منافع مافیاهای خودی


زمانی که دولت و حکومت با چاپ پول و بی ارزش کردن دارایی های مردم باعث شد که مردم کلا مبحث عایق بندی رو از ساختمان سازی حذف کنند ( چون پول نداشتن ) باید فکر حالتش رو هم می کرد

ساختمان هایی که الان مردم میسازند حتما اکثرا بهتر از قبل هستند ولی باز از کاری که تو کل دنیا داره می‌شه ما عقب هستیم

هرچی قیمت انرژی کم باشه دلیل برای بهتر شدن بهره وری کمتره باز اینجا باعث عقب ماندگی بیشتر می‌شه



چندین سال که یه سری دارن میگن آقا جان اگه این پول سوپسید انرژی که شما دارین میدین به خود مردم بدین خودشون بهتر میتونند مدیریت کنند و توی دراز مدت این موضوع هم توی مصرف انرژی خودش رو نشون میده هم توی پیشرفت کشور ولی باز قضیه سیاسی شده


جالبه که آبان ۹۸ موضوع اضافه شدن قیمت بنزین برای این دولت شده نقطه کوبیدن دولت قبلی !

در حالی که اصل موضوع که جبران عقب ماندگی کشور هست فراموش شده



آقای احمدی نژاد هرچیزی که هست به عاشق بودن برای چشم و ابروی آقای رفسنجانی شناخته نمی‌شه ولی همین کاری که توی ۹۸ اتفاق افتاد روچندین سال قبل اجرا کرد

همین کار رو هم آقای خاتمی باز برای بنزین انجام داد


خیلی دوست دارم نظر سنجی در مورد این که نظر مردم نسبت به این که این همه انرژی تو کشور در حال مصرف هست انجام بشه و میزان رضایت مردمی هم از اون اعلام بشه​

 

[jauk]

ok cool, this is interesting to know. Wow, those petrol prices are verry cheap.

What makes it crazy? To me, i see it as a possible Iranian version of state benefits for the Iranian citizen- to be honest with you- maaany oil and commodity rich countries struggle to properly dispense benefits to citizens, from the oil/gas/mineral wealth...but in this case it seems Iranian govt has some actually effective and deliverable methods of returning benefits to Iranian citizens that is at least partly funded by the country's natural wealth or and resources. As long as its relatively efficiently done, and its not eating up the national and state budgets inapproriately or ineffectively, then its actually ok- its just different, but its still relevant and important benefits to citizens- Islamic Republic's version of socialism? Its underlying principles are socialistic a bit IMO.


well remember someone on here or so said that Gas is used for industrial activities- Germany being the case in point- after gas from Russia via Nordstream got cut off, German industrial output started to tank..recession set in after.

Iran probably has alot of industrial production and activities going on...especially considering its resistance economy which mandates it produce alot of the important and strategic things it needs, to reduce leverage from foreign countries and foreign exchange bleeding.

Understood. But culturally waste is part and parcel of the culture too. Although the word ‘waste’ and ‘haram’ are deeply interchangeable (‘وقتتو حروم نکن’ or ‘غذا حروم شد’) it hasn’t translated in a meaningful way to action.

I also agree the Iranian population is used to these enormous governmental benefits. It’s not something I would judge although I must say it is far more so than what we we see in the West. Again not judging.

To conclude, the notion of eliminating wasteful habits really should be emphasized on by both the government and religious leadership. The opportunity cost of not implementing it is enormous

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Understood. But culturally waste is part and parcel of the culture too. Although the word ‘waste’ and ‘haram’ are deeply interchangeable (‘وقتتو حروم نکن’ or ‘غذا حروم شد’) it hasn’t translated in a meaningful way to action.

I also agree the Iranian population is used to these enormous governmental benefits. It’s not something I would judge although I must say it is far more so than what we we see in the West. Again not judging.

To conclude, the notion of eliminating wasteful habits really should be emphasized on by both the government and religious leadership. The opportunity cost of not implementing it is enormous

Of all the places that you should be judgemental, one of them is a freaking forum.other ones are schools and universities, otherwise what's the point ? gather here and there and hold each other hands ?

Some people in some countries are having it hard ? yes but if you want to really help them, the proper response is saying something and doing something about it not putting your faith on your hopes and prays.


On issue of cheap energy it created more comfort for the wealthy compared to middle income and poor people.

 

[aryobarzan]

Inflation in Iran is at around 40%...so lets break it down to its 8 category that drive the inflation .These 8 categories are inflation drivers as measured to calculate inflation:

• 1- Food prices
• 2- Shelter (housing prices or rent)
• 3-Household operations (heating,Taxes,water costs)
• 4-furnishings and equipment prices
• 5-Transportation costs (Auto prices,fuel prices)
• 6-Health and personal care costs
• 7-Recreation costs
• 8-Education costs

keeping in mind that "energy" is the basis of producing most of these items. Energy (petroleum,Gas,electricity) is dirt cheap in Iran and most of these 8 items are produced in Iran ..the question is why inflation is at 40%!! it makes no sense..yes there are not enough of them for now (Housings or autos) but this can not create such a high 40% inflation.

So again why inflation is at 40% in Iran..my only answer as another PDF member pointed out:

It is the declining value of Iranian currency ...and that decline only happens when you create too much "Rials" out of the thin air!...somebody is printing money in Iran ..if it is not central bank then who!

 

[jauk]

Inflation in Iran is at around 40%...so lets break it down to its 8 category that drive the inflation .These 8 categories are inflation drivers as measured to calculate inflation:

• 1- Food prices
• 2- Shelter (housing prices or rent)
• 3-Household operations (heating,Taxes,water costs)
• 4-furnishings and equipment prices
• 5-Transportation costs (Auto prices,fuel prices)
• 6-Health and personal care costs
• 7-Recreation costs
• 8-Education costs

keeping in mind that "energy" is the basis of producing most of these items. Energy (petroleum,Gas,electricity) is dirt cheap in Iran and most of these 8 items are produced in Iran ..the question is why inflation is at 40%!! it makes no sense..yes there are not enough of them for now (Housings or autos) but this can not create such a high 40% inflation.

So again why inflation is at 40% in Iran..my only answer as another PDF member pointed out:

It is the declining value of Iranian currency ...and that decline only happens when you create too much "Rials" out of the thin air!...somebody is printing money in Iran ..if it is not central bank then who!

The counterpoint to inflation is production which absorbs currency. Both sides need to be addressed.

As for the price of energy, if it’s devalued (I.e cheap) then that actually contributes to inflation. No?

Thinking about this more at macro, it seems western fiscal policy is being implemented within a political-cultural system that can’t work with it.

Of all the places that you should be judgemental, one of them is a freaking forum.other ones are schools and universities, otherwise what's the point ? gather here and there and hold each other hands ?

Some people in some countries are having it hard ? yes but if you want to really help them, the proper response is saying something and doing something about it not putting your faith on your hopes and prays.


On issue of cheap energy it created more comfort for the wealthy compared to middle income and poor people.

My point is that I cannot approach these issues with western fiscal semantics and policy. Under their system this top down command economic policy is contrary. As such, given in Iran it is not carried out exactly that way, and ‘that way’ is actually pretty awful, it does not make it wrong. Ergo I can’t judge.

 

[aryobarzan]

Snow covers most of Iran

 

[Shawnee]

Snow covers most of Iran

تا باشه زمستان سخت

 

[Shawnee]

Inflation in Iran is at around 40%...so lets break it down to its 8 category that drive the inflation .These 8 categories are inflation drivers as measured to calculate inflation:

• 1- Food prices
• 2- Shelter (housing prices or rent)
• 3-Household operations (heating,Taxes,water costs)
• 4-furnishings and equipment prices
• 5-Transportation costs (Auto prices,fuel prices)
• 6-Health and personal care costs
• 7-Recreation costs
• 8-Education costs

keeping in mind that "energy" is the basis of producing most of these items. Energy (petroleum,Gas,electricity) is dirt cheap in Iran and most of these 8 items are produced in Iran ..the question is why inflation is at 40%!! it makes no sense..yes there are not enough of them for now (Housings or autos) but this can not create such a high 40% inflation.

So again why inflation is at 40% in Iran..my only answer as another PDF member pointed out:

It is the declining value of Iranian currency ...and that decline only happens when you create too much "Rials" out of the thin air!...somebody is printing money in Iran ..if it is not central bank then who!

Iranian currency is inherently a severely inflationary asset due to policy of money printing.

People have to diversify into industry and agriculture and commodities and real estate.

You should not have a saving account EVER.