Iranian Chill Thread

[ahaider97]

@LeGenD @waz @Irfan Baloch @Amaa'n @WebMaster

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I have him on the ignore, I don't get his notifications.

 

[ahaider97]

Don't know about the supposed ban. All I will say, however, is this: the advert is not conforming to our Iranian culture and traditions, given that they stress modesty, decency, hayā, nāmus. Pay attention to how I state Iranian culture, not just Islamic principles (these of course too). We could add Zoroastrian values to the list, it would hold every bit as true.

For this production very clearly consists in suggestive pornography, no more and no less. From starts to finish, it metaphorically depicts a sexual act as well as foregoing flirtations, by replacing a male sexual organ with an ice cream bar. The female's winking to the suggested sidecar passenger (incarnated by the ice cream cooler), her look down (as if onto the sexual organ of the man) and then up (since there's nothing on the seat at that elevation, what else is the target of her glance supposed to be other than the imaginary man's face?), the fact that she stops the car in a deserted place, her extreme libidinous looks, the very meaningful body language and gestures, and of course the way in which she consumes the product - no normal person under regular circumstances will eat an ice-cream this way, and you and I both know which sexual practice it is supposed to simulate.

Another thing to be aware of about this shameful piece, it's part of a series of adverts manufactured by foreign companies for distribution on "social media" exclusively. Since they would never receive authorization for screening on national television, and since many of these are deliberately trespassing the limits of decency as well as violating Iranian laws, especially due to their sexualized nature, this is the apparent loophole their authors are attempting to exploit. It also shows us how foreign capitalist corporations are involved knee deep in the organized cultural subversion of Iranian society, in the effort to uproot and destroy Iranian families, to corrupt Iranian youth etc, orchestrated by the zio-American empire and its traitorous local collaborators. The clip in question is not that new and was met with protests from great numbers of Iranian citizens right upon its release.

So I think we should be in agreement about the implicit but highly obvious sexual nature of this advert. Now like it or not, our culture strictly confines sexuality to the private sphere; we don't talk sex in public, we don't accomplish sexually laden acts in front of strangers and nā-mahram folk including relatives. It has been so before the arrival of Islam as well. We don't want this rampant and crushing sexualization of the social sphere characteristic of freemason- and zionist-controled western regimes, which is a direct threat to the mental well being of our children as well, to be introduced in Islamic Iran. I don't want my children or grandchildren to be bombarded with pornography and sexually oriented material every time they turn on the TV, every time they go out, every time they listen to a piece of music etc. Do you?

This doesn't make us "Taleban". They weren't doing this in the west either - prior to the so-called "sexual revolution" of the 1950's, which in fact was the result of a carefully planned and executed social engineering effort by the powers-to-be, amplified by the impact of the so-called student protests of 1968 along with so-called "cultural Marxism" and Freudo-Marxism, both of which represent a complete perversion of Karl Marx's revolutionary outlook by the way. Now, would you label the westerners of 60-70 years ago as "Taleban" because they wouldn't allow suggestive pornography in adverts? I doubt it.

It also has nothing to do with being religious or irreligious. Contrary to what some seem to believe, owing to an insufficiently informed, binary view of things, fervently religious people are by far not the only ones to oppose this degenerate social-cultural order imposed onto nations by western-based globalist oligarchs, by the international financial mafia, by masonic lodges and zionists. Those assuming otherwise should research present time conservative currents in the same west they tend to admire, and they'd realize there are all sorts of individuals in those movements including outright atheists.

Heck, even the intelligent left, the one which understands Marx correctly is largely on the same page as us in this regard. Because it can see how the capital, how Wall Street since 1945 is no longer on the side of social and cultural conservatism but on the contrary, is methodically promoting savage societal liberalism and deconstruction of traditional values. Hence why the conservative family father of old, with at least an outward attachment to religion has definitively given way to the figure of the pro-LGBT boho bourgeois in the new millennium.

A Marxian thinker who beautifully theorized this is the French philosopher and sociologist Michel Clouscard, who was noted for a powerful critique of what he termed libertarian liberalism (as opposed to the socially conservative liberalism read capitalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries). Clouscard to me is simply one of the brightest thinkers of the past century.

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A key concept he introduced was that of capitalism of seduction, explaining how post-WW2 capitalists started favoring a model based on cultural permissiveness. In the sense that the act of consumption itself became similar to the satisfaction of a sexual desire, that the new consumer goods released by capitalists were marketed as "cool" and "sexy", appealing to the rebellious youth (like denim trousers etc), that advertising strategies increasingly delved into eroticism, nowadays even explicit or suggestive pornography.

To my knowledge Clouscard's publications, quite astonishingly, haven't been translated into English (I wonder why... not), but those who wish to widen their intellectual horizon really, and I mean really ought to read the following paper discussing the work of this brilliant author:

Michel Clouscard, The Capitalism of Seduction – Rébellion 46 – February 2011

At the end of the 1970s, Michel Clouscard debuted an analysis of the phenomena arising from triumphant liberalism. His approach was clearly a response to the PCF’s (then locked into a dogmati…

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In truth, what we're witnessing today is an existential battle between those who believe in either a traditionally rooted religion or who believe in natural law (the latter can be agnostics, atheists etc) on the one hand, and those who don't and will automatically embrace whatever the west's ruling elites, capitalists and their local fifth columns will introduce in terms of cultural standards on the other hand.

Back to Iran, I'm still to read up on what decision was taken and by which institution since in most cases like these, narratives peddled by the western-dominated mainstream media happen to be non-factual and fallacious. In my view there needs to be a law that prohibits sexual references and simulated sexual acts in media productions in Iran; this would seem more efficient than banning females from appearing in audiovisual advertising. Again this seems extremely urgent to me, since liberals in the Iranian film industry have sneakily started injecting inappropriate sexual innuendo into productions such as TV series watched by a large amount of viewers including children (in one comedy series, an implied joke about the length of male genitals could even be witnessed a few years ago).

So if Iranian authorities truly take the necessary steps to put an end to this dangerous trend, I will salute it a million times. If they take the required measures, ya haqq. I see two issues: one, authorities have tended to become a little soft in these matters. And second, too many laws and regulations in Iran are hardly being enforced in practice. Let's hope something will be done in this regard, and soon. Prayers offered and fingers crossed!

Yeah bro, do check out the book Libido Dominandi.

The author begins this story from the disbanding of Jesuits and the formation of Illuminati and its spread among the masonic lodges, shortly after the French Revolution occurs. The author doesn't establish a causal relationship but points out that the French Revolutionary ideology shares similarities with the thoughts of Illuminati. He then starts to trace the evolution of this thought in various figures. I haven't completed it yet so let's see where the author takes this thread.

Now the authenticity of all of this might be questionable but the idea that human passions create unrest, appears obvious. The author argues that these passions are also the best form of social and political control, I'm still a bit confused over this aspect.

Why is that, that in the current zeitgeist, the word progress is synonymous with moral degeneracy? Are there really nefarious forces trying to uproot any form of moral discipline from society? Most would dismiss this as conspiracy talk. But in Islam, satan is very real.

 

[SalarHaqq]

I have him on the ignore, I don't get his notifications.

Thanks for letting me know. It's the alert spam that's problematic, because it drowns out all the actually useful notifications. I'll put the clown on ignore too, excellent idea.

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are you aware that judiciary medicine report point the finger toward police force as the party responsible for death because of their oversight in training their personnel in Basic Life Support and lack of necessary equipment to provide basic care in that facility . it say the cause of death was the lack of effective CPR before the EMS reach to the scene and loosing those precious first minutes

So you're comparing this with violent assault? Because that's what user sha ah was suggesting. Kindly stick to the thread of the discussion.

those minority was 10s of thousands and those you say brainwashed were actually hostage to them and are still hostage to them thanks to brilliant idea of shipping them to idlib instead of killing them for their crimes

And, what are you trying to say here? That enemy propaganda has had no impact on them? That they're in the majority?

do they teach alternative video ,

What's that?

do they allow foreign media ,

Have western so-called "democracies" allowed Iranian media to operate unhindered to the same extent as their own streamlined mainstream media controlled by a handful of corporations dominated by oligarchs? Are Google & company not censoring search results from the likes of Russia Today?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

That's without mentioning the journalists NATO regimes and their intelligence agencies have murdered, such as Maya Nasser or Serena Shim who were working for Press TV. The former got shot by a sniper in 2012, the latter killed in a staged car accident in 2014 before she could unveil how trucks supposed to carry humanitarian aid into Syria were in fact transporting weapons to arm terrorists grouplets with.

do they allow social media

فیلترینگ دائمی اینستاگرام و واتساپ تایید شد ؛ تیر خلاصی به قلب کارآفرینان اینترنتی؟ - تکراتو

دادستان کل کشور در اظهارات جدید خود به نوعی بر فیلترینگ دائمی اینستاگرام و واتساپ صحه گذاشت تا آخرین امیدهای کسب‌و‌کارهای اینترنتی نیز ناامید شود.

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Not relevant, as there's no efficient national filtering system in Iran and VPN's are sold freely.

it clearly show the situation here .

The situation is that the Iranian media landscape is featuring an extensive variety of competing views and orientations.

This is illustrated by recent discussions on the dress code and the demise of Mahsa Amini, we are witnessing free expression of opposite opinions across the board. Media such as Etemad Online and Fars News for instance, are literally worlds apart in their reporting on these topics. National television broadcasted live debates with participants from different political camps, who voiced strongly contradictory comments.

otherwise there is no satellite

There are dish antennas everywhere in Iran.

But in fact there shouldn't, because no country in the world is being subjected to comparable volumes of propaganda and psy-ops at the hands of immensely resourceful existential enemies, through those very satellite broadcasts among others.

Judging by their repressive reaction against dissident journalists who refuse to toe the NATO line on Ukraine (and even against their uninvolved relatives), it's quite obvious western regimes would have downright muzzled any and all media and would have imposed the heaviest sanctions on the slightest dissent, had they been facing similarly pressing security threats as Islamic Iran.

So Iran is objectively speaking and with regards to geopolitical circumstances, granting much higher levels of freedom of speech.

no alternative news source ,

There are countless different types of news sources available in Iran.

no anything else if you don't believe in the curriculum of school you can't go to an alternate school , previously private schools had more variety of activities aside form the necessary curriculum , they made that illegal and those school are not allowed to have those activities anymore ,

Private schools aren't usually accessible to the broader masses due to the fees they charge. So this is hardly having an impact.

if you want to publish a book which is against the actual narrative of government then you are not allowed to do that .

Books critical of government policies are published all the time.

if you want to waste your time on social media you are not allowed as all of them are filtered an..........

Absent a National Internet system physically separable from the global internet, the filtering is ineffectual. Millions of Iranians are wasting their time on so-called "social media" right now as we speak.

you knew what i mean , don't play these games with me . in other countries a private school is allowed to have extra programs , here its not .

Quite frankly, your denial of the vivacity of contradictory public debate in Iranian society and media, is what I'd call a rhetoric game.

 

[ahaider97]

Thanks for letting me know. It's the alert spam that's problematic, because it drowns out all the actually useful notifications. I'll put the clown on ignore too, excellent idea.

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So you're comparing this with violent assault? Because that's what user sha ah was suggesting. Kindly stick to the thread of the discussion.



And, what are you trying to say here? That enemy propaganda has had no impact on them? That they're in the majority?



What's that?



Have western so-called "democracies" allowed Iranian media to operate unhindered to the same extent as their own streamlined mainstream media controlled by a handful of corporations dominated by oligarchs? Are Google & company not censoring search results from the likes of Russia Today?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

That's without mentioning the journalists NATO regimes and their intelligence agencies have murdered, such as Maya Nasser or Serena Shim who were working for Press TV. The former got shot by a sniper in 2012, the latter killed in a staged car accident in 2014 before she could unveil how trucks supposed to carry humanitarian aid into Syria were in fact transporting weapons to arm terrorists grouplets with.



Not relevant, as there's no efficient national filtering system in Iran and VPN's are sold freely.



The situation is that the Iranian media landscape is featuring an extensive variety of competing views and orientations.

This is illustrated by recent discussions on the dress code and the demise of Mahsa Amini, we are witnessing free expression of opposite opinions across the board. Media such as Etemad Online and Fars News for instance, are literally worlds apart in their reporting on these topics. National television broadcasted live debates with participants from different political camps, who voiced strongly contradictory comments.



There are dish antennas everywhere in Iran.

But in fact there shouldn't, because no country in the world is being subjected to comparable volumes of propaganda and psy-ops at the hands of immensely resourceful existential enemies, through those very satellite broadcasts among others.

Judging by their repressive reaction against dissident journalists who refuse to toe the NATO line on Ukraine (and even against their uninvolved relatives), it's quite obvious western regimes would have downright muzzled any and all media and would have imposed the heaviest sanctions on the slightest dissent, had they been facing similarly pressing security threats as Islamic Iran.

So Iran is objectively speaking and with regards to geopolitical circumstances, granting much higher levels of freedom of speech.



There are countless different types of news sources available in Iran.



Private schools aren't usually accessible to the broader masses due to the fees they charge. So this is hardly having an impact.



Gibberish. Books critical of government policies are published all the time.



Absent a National Internet system physically separable from the global internet, the filtering is ineffectual. Millions of Iranians are wasting their time on so-called "social media" right now as we speak.



The only rhetoric games I'm seeing quite frankly, are your attempts to cover up and deny the vivacity of contradictory public debate in Iranian society and media.

If you're on desktop, hover over his username, the ignore button will appear. That'll clear up your notifications.

 

[SalarHaqq]

The author begins this story from the disbanding of Jesuits and the formation of Illuminati and its spread among the masonic lodges, shortly after the French Revolution occurs. The author doesn't establish a causal relationship but points out that the French Revolutionary ideology shares similarities with the thoughts of Illuminati. He then starts to trace the evolution of this thought in various figures. I haven't completed it yet so let's see where the author takes this thread.

The French Revolution was most definitely encroached upon and shaped, if not orchestrated by freemasonry. So was the underlying philosophic current of Enlightenment. The resulting French ideology of republicanism is also intimately linked to masonic doctrines, something that's apparent in the state symbols of the successive French republican regimes. Same applies to the American revolution and the USA regime it generated. The historic government quarter in Washington D.C. is but a mosaic of freemason symbolism in terms of architecture, landmarks and urban planning.

When it comes to the French Revolution, its masonic dimension has actually been studied quite well. One can find good publications on the subject.

And indeed, the gradual subversion of Tradition was initiated prior the French Revolution already, the Jansenist plots against the Jesuit order was part of this process. Both the Vatican and the French royal court had experienced infiltration by individuals or covert societies pursuing goals not dissimilar to freemasonry.

Now the authenticity of all of this might be questionable but the idea that human passions create unrest, appears obvious. The author argues that these passions are also the best form of social and political control, I'm still a bit confused over this aspect.

Human passions are indeed an ambivalent matter. Whilst they can be misused to serve sinister agendas, they may also drive righteous movements.

Why is that, that in the current zeitgeist, the word progress is synonymous with moral degeneracy? Are there really nefarious forces trying to uproot any form of moral discipline from society? Most would dismiss this as conspiracy talk. But in Islam, satan is very real.

It is real indeed. The spiritual dimension of contemporary developments is merely blurred by the cold fog of modern technology and by what Max Weber referred to as the disenchantment of the world. The pious and the faithful will often tend to sense what lies behind the surface.

The entire modern ideology of "progressism" is marred by deviance. It is one of those inaptly named creeds (just as "liberalism" and so on), an occurrence so typical of our times. Note that what we're witnessing has been echoed in Islamic (and other monotheistic) eschatology.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

So in Iran people are tired of conservatism, and in Syria they loved the most fanatic version of it!?

No, It's not about religion, it's about brain washing. it's the work of enemy propaganda and internal traitors in both countries.

In all axis-of-resistance countries there is no compulsory hijab.

Syria:

Lebanon

Even in Iraq where many women wear hijab it's still not compulsory.

 

[Stryker1982]

In all axis-of-resistance countries there is no compulsory hijab.

Syria:

Lebanon

Even in Iraq where many women wear hijab it's still not compulsory.

They don't understand, if they followed the Lebanon model, they would be much more popular with the people.

 

[ahaider97]

The French Revolution was most definitely encroached upon and shaped by freemasonry. The resulting French ideology of republicanism is also intimately linked to masonic doctrines, something that is apparent in the state symbols of the successive French republican regimes. Same applies to the American revolution and the USA regime it generated. The historic governmental quarter in Washington D.C. is but a mosaic of freemason symbolism in terms of architecture, landmarks and urban planning.

When it comes to the French Revolution, its masonic dimension has actually been studied quite well. One can find good publications on the subject.

And indeed, the gradual subversion of Tradition was initiated prior the French Revolution already, the Jansenist onslaught against the Jesuit order was part of this process. Both the Vatican and the French royal court had experienced infiltration by individuals or covert societies pursuing goals not dissimilar to freemasonry.



Human passions are indeed an ambivalent matter. Whilst they can be misused to serve sinister agendas, they may also drive righteous movements.



It is real indeed. The spiritual dimension of contemporary developments is merely blurred by the fog of modern technology and by what Max Weber referred to as the disenchantment of the world. The pious and the faithful will often tend to sense what lies behind the surface.

The entire modern ideology of "progressism" is marred by deviance. It is one of those inaptly named dogmas, an occurrence so typical of our times. Note that what we're witnessing has been echoed in Islamic (and other monotheistic) eschatology.

Where does this all leads to and when does it end.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

"Lebanon model"

You know hordes of arabs from the Gulf states visit beirut for sex tourism throughout the year, right? Syria was the same until the war.

They don't understand, if they followed the Lebanon model, they would be much more popular with the people.

You people are such fucking hedonists, wanting make halal what Allah [SWT] made haram.

Even in Iraq where many women wear hijab it's still not compulsory.

All due respect, iraq isn't the country where they kiss women's arses non-stop either, apart from the Kurdish entity to the north.

They kept traditional gender and societal roles all throughout it's turbulent history. Iranians on the other hand fall over in their haste to simp and white knight for females and that behaviour takes many disastrous forms.

The biggest mistake you made was filling 72% of university seats with women and putting them in the workforce. Place a woman on equal footing with a man and she wants to live like a man but keep a woman's benefits too.

Guess what suffers? Femininity and society.

 

[Stryker1982]

"Lebanon model"

You know hordes of arabs from the Gulf states visit beirut for sex tourism throughout the year, right? Syria was the same until the war.

You people are such fucking hedonists, wanting make halal what Allah [SWT] made haram.


All due respect, iraq isn't the country where they kiss women's arses non-stop either, apart from the Kurdish entity to the north.

They kept traditional gender and societal roles all throughout it's turbulent history. Iranians on the other hand fall over in their haste to simp and white knight for females and that behaviour takes many disastrous forms.

My reference to Lebanon model was refering to hezbollah. Are you going to now say hezbollah is a hedonist because it doesn't enforce mandatory hijab or other rules in South Lebanon?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

I was an Islamic fundamentalist from the age of 14. Blame the parents, not the youth.

Gabars and their karkasparasti are to blame.

You said gabars bought your lands after Indian government initiated land reform (to combat feudalism of the "zamindars" for the sake of social justice). I think it was a fair game and you should stop complaining about something happed in the past for the sake of social justice and your country.

I'm from khan background, we were local rules in south of Iran and had lands as well, but we lost that privilege. Reza Khan/Shah forced central rule upon all Iranians. Some khans were forced to accept the new system, some were bribed. His son finished the land reform during the "white revolution". They were far from perfect, but these actions benefited Iran and Iranians.

Mihanparast Iranians national interest first, before personal or familial or sectarian interests.
No one is to blame except failed Islamic Republic Media and Education branch. However during the last 20 years we're witnessing certain steps towards acceptance of Iranian nationalism by the government and that's a good thing. Millions of Iranian nationalists mourned Soleimani, that's the power of Iranian nationalism.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

My reference to Lebanon model was refering to hezbollah. Are you going to now say hezbollah is a hedonist because it doesn't enforce mandatory hijab or other rules in South Lebanon?

South lebanon doesn't need it in the first place because they place their religion first and foremost.

Can you say the same about Iran where everyone wears that ugly harpy-faced fravahar necklace? I doubt many under-16s even know how to recite Surah Ikhlas these days.

Don't compare peas and apples, please.

You said gabars bought your lands after Indian government initiated land reform (to combat feudalism of the "zamindars" for the sake of social justice). I think it was a fair game and you should stop complaining about something happed in the past for the sake of social justice and your country.

I'm from khan background, we were local rules in south of Iran and had lands as well, but we lost that privilege. Reza Khan/Shah forced central rule upon all Iranians. Some khans were forced to accept the new system, some were bribed. His son finished the land reform during the "white revolution". They were far from perfect, but these actions benefited Iran and Iranians.

Mihanparast Iranians national interest first, before personal or familial or sectarian interests.
No one is to blame except failed Islamic Republic Media and Education branch. However during the last 20 years we're witnessing certain steps towards acceptance of Iranian nationalism by the government and that's a good thing. Millions of Iranian nationalists mourned Soleimani, that's the power of Iranian nationalism.

I'm not complaining about land long fallen into ruin, neither in Iran nor in india. I'm complaining about karkasparasti manifesting in your minds like some sort of holy cow that you don't wish to critique but you're the first to put Allah's [SWT] laws into question.

Your faith and your national identity is not mutually exclusive - ask Mirza Koochak or Rais Ali Delavari about it. Both were die-hard Muslims and staunch Iranian nationalists.

Stop sacrificing one for the other.

 

[mohsen]

In all axis-of-resistance countries there is no compulsory hijab.

Syria:

Lebanon

Even in Iraq where many women wear hijab it's still not compulsory.

And it's Iranian religious people who have to sacrifice their lives to save the a$$ of these Hjab-less people.

that's where the enemy is concentrating.

 

[SalarHaqq]

They don't understand, if they followed the Lebanon model, they would be much more popular with the people.

When it comes to Lebanon, the fact is that this country is essentially a multi-communal one, whose fragile social cohesion entirely rests upon a delicate and permanent balancing act between a multitude of communities defined by religious denomination.

It's telling that in the picture shared above, the hejab-less lady standing between chador-clad ones, is in fact Christian (probably of Maronite confession), as can be seen from the cross pendant on her necklace.

This is the only reason why Lebanese Hezbollah dropped the idea of introducing Sharia law.

Iran's social structure is very different, with a single overwhelming religious community, the Shia Islamic one.

 

[mohsen]

They don't understand, if they followed the Lebanon model, they would be much more popular with the people.

So Americans want to make us more popular, foolish us!