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Iranian population standing at 88.52 million in 2022. It is about to hit 90 million for the first time in history. We need more younger people though. First step should be to promote larger families with economic opportunities within Iran. The second step should be to import as many ideological Shiite families of Iranic or Irano-Turkic descent inside Iran from neighboring Iranosphere countries. Candidates: Azeri Turks, Shia Turkomans, Alevis Turks, Iraqi Shiites, Kurds, Afghans, Tajiks, Bahraini, Lebanese. Third step will be to "Iranicise" them all linguistically. Its kinda happening already at some level.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/birth-rate-by-country
First step would be fixing economy situation.
Then we must be able to produce our food and water.
Then we must fix our education system. Then we can talk about big families and increasing population.

The second step should be to import as many ideological Shiite families of Iranic or Irano-Turkic descent inside Iran from neighboring Iranosphere countries. Candidates: Azeri Turks, Shia Turkomans, Alevis Turks, Iraqi Shiites, Kurds, Afghans, Tajiks, Bahraini, Lebanese.
Utter nonsense.
 
Iranian population standing at 88.52 million in 2022. It is about to hit 90 million for the first time in history. We need more younger people though. First step should be to promote larger families with economic opportunities within Iran. The second step should be to import as many ideological Shiite families of Iranic or Irano-Turkic descent inside Iran from neighboring Iranosphere countries. Candidates: Azeri Turks, Shia Turkomans, Alevis Turks, Iraqi Shiites, Kurds, Afghans, Tajiks, Bahraini, Lebanese. Third step will be to "Iranicise" them all linguistically. Its kinda happening already at some level.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/birth-rate-by-country
LOL no. Lets first take care of the true Iranics we have within our borders then go bring other Iranics.

Your fellow Iranics in the mainland itself are facing huge problems.
 
Ijtihad is a thing. If not Sayyid Ali the next person can issue a different ruling.
I am not familiar with (shia) islamic rulings etc but is it even possible to retract the fatwa due to different circumstances?
An attack on the mainland might set that off i suppose.
 
Yes a fatwa can be changed, but in this case if this ruling was issued as wali e amr then it is even easier and more justifiable to change this order.
Brother @SalarHaqq can shed more light.
Fatwa can be changed OR interpreted differently I believe. @SalarHaqq can weigh in on this. Regardless, the recent messaging from authorities pointedly omit this notion.
 
First step would be fixing economy situation.
Then we must be able to produce our food and water.
Then we must fix our education system. Then we can talk about big families and increasing population.

It's the opposite, healthy demographic growth takes precedence over specific economic challenges because:

* Demographic decline is irreversible while sectorial economic deficiencies are not.

* Demographic decline itself (and its corollary, excessive ageing of the population) is damaging to the economy much more than under-production of food or imperfections in the education system.

These two points represent academic consensus among experts in demographic studies and economists specializing on the issue, based on concrete field research. There's no denying the firm conclusions of this body of work.

* Time has run out already. Iran either acts now with radical measures in support of the family and to boost fertility rates (which the Raisi administration is doing, remains to be seen if it'll be sufficient), or in a very few decades the country will be faced with a strict binary choice:

a) either economic collapse (real collapse, i.e. nothing like any of the hardships experienced thus far), or

b) opening borders to mass immigration from culturally alien lands because potential migrants from the neighborhood, too small in numbers, are unlikely to cut it. Which in turn would imply the death of Iranian nationhood and identity (something that is actually part of the liberal globalist agenda, hence the efforts of the reformist and moderate front in Iran to prevent healthy demographic development).
 
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It's the opposite, healthy demographic growth takes precedence over specific economic challenges because:

* Demographic decline is irreversible while sectorial economic deficiencies are not.

* Demographic decline itself (and its corollary, excessive ageing of the population) is damaging to the economy much more than under-production of food or imperfections in the education system.

These two points represent academic consensus among experts in demographic studies and economists specializing on the issue, based on concrete field research. There's no denying the firm conclusions of this body of work.

* Time has run out already. Iran either acts now with radical measures in support of the family and to boost fertility rates (which the Raisi administration is doing, remains to be seen if it'll be sufficient), or in a very few decades the country will be faced with a strict binary choice:

a) either economic collapse (real collapse, i.e. nothing like any of the hardships experienced thus far), or

b) opening borders to mass immigration from culturally alien lands because potential migrants from the neighborhood, too small in numbers, are unlikely to cut it. Which in turn would imply the death of Iranian nationhood and identity (something that is actually part of the liberal globalist agenda, hence the efforts of the reformist and moderate front in Iran to prevent healthy demographic development).
Salar all of the historic events show you wrong . economy and education take precedence other wise your population wont be a producing one , they become just baby factories that burden you .
you want them for army , well they only be good as cannon fodder and militia just like Taliban , when they face an organized army they had to go and hide under the rock , you want them for industry , just look how good Afghanistan advance as an industry power house ,
what you guys envision for Iran just bring the standard of the living up to Indian levels . now a question for you how many of Indian population live on streets ?

and no its not that demographic decline is irreversible , or not the question . you must ask why the families don't have children and fix that problem , that bring back what is said are more important

and by the way the border is already wide open , what it brought us , drive in tehran street , stuck behind red light and you see what that nonsense bring shia to Iran strategy bring here
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you must decide what you want for those children you are so anxious to bring to this world
what i post above , or what i post below
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Salar all of the historic events show you wrong . economy and education take precedence other wise your population wont be a producing one , they become just baby factories that burden you .
you want them for armt , wekll they only be good as cannon fodder and militia just like taliban , when they face an organized army they had to go and hide under the rock , you want them for industry , just look how good afghanistan advance as an industry power house ,
what you guys envision for iran just bring the standard of the living up to indian levels . now a question for you how many of indian population live on streets ?
Can you reference these historical events. History is in deep question.
 
Salar all of the historic events show you wrong . economy and education take precedence other wise your population wont be a producing one , they become just baby factories that burden you .
you want them for armt , wekll they only be good as cannon fodder and militia just like taliban , when they face an organized army they had to go and hide under the rock , you want them for industry , just look how good afghanistan advance as an industry power house ,
what you guys envision for iran just bring the standard of the living up to indian levels . now a question for you how many of indian population live on streets ?
You’re manifestly incorrect. Nobody is talking about unsustainable population numbers. Note, taking your argument to it’s logical conclusion then ZERO population is the gold standard. Also note your arguments are pregnant with western liberalism.
 
You’re manifestly incorrect. Nobody is talking about unsustainable population numbers. Note, taking your argument to it’s logical conclusion then ZERO population is the gold standard. Also note your arguments are pregnant with western liberalism.
my argument is when you advertise for 5-6 even more children instead of 2-3 children that's uncontrollable growth. just look at Iran till khatamy era
when you talk about making the population twice the current level in 10-15 years that uncontrollable growths . that will lead to strain in natural resources , that lower education standard , that increase unemployment.

and no the ideal growth rate is a very slow growth rate . not zero growth rate or negative one and certainly not doubling the population in 15 years.
do you knew for start what that do to agricultural lands , how it make the farms even smaller and more ineffective , how it destroy our resources ?
 
Can you reference these historical events. History is in deep question.
uncontrollable growth that is supported now result in rapid urbanization , that lead to farmlands divided even more , it destroy food security
look at Vietnam , for example compare its south east with the rest of the country , while west of the country that don't have that overpopulation is the productive part that contribute tho the country food security
look at Haiti, how the country ecosystem is destroyed

you guys are talking about imminent danger while i see this that show Iran has a positive population growth and really can't understand cause of your concerns
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by the way wonder whats your idea about this chart about lowering CO2 emission
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