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it is related to some anatomical different in brain
you can't teach homosexuality as you can't teach sexual preference
I'm more interested in the source of your claim , than the claim itselfIn ancient Greece, every man was homosexual.... this was the norme.... every boy was brought up to see gay sex as the normal thing todo....
Sexual preference can very much be taught.
You can still see in different societies where sex with animals or children is widespred.... you think it´s the genetics that determines sexual preference or is it social norms?
In American prisons, gay sex is common.... is it because of their genetics or environment that leads to this kind of activity?
you can't teach homosexuality as you can't teach sexual preference
Sexuality is not strictly a matter of biology but also of social conditioning. The notion that so-called sexual preference including homosexuality is determined by brain structure alone is 1980's thinking. Today hardly anyone is making that claim in developed countries.
Of course in Iran (and more generally across the global south) liberals will push the old narrative about biological determinism because that's the perfect argument to use in nations where laws are still based upon traditional religious norms i.e. stipulating for strict prohibition of homosexuality. To undermine the traditional posture of society towards homosexuality, local supporters of the globalist agenda will thus resort to the said narrative (as in "these poor people, it's not their fault nor do they really have a choice, how can our laws be so cruel and discriminate against individuals for actions outside their control?").
And as soon as these restrictions are lifted, they'll then shift their discourse to constructivism in order to take aim at hetero-normativity which they will describe as a patriarchal, machismo and homophobic order resulting from structural heterosexual bias in public and private education.
At any rate, whatever an individual's predisposition, the social and cultural context will impact their behaviour. Therefore yes, these school curriculae will have an undeniable impact on those exposed to them, in the very same way as excessive sexualization through the media, omnipresent mass pornography and so on contributed to deregulation of people's sexuality; and in the same way as the western world's so-called "sexual revolution" of the 1960's was not a consequence of genetic mutation but in fact of social engineering (i.e. not even of spontaneous, logical evolution and adaptation of society, but of deliberate manipulation from above).
You misunderstand what he is saying:
He is saying without the genetic pre-disposition to homosexuality, the environment stimulus is irrelevant! You cannot force someone to be homosexual based on environment alone.
Or else Iran a country that separates genders in school up till the collegiate/university level should have one of the highest homosexuality % in the world. I mean after all, most of a child’s life is spent in school (and sleeping). If you are surrounded by ONLY the same sex for that long then hypothetically if you are correct about your environment theory then homosexuality should arise at a much greater % due to the environment than co-gender schools.
evidences point otherwise .I understood and it's incorrect. The environment can and does very well impact sexual behaviour. I cited several concrete examples and precedents to this effect.
evidences point otherwise .
Pointed him to the fact that evolution and genetics are primarily influenced by the various environments, but he's skipping it, so stopped exchanging ideas, as his goal is to make a "point" not learning.I understood well, and it's incorrect. The environment can and does very well impact sexual behaviour. I cited several concrete examples and precedents to this effect. Even gave the reason why in Iran, liberals are still stuck with a biological determinist take on homosexuality which has had no currency in the west beyond the 1970's-1980's (same liberals who otherwise are quick to adopt every dominant western discourse). It's all perfectly thought through by the imperial powers-to-be.
The pivotal factors in this regard (i.e. beyond biology) are education and cultural influences, not whom one is surrounded by per se. Otherwise, incest ought to be the single most widespread form of sexual activity because children spend most of the time with their close relatives, much more than they do with any single peer from school.
Pointed him to the fact that evolution and genetics are primarily influenced by the various environments, but he's skipping it, so stopped exchanging ideas, as his goal is to make a "point" not learning.
Remember, his first 2 posts I quoted, he denied completely environmental influence, ....
@TheImmortal
The pivotal factors in this regard (i.e. beyond biology) are education and cultural influences, not whom one is surrounded by per se. Otherwise, incest ought to be the single most widespread form of sexual activity because children spend most of the time with their close relatives, much more than they do with any single peer from school.
Your side is contradicting yourself then. Earlier some used (I don’t know if you were one of them) the “prison example” as evidence of environment. Thus based on your words is now invalid use of evidence of environment.
The prison example has always been a stupid one. These men are usually in long term sentences or life sentences. They are straight males (usually), but due to circumstances beyond their control engage in homosexual sex. Now this isn’t ALL prisoners only some. But if you gave them a choice between a woman and a man to engage in sexual relations they would almost certainly pick a woman.