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Yes, I proposed a deal with Trump if you want a lasting nuclear deal you negotiate it with a conservative that was my point.

Look at negotiations right now...Biden doesn’t even have enough political capital to lift a symbolic gesture on IRGC. Meanwhile, Trump went and stepped foot in North Korea and shook hands with Kim. You think any democrat could ever do that? No because the system in American is built for conservatives to rule.

Negotiating deals with democrats is risky. A Republican won’t rip another Republicans deal, but they will a Democrat. Why should Iran negotiate with Biden when he is on track to lose handily in re-election? Are we negotiating 4 year deals now? Then 4-8 years sanction then 4 year deal again?

Also no IRGC “officer” has authority to military support Russia without SNSC and rahbar approval. Not sure why you think the IRGC is gonna help Russia over metallurgy for the Air Force.....IRGC viewpoint on airforce and its vitality is quite clear (wether that viewpoint is right or wrong is irrelevant).


This is the man you want to negotiate with? Who designates millions of Iranians “terrorists” for serving their military duty?

Trump allowed Rouhani at G-12 summit and waited in a room for his phone call. For all his bad (and there is a lot of bad with Trump including Solemani’s assaination) he at least had the political capital to make moves from his base and could withstand the liberals.

Let’s not act like Hilary or Biden wouldn’t have assisinated Solemani. Only Obama was the one who understood that containment just won’t work on Iran and that Iran should have a spot in the Middle East power structure. He also refrained going into Syria from a false flag chemical attack done by his allies. No one else since him believes that....Trump could have cared less about it...he just wanted a deal that was “his”.

Trump let Rouhani in G20, was willing to set foot on Iran and take pictures, wait for calls :) as if these are important for Rahbar. :D

Metallurgy is a lot more important for Khamenei than kissing his feet and waiting for his call.

Yes my friend.

This mullah is a science lover. One who knows from guitar to single crystal metallurgy.
 
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Finally
Many lasting deals were made by democrats such as:

Legendary camp David which is 10 times more important than Abraham accord.

Balkan Deal still lasting

@TheImmortal
 
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Finally
Many lasting deals were made by democrats such as:

Legendary camp David which is 10 times more important than Abraham accord.

Balkan Deal still lasting

@TheImmortal

Two very different time periods.

Look at state of partisan politics for a clue.

Nonetheless your word of the day seems to be metallurgy.

Time will tell which viewpoint is correct.
 
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Two very different time periods.

Look at state of partisan politics for a clue.

Nonetheless your word of the day seems to be metallurgy.

Time will tell which viewpoint is correct.

Time shall tell. Let’s review it again on April 2023.
 
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Expect IRGC Quds force black market arms dealers are working hard. As well as arms dealers in general.

Don’t be surprised if we see Iranian Javelin, NLAW, or Switchblade clones in next 2-3 years.





You make fair points, but at the end of the day Iran negotiated with Reagan on hostages and not Carter.

In the US power structure conservatives have the power not the liberals. Yes they are Zionist supporters but so are the democrats. In fact democrats give Zionists more material support to show their Republican peers and their constitutes that they are all about the cause. But the issue here is do you plan to sign a lasting deal or an interim deal.

If you want to sign a interim deal then negotiate with democrats. Either scenario isn’t favorable, but at the end of the day geopolitics is never a zero sum game. Sacrifice will have to be made one way or another.

The supposed overtures from Biden never came to fruition, he is continuing Trump policies.
The encirclement of Mariupol is probably resulting in a few thousand losses of Ukraine most premium troops.

Don’t be surprised if we see Iranian Javelin, NLAW, or Switchblade clones in next 2-3 years.
Probably being black market sold everywhere. Wouldn't be surprised. Iran could really use a lighter weight shoulder launched anti-armour weapon besides RPG-7.
 
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With 60,000 anti-armor systems provided and maybe 14,000 anti-air shorads.

I'd expect some of them to end up in Iran. Hell, if Iran managed to get Kh-55 missiles from Ukraine and a Spike missile from Israel into Iran.. A javelin should be easy.

Many Russian units, and Chechen units have captured in-tact systems. Perhaps some of them, have or would supposedly be approached.

I don't think Quds Force would be foolish to let such opportunity to go to waste
 
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Heres an especially :rofl:hilarious:rofl: one:
According to the former zionist spy kylie moore-gilbert,whos currently plugging her new tell all book about her time spent as a "hostage" in the iranian penal system,the irgc wanted her to give them hebrew lessons!!!🤯o_O

++++++WARNING ZIONIST SOURCE++++++
Iran’s IRGC wanted to learn Hebrew, ex-hostage says

I guess we can file this one under "unbelievable zionist bullsh!t":jester:
 
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فائزه هاشمی: تنها راه بازگرداندن سپاه به پادگان‌ها باقی ماندن آن در لیست تحریم است​


Nazaret chie?
Ayande eslahat o teife hashemi ha Che khahad bud?

@Hack-Hook

سخنان موهن عجیب فائزه هاشمی علیه پیامبر اعظم(ص) + فیلم

بعد از حمایت‌های متعدد «فائزه هاشمی رفسنجانی» از تحریم‌های آمریکا علیه مردم ایران، این بار فیلمی از او در فضای مجازی منتشر شده که محتوای آن اظهاراتی موهن درباره حضرت محمد(ص) است.

به گزارش گروه سیاسی ایسکانیوز، بعد از اظهارات متعدد ضدملّی «فائزه هاشمی رفسنجانی» و حمایت‌های متعدد او از تحریم‌های آمریکا و بویژه ترامپ علیه مردم ایران، این بار فیلمی از او در فضای مجازی منتشر شده که محتوای آن اظهاراتی موهن درباره حضرت محمد(ص) است.

سخنان او بخصوص طی سال‌های اخیر همواره با واکنش‌های متعددی از سوی کاربران شبکه‌های اجتماعی مواجه شده است.

«فائزه هاشمی» پس از اظهار دوستی با عناصر فرقه ضالّه سیاس بهاییت، به همسویی با ترامپ علیه مردم ایران رسید با این حال کمتر کسی تصور می‌کرد او این کینه‌جویی‌ها را به اظهارات موهن درباره پیامبر اعظم(ص) نیز بکشاند.


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Political storm in Iran as Rafsanjani's daughter meets Bahai leader​

By Kasra Naji
BBC Persian

Published18 May 2016

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36320816

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These moderates, as well as their reformist sidekicks (who in many respects are worse even), have a similar agenda for Islamic Iran as freemasonry has had in the west: to do away with and sideline the social and political relevance of the dominant religion of the nation, one incremental step at a time, in preparation for disintegration into the messianist Noahide one-world order.

Much like masonry neutralized both Catholicism and Protestantism. And how it infiltrated the Vatican and converted it to liberal and zionist thought to the point that traditional Catholicism took refuge in movements such as sedevacantism, which consider the Pope as an impostor.

To this effect and in line with the long haul, step-by-step approach, liberals will of course have to appear as as flawlessly religious at first. And seek to justify western decadence, liberalism, feminism, homosexualism, destruction on the nuclear family structure, annihilation of the principle of filiation as well as patria potestas as basic pillars of (natural) law and societal organization, desacralization of human beings' relation to the world they're living in, no-holds-barred individualism, exacerbated materialism, pornocracy and uprooting of traditional sexual ethics, in short the entire bundle of traditional values, on a concocted pseudo-Islamic basis.

In other terms, they will try to use ejtehad and bend it to irrational degrees in order to claim that all these social and human calamities witnessed in the west, which are stemming from three to four centuries of intense social engineering by the esoterist secret society, are in fact "compatible" and even "conforming" to the spirit of Islamic precepts as well as to our local history. In reality, traditionalist forces the world over, including in the west, are our objective allies in this struggle for survival.

The enemy's creeping disruptive strategy is age-old and can be summarized by the triple instruction 'infiltration, deviation, subversion'.

Liberals endeavor to align Iran on the western "model" from ground up and in every possible respect - western model which in fact has nothing traditionally western to it, and is in fact a form of alienation imposed on the peoples of the west by an unelected, domineering, megalomaniac, sinister and criminal globalist oligarchy. Which of course aims at the dissolution of Iran and (all traditional branches of) Islam into the totalitarian, anti-specist one-world regime this cabal aims to establish.

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I bet with anyone we can get ToT for Volvo-RM12 from Sweden far sooner than Russia give us TOT for Klimov RD-33

The likelihood of Iran receiving fighter jet engines let alone transfer of technology for such an engine from any western country including Sweden, isn't superior to Russia consenting to supply RD-33 know how. The opposite is actually they case, given that Iran has been in a conflict against the US regime since the victory of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and that all western states act like vassals to Washington, whereas Tehran-Moscow relations since the fall of the Soviet Union are no longer marked by hostility.

Which doesn't mean it's probable that Russia will proceed with such a thing. But, it is doubtlessly more probable than Sweden doing so, even if we're talking 0,5% versus 0,0001% probabilities - the second figure will still be inferior to the first.

rouhani downfall was stemmed in economical situation , if Raesi fail to improve the situation then he also fail again in the next election , people who their vote decide the outcome dont care about hijab or political view .

the only person who was elected because of freedom promises was Khatami .
ahmadi-nejad come to power because people didn't want rafsanjani . rouhani come to power because of his economical promises that well let say some people were "بی بصیرت" and he failed against Raesi because he failed his promises .
Raesi won later because Rouhani failed his promises and he promised improving economy and fighting corruption , if he fail them people choose another person later. and I assure you he was not elected for anti imperialist stances , he made no such promises in the elections .and the next election also will be competition about corruption and economy . who can satisfy people in those two regard will come up. the ones who their vote decide really don't care about a piece of clothes over their head (if you walk in tehran, shiraz or isfahan (or better say any city outside Qom and Mashhad) street , you'll see how they care about that or we import fighter from west or east or .....

The only credible opinion poll to be conducted by a western institution in Iran, namely the the University of Maryland's Iran Poll organized in conjunction with a Canafian research group, showed that at the time of the 2021 presidential election a significant majority of Iranians embraced geopolitical views similar to those of the revolutionary factions including seyyed Raisi. This included deep skepticism towards the possibility of a viable negotiated deal with the US regime, as well as rejection of its oppressive policies. Raisi very much made electoral promises in the foreign policy realm, and these were obviously far removed from the western-apologetic approach preached by both moderates and reformists.

Whether or not this was an important factor in voters' choice of Raisi is up for debate, but what it shows is that the electorate was (and surely continues to be) in tune with the President's views on foreign policy including as far as Resistance against imperialist bullying is concerned.

challenge the wast for the sake of challenging the west ?

No, but because Islamic Iran and oppressive western regimes have been at cold war against one another since the pro-western monarchy was ousted by the Islamic Revolution, over 43 years ago.

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Don't be naive my friend. Trump was a bully, republicans are Zionist more than the Jews.

If Iran gave up under pressure then it would have destroyed Iran's image internationally. Trump tried to bully Iran into submission, imagine If Iran gave in. Trump be like, hey did you guys see? I was the one who made them kneel to me. Trump didn't want a deal but only humiliation of Iran in an international level. Democrats called IRGC terrorist, Trump said that Iran is a terrorist nation. He pointed to 80 million people not an specific group.

If you want to work with Republicans while keeping your national pride then you would have to break their teeth in their mouth. Then they will respect you

If you want to work with Democrats while trying to keep your pride, then you would have to behave sneaky just like them. Then they will respect you.

We have an unfinished business with Republicans.

Exactly. The mere suggestion that Iran could have reached an acceptable agreement with a maniac and false opposition, deep state muppet like Trump or any other Republican US president for that matter is simply disconnected from reality. As for the notion that the Republican party is dominating the US regime or even its foreign policy, I've no idea where it stems from. The infrastructures of the regime aren't controlled by any single on of the two ruling parties but by a bipartisan oligarchy and even more so by banksters, freemasons, zionists. Not to mention that Trump sought to portray himself as detached from his own party's old guard and elites.

Yes, the issue between Iran and the zio-American empire is indeed an existential, zero sum one. It'll be either us collectively as a nation and people who are going to be erased, or their regime (not their people). I'm directly reminded of Zarif when hearing claims to the contrary (taking issue with zero sum perceptions in international politics was one of his favorites), and we witnessed how his efforts were defeated and his convictions proven wrong by geopolitical events.

As if such proof was even needed after 43 years of an Islamic Revolution which put an end to two some 200 years of subjugation of the Iranian nation at the hands of imperial powers, more than two centuries of exploitation of the Islamic Umma and other nations of the south by those same imperialists, as well as 243 years of thoroughly blood-stained history of a regime whose very existence is founded upon the genocide of the native population of northern "America".
 
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I've already made a post regarding this issue a few pages back but the sheer number of ATGMs and anti tank / anti personnel weapons that the west have given to Ukraine is just mind boggling.

Greece: 800+ RPG-18

Sweden: 10,000 AT-4 (102mm RPG)

USA: 5000 Javelins, 1400 Stingers, 7000 other anti armor missiles

UK: 4000 MBT LAW ATGM (150mm)

Canada: 4500 M72 LAW (66mm)

Norway: 4500 M72 LAW 66mm)

Germany 1000 Panzerfaust 3 RPG (60mm) + 5000 Panzerfaust 3 donated by various other nations + Matador Recoiless Rifle (90mm) 5000+ units delivered

Spain: C30-CR (90mm) 1370

USA and Canada are both now running low on stockpiles as Ukraine is demanding that the USA send 500 Javelins a day. Now if you consider the fact that before the war Ukraine had a massive stockpile of Soviet era ATGMs numbering in the thousands and the fact that they actually produce their own modern ATGM variants, then I'm sorry but the numbers don't add up.

Just from the numbers above that's well over 40,000 units of ATGM and RPGS. Add to that Ukraine's own stockpile, modern variants and various other donations from NATO/EU nations, then we're looking at 50,000 units. I mean 50,000 units ? ? ? WTF ? ? ? How many tanks have the Ukrainians destroyed ? Even if we believe the Ukrainians themselves they couldn't have destroyed more than 800 tanks.

Keep in mind those are Ukrainian claims, probably exaggerated, and many of those are actually damaged and captured, but even if they had destroyed 1000, why do they need 50,000 units of mostly ATGMs ? remember even a Soviet era RPG can destroy trucks or armored vehicles. Heck even a well placed RPG can destroy a tank, so why 50,000 ATGM ? I have NO DOUBT in my mind that many of these are being sold in the black market. No doubt whatsoever.

Expect IRGC Quds force black market arms dealers are working hard. As well as arms dealers in general.

Don’t be surprised if we see Iranian Javelin, NLAW, or Switchblade clones in next 2-3 years.





You make fair points, but at the end of the day Iran negotiated with Reagan on hostages and not Carter.

In the US power structure conservatives have the power not the liberals. Yes they are Zionist supporters but so are the democrats. In fact democrats give Zionists more material support to show their Republican peers and their constitutes that they are all about the cause. But the issue here is do you plan to sign a lasting deal or an interim deal.

If you want to sign a interim deal then negotiate with democrats. Either scenario isn’t favorable, but at the end of the day geopolitics is never a zero sum game. Sacrifice will have to be made one way or another.

The supposed overtures from Biden never came to fruition, he is continuing Trump policies.
 
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With 60,000 anti-armor systems provided and maybe 14,000 anti-air shorads.

I'd expect some of them to end up in Iran. Hell, if Iran managed to get Kh-55 missiles from Ukraine and a Spike missile from Israel into Iran.. A javelin should be easy.

Many Russian units, and Chechen units have captured in-tact systems. Perhaps some of them, have or would supposedly be approached.

I don't think Quds Force would be foolish to let such opportunity to go to waste

The Americans and the West are rapidly depleting their own stocks just to prop up a flailing Ukrainian military.

I've already made a post regarding this issue a few pages back but the sheer number of ATGMs and anti tank / anti personnel weapons that the west have given to Ukraine is just mind boggling.

Greece: 800+ RPG-18

Sweden: 10,000 AT-4 (102mm RPG)

USA: 5000 Javelins, 1400 Stingers, 7000 other anti armor missiles

UK: 4000 MBT LAW ATGM (150mm)

Canada: 4500 M72 LAW (66mm)

Norway: 4500 M72 LAW 66mm)

Germany 1000 Panzerfaust 3 RPG (60mm) + 5000 Panzerfaust 3 donated by various other nations + Matador Recoiless Rifle (90mm) 5000+ units delivered

Spain: C30-CR (90mm) 1370

USA and Canada are both now running low on stockpiles as Ukraine is demanding that the USA send 500 Javelins a day. Now if you consider the fact that before the war Ukraine had a massive stockpile of Soviet era ATGMs numbering in the thousands and the fact that they actually produce their own modern ATGM variants, then I'm sorry but the numbers don't add up.

Just from the numbers above that's well over 40,000 units of ATGM and RPGS. Add to that Ukraine's own stockpile, modern variants and various other donations from NATO/EU nations, then we're looking at 50,000 units. I mean 50,000 units ? ? ? WTF ? ? ? How many tanks have the Ukrainians destroyed ? Even if we believe the Ukrainians themselves they couldn't have destroyed more than 800 tanks.

Keep in mind those are Ukrainian claims, probably exaggerated, and many of those are actually damaged and captured, but even if they had destroyed 1000, why do they need 50,000 units of mostly ATGMs ? remember even a Soviet era RPG can destroy trucks or armored vehicles. Heck even a well placed RPG can destroy a tank, so why 50,000 ATGM ? I have NO DOUBT in my mind that many of these are being sold in the black market. No doubt whatsoever.

Some "sources" have pointed out to a flourishing Black Market exchange of weapons going on in Ukraine due to the sheer stupid amount of armaments that are flowing in (objectively speaking, these numbers are simply staggering).

Now, my own opinion is that Russia is adequately (to some extent) destroying a fair amount of these weapons as they come in into Ukraine. We are seeing an ever increasing Russian campaign to destroy logistics assets/centers in Western Ukraine including railways which essentially facility the movement of these arms in the first place. With more attacks on the missiles/bombs/guns comes in, coupled with a vibrant Black Market fire-sale (lol). One wonders as to what exactly the Ukrainians are using against RU-Forces?

But yes, there is now a real global danger. One shutters to imagine what would happen if some unsavory groups get ahold of these weapons.
 
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Hey guys what do you think about this:

Russia, with help from Iran should send missiles, air defenses / drones to Venezuela and Cuba and refuse to remove them until the US removes weapons systems and troops away from their borders.

The Russian led CSTO (Collective Treaty Security Organization), China and Iran should sail their navy near the Gulf of Mexico to ensure safety of navigation. Let's see how the Americans like a taste of their own medicine?

After all the Americans like to sail their coast guard in the "PERSIAN" Gulf and south "CHINA" sea to ensure "safety of navigation" right ?

Let's see how they react when they get a taste of their own medicine.
 
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Hey guys what do you think about this:

Russia, with help from Iran should send missiles, air defenses / drones to Venezuela and Cuba and refuse to remove them until the US removes weapons systems and troops away from their borders.

The Russian led CSTO (Collective Treaty Security Organization), China and Iran should sail their navy near the Gulf of Mexico to ensure safety of navigation. Let's see how the Americans like a taste of their own medicine?

After all the Americans like to sail their coast guard in the "PERSIAN" Gulf and south "CHINA" sea to ensure "safety of navigation" right ?

Let's see how they react when they get a taste of their own medicine.
USSR tried it ends up with Mr Kennedy assassination.
 
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