Iranian Chill Thread

[Full Moon]

It's not their fault that Iran is in this shape, nor is it their fault that Iranians have essentially become Persian/Azeri speaking arabs, but the culture that most Iranians follow is bastardized Iranian culture at best. The likes of Nejad, Mohsenam, Mohsen etc... are arab to the core. Take away the language that Nejad speaks and he could be anybody off the streets of Lebanon or Iraq.

As for the question of what is Iranian culture, I don't think I'm qualified to answer that, but it's clear to all of us that Arab culture isn't Iranian culture, even if the majority of Iranian citizens follow arab culture.

You seem to have elected to yourself to live in that self-victimization along with many of your fellow Persian Iranians. Could you please explain to me why the vast majority of Muslims don’t consider being an observant practicing Muslim equal to being an Arab? I have seen as many different types of Muslims as you can imagine. From Senegal to China, non of them feel that being a religious Muslim is equal to being an Arab. They don’t see a problem of being a Nigerian Muslim while still considering themselves to be culturally Nigerian, or Uzbek Muslim and yet still culturally Uzbek.

On another note, what is your explanation of the very limited number of Zoroastrians in Iran compared to Syrian, Palestinian, and Egyptian Christians? Why didn’t Arabs wipe out Christianity completely from these countries despite having undoubtedly a stronger influence on them than why they had on Iran? Do you know that Egyptian Christians account for nearly %10 of the population (around 8 million people). Why there is just about 100,000 Zoroastrians in Iran (or even less)? Did Arabs make everybody convert and forgot Christians despite them being an staunch enemy of theirs throughout history? Do you also know that before creating Israel Christians represented %17 of the total Palestinian population?

Those Christians paid Jizyah like the early Zoroastrians and were given generally some sort of protection for their faith by the numerous Islamic governments. Assuming that they were forced to accept Islam one person after another, why didn’t they find out a way to keep their faith the same way Christian Egyptians and Palestinians did?

 

[Abii]

@Abii @rmi5 @Militant Atheist,
Guys, with all due respect,
You people remind me of ordinary, redneck, dumb Iranians in 1979.
Or better to say, ordinary, uneducated, uncultured, middle easterns.
tooye sal 57 ham iraniha hamin charandiati ro migoftan ke shoma emrooz migid.
hameye ma midoonim in system emrooz iran nekbat dare az sar o roosh mibare.
ye system fashal, dozd parvar, fased, va gheyr kara.
vali khob midooonid moshkel iraniha va kollan mardom ablah khavar miane chiye?
moshkel ine ke
hamye mardom ablah khavar miane midooonan chi ro nemikhan, amma hichkodooomeshon nemidoonan chi ro mikhan.
va shoma se nafar ham moteasefane bayad begam jozv typical tarin haye hamin adamha hastid.
sobh ta shab darid minalid, va fekr mikonid darid roshan fekr bazi dar miarid.
dar hali ke age bekham shomaro jozve daste bandiye ahmagh haye zamane enqelab ja bedam
shoma ha hamoon daneshjoohaye kherefti hastid ke rikhtid va sefarat amrica ro eshghal kardid.
khande dare
History repeats himself, so funny.
az hameye karbarha khahesh mikonam, be onvane ye irani,
avvalan mesle tamame oonaee ke miran vaseye tark etiad ke bayad be onvane avvalin marhaleye tark etiad boland shan va jeloye hame began
man folani eteraf mikonam ke motadam
boland shid va eteraf konid ke
ma iraniha hich vaght hich mali naboodim va hamin emrooz ham mesle tamame mardom khereft khavar miane hich mali nistim
va sanyan
talash konid khodetoono roshd bedid
baba nemishe ke hey mesle ye cycle har 60-70 sal in cycle ahmaghane ro tekrar konim ke.
ah ah

An incoherent rant devoid of any purpose. What exactly are you trying to say? That we don't have any medication for the disease so we should STFU?

"hamye mardom ablah khavar miane midooonan chi ro nemikhan, amma hichkodooomeshon nemidoonan chi ro mikhan."

I know exactly what I want. All 3 of us know exactly what we want out of life. We can give you details about how we want our coffee, our women, our politics, our apartments, our society... We know because every kind of option is available to us. We know because we live in a free society where anything is possible. We know because we're allowed to use our imagination and take it in any direction we want.

That is a completely foreign concept to you, because you've spent all your life in a society where conformity and acceptance of wrongs have always been the only option.

You're scared of what's behind the locked door, so you don't even want to open it.

 

[Militant Atheist]

You seem to have elected to yourself to live in that self-victimization along with many of your fellow Persian Iranians. Could you please explain to me why the vast majority of Muslims don’t consider being an observant practicing Muslim equal to being an Arab? I have seen as many different types of Muslims as you can imagine. From Senegal to China, non of them feel that being a religious Muslim is equal to being an Arab. They don’t see a problem of being a Nigerian Muslim while still considering themselves to be culturally Nigerian, or Uzbek Muslim and yet still culturally Uzbek.

Wherever Muslims go destruction will follow, be it Nigeria or anywhere else. Abii's main point is that Islam is a culture that doesn't belong in Iran. It's not compatible with us.

Why they're still surviving Zoroastrians today? It's simple, because they ran away to India.

 

[rmi5]

bazam maghlate? in playing victim ro ke mikeshi vasat daghighan hamin be zehn mirese. akhe man chera baiad dar barabare shoma play victim bokonam? khande dar nist in harf akhe? play victim ro kasi mikone ke zuresh be yeki dg narese, motmaen bash man kheili khub mitunam inja az harfam defa konam.

bebinam shoma pas alan mipaziri ke tuie jangal (iran) bozorg shodi (taghribal balaie 90 darsade omret ro az kudaki)? khob agar in ro mipaziri ke dg moshkeli nist, chon nemeipaziri on kari ke kardi harassment hast, chon tarif nashode hast aslan in ghazie barat. bale shoma on ro harass kardi chon naiumadi rok va rast va bedune hich gune tohin aghaiedesh ro naghd koni. tohin kardan esmesh tokhm dashtan nist aziz, hamuntor ke goftam manam kheili khub baladam tohin bokonam.

FYI, kaari ke to alaan daari anjam midi, esmesh harassment hast. Man hagh e azadi ye bayaan ra daaram va azash estefaade mikonam, to ham nemitouni ba in kaar haat sedaaye man ra khafeh koni.
BTW, dar mored e man ham eshtebaah mikoni. man koudakim ra aslan Iran naboudam. yek dore bargashtim Iran ke man daneshgah, lisaans, va hamin tor highschool va injour chizha ra raftam, be gheyr az dore ye nojavouni, dige touye oun jangal naboudam. vali ageh mikhaay, mitouni hamchenaan begi ke man nojavounim ra touye oun jangal ba shoma ha boudam.

aval inke, shoma az koja miduni man enerjim ro jaie dg koja sarf mikonam? az koja miduni ghadami baraie behtar shodane keshvaram bar nemidaram, hala har cheghadr andak? agar dar tavanaiem bashe karaie kheili bozorg mikonam (mesle hamun neveshtane constitution) agar na ke dar hadde tavane khodam ye karaie ro anjam daram midam.

man tuie sare mardom nazadam, balke yeki az kheslat haie bade tuie jame'e ro goftam ke etefaghan on eshtebahat ghablan ham az janebe shakhse khodam ziad rokh dade. manam ye zamani faghat ghor mizadam va baghie ro masule eshtebahate khodam midunestam, bedune inke kuchektarin masuliati ro bepaziram. vali alan yad gereftam ke kare 2rost chi hast va dust daram ke baghie mardome iran ham hamuntor beshan, be in nemigan tuie sare mardom zadan.

baraaye inke, as an example, hamin alaan daari energit ra sarf e 10 safhe matn neveshtan baraaye man mikoni, be jaaye inke aslan be asl e chizi ke bahs boud, tavajjohi dashte bashi.

 

[Abii]

You seem to have elected to yourself to live in that self-victimization along with many of your fellow Persian Iranians. Could you please explain to me why the vast majority of Muslims don’t consider being an observant practicing Muslim equal to being an Arab? I have seen as many different types of Muslims as you can imagine. From Senegal to China, non of them feel that being a religious Muslim is equal to being an Arab. They don’t see a problem of being a Nigerian Muslim while still considering themselves to be culturally Nigerian, or Uzbek Muslim and yet still culturally Uzbek.

On another note, what is your explanation of the very limited number of Zoroastrians in Iran compared to Syrian, Palestinian, and Egyptian Christians? Why didn’t Arabs wipe out Christianity completely from these countries despite having undoubtedly a stronger influence on them than why they had on Iran? Do you know that Egyptian Christians account for nearly %10 of the population (around 8 million people). Why there is just about 100,000 Zoroastrians in Iran (or even less)? Did Arabs make everybody convert and forgot Christians despite them being an staunch enemy of theirs throughout history? Do you also know that before creating Israel Christians represented %17 of the total Palestinian population?

Those Christians paid Jizyah like the early Zoroastrians and were given generally some sort of protection for their faith by the numerous Islamic governments. Assuming that they were forced to accept Islam one person after another, why didn’t they find out a way to keep their faith the same way Christian Egyptians and Palestinians did?

From my understanding, Safavid kings massacred the Zoroastrian population in the 16th century when they were converting the population to shia Islam whole sale. As for the rest of your post, I'm not concerned with discussing anything with a Saudi. You're not worth my time, so go away.

 

[rmi5]

An incoherent rant devoid of any purpose. What exactly are you trying to say? That we don't have any medication for the disease so we should STFU?

"hamye mardom ablah khavar miane midooonan chi ro nemikhan, amma hichkodooomeshon nemidoonan chi ro mikhan."

I know exactly what I want. All 3 of us know exactly what we want out of life. We can give you details about how we want our coffee, our women, our politics, our apartments, our society... We know because every kind of option is available to us. We know because we live in a free society where anything is possible. We know because we're allowed to use our imagination and take it in any direction we want.

That is a completely foreign concept to you, because you've spent all your life in a society where conformity and acceptance of wrongs have always been the only option.

You're scared of what's behind the locked door, so you don't even want to open it.

you very well said what I wanted to say.

 

[Militant Atheist]

Posaye ke man thank mikonam automatic undo mishan!!!

 

[Full Moon]

From my understanding, Safavid kings massacred the Zoroastrian population in the 16th century when they were converting the population to shia Islam whole sale. As for the rest of your post, I'm not concerned with discussing anything with a Saudi. You're not worth my time, so go away.

Well, you always get into discussions with Saudis or others when you have enough convincing ideas. It looks like you ran out of them only today. That's just another proof that you are good at throwing big words without really knowing what they mean.

 

[Militant Atheist]

@rmi5 @Abii You guys should be more proactive. I don't want anyone to wrongly assume that all Iranians are Muslim.

 

[Serpentine]

FYI, kaari ke to alaan daari anjam midi, esmesh harassment hast. Man hagh e azadi ye bayaan ra daaram va azash estefaade mikonam, to ham nemitouni ba in kaar haat sedaaye man ra khafeh koni.
BTW, dar mored e man ham eshtebaah mikoni. man koudakim ra aslan Iran naboudam. yek dore bargashtim Iran ke man daneshgah, lisaans, va hamin tor highschool va injour chizha ra raftam, be gheyr az dore ye nojavouni, dige touye oun jangal naboudam. vali ageh mikhaay, mitouni hamchenaan begi ke man nojavounim ra touye oun jangal ba shoma ha boudam.


baraaye inke, as an example, hamin alaan daari energit ra sarf e 10 safhe matn neveshtan baraaye man mikoni, be jaaye inke aslan be asl e chizi ke bahs boud, tavajjohi dashte bashi.

Dg az in jaleb tar nemishe vaghean. Alan Ki dare play victim mikone? Man kei khastam sedat to khafe bokonam ke shoma tavahomme tote'e baret dashte? Yani inghadr fekr mikoni postbhat kubande va ba manteghe ke man natunam tahamol konam va biam sedat to khafe bokonam? Isn't that hilarious?

Dar morede inke man inja daram bahat bahs mikonam, in ye bakhshe kucheki az tafrihe man hast, yani web gardi kolan. Ba in mantegh shoma ke in hame edea mikoni rahe hal dari baraie moshkelat chi kar mikoni inja? Chera vaghtet ro inja talaf mikoni? Vaghean in behtarin javabi bud ke mitunesti bedi?

 

[Abii]

@rmi5 @Abii You guys should be more proactive. I don't want anyone to wrongly assume that all Iranians are Muslim.

Proactive in denouncing the arab religion? I feel like I am lol

 

[rmi5]

Well, you always get into discussions with Saudis or others when you have enough convincing ideas. It looks like you ran out of them only today. That's just another proof that you are good at throwing big words without really knowing what they mean.

The point is that we are currently in the middle of another discussion and your comments are off-topic for us.

Dg az in jaleb tar nemishe vaghean. Alan Ki dare play victim mikone? Man kei khastam sedat to khafe bokonam ke shoma tavahomme tote'e baret dashte? Yani inghadr fekr mikoni postbhat kubande va ba manteghe ke man natunam tahamol konam va biam sedat to khafe bokonam? Isn't that hilarious?

Ya'ni vaghean nemifahmi ke daari sa'y mikoni ke man ra saansour koni va in mokhaalef e azadi ye bayan hast?

Dar morede inke man inja daram bahat bahs mikonam, in ye bakhshe kucheki az tafrihe man hast, yani web gardi kolan. Ba in mantegh shoma ke in hame edea mikoni rahe hal dari baraie moshkelat chi kar mikoni inja? Chera vaghtet ro inja talaf mikoni? Vaghean in behtarin javabi bud ke mitunesti bedi?

baraaye inke to vaghean harf e man ra nemifahmi, man 10 baar behet goftam ke bahs chiz e dige i hast va to hamchenaan chasbidi va mesle yek mollaa noghati, daari man ra troll mikoni. man ham bikaar nistam ke infinite time baraaye har kasi bezaaram.

 

[Full Moon]

Wherever Muslims go destruction will follow, be it Nigeria or anywhere else. Abii's main point is that Islam is a culture that doesn't belong in Iran. It's not compatible with us.

Why they're still surviving Zoroastrians today? It's simple, because they ran away to India.

It seems that you are over simplifying things due to the frustration with the current Iranian Regime. You can always cite the names of significant Iranian Muslims from the 8th century until now in all fields: philosophy, literature, calligraphy, architecture, and to less extent natural science. I haven’t came across significant Iranian names before Islam other than the names of emperors and military leaders.

The Arabs erased them all? Maybe they erased some or erased many. But why the names of the emperors survived and we got the Shahnameh listing them all? Why did the Arabs and Muslims in general had that fascination with the Greek philosophy, medicine, and science? They called all of their collective knowledge with that beautiful name “علوم الأوائل” “The knowledge of the ancients”.

The same, however, hasn’t happened with Persian books or Persian works, despite that Islam flourished throughout Iran and that the language was much much accessible to Arabs and Muslims than Greek.

Finally, the number of Zoroastrians in India is very small. That doesn’t sound like a good explanation.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Instead of writing bunch of insults, and long rants, write what you wanna say in a few organized sentences. I am not a moron like mohsen or your stupid friends, so watch your language. BTW, if you don't know what you want, we, at least I, clearly know what I want. We are living in the 21st century, and having ideas about a pretty modest government is not difficult anymore. It is fairly simple, remove the backward laws, bring a real voting system, and let people do and think what they want. It is called secularism and most countries in the world are run by this system and are happy about it. you don't need to be nobel prize winner to understand it.

BTW, what makes me a ordinary redneck that you are accusing me for it? I have a record in this forum to be against all typical backward religious, and racist comments in the Iranian section, and it has caused many Iranian members to hate me, since I show their stupidity, racism, and religious backwardness like a mirror. But, I don't give a damn, since I know what I am doing, and I know that it is right.

About being dumb, I have an IQ of 155 which is, by far, above any definition of being dumb. it is almost twice as Iranians IQ average, and I am, by far, the most educated member in this section. Any accusation needs some reasons and proofs, what are yours?

BTW, 51% of Iranians could not even read/write their own names in 1979s, and now it is 21st century and the internet age. I think these changes are enough to show that people are not as much stupid as what they were in 3-4 decades ago.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Ya'ni to vaghean touye gharn e 21 om, hanouz nemidouni ke chi mikhaay? ya inke goftanesh baraat sakht hast?

be alaaveh, in zadan tou sar e mardom ra jam' konid dige. vaghean haal e aadam ra be ham mizanid. be joz yek mosht aghab mounde, amsaal e @S00R3NA , va mohsen, dige baghiye mardom ke mesle aadam mikhaan zendegishoun ra bekonand. be jaaye in maskhare baazihaa, sa'y konid ke regime ra dorost konid, chetor va chejourish ham chiz e ajib gharibi nist.

دوست عزیز من عقب موندگیم رو به پیشرفتگی ای که شما داری و دنبالشی ترجیح میدم

عقب موندگی ای که به من میگه به عقاید مردم احترام بذارم و خودم رو کوچکتر از اونی بدونم که دیگران رو قضاوت کنم بهتر از پیشرفته و با سواد بودنیه که بعضی از افراد توی این فروم ازش استفاده می کنن تا تو سر مردم بزنن .

این ها کامنت هایی هست که من پست کردم و شما بحث رو به اینجا کشیدید که البته نمیتونم پیداش کنم :

typical Abii

dar javabe commenti ke omidvaram @Serpentine bargardune ta hame bebinan . ( sorry my friend , I found them in sports thread , they were not here )

I don't support these laws but I don't think insulting is the solution

in comment ya chizi mesle in dar javabe shoma .

من نیازی نمی بینم که این بحث رو ادامه بدم چون تجربه ی دوساله توی این فروم نشون داده که کار به کجا می رسه ولی شما بهتره یه نگاهی به 4 - 5 پست اخیرتون بندازی تا تناقص رو تو حرفای خودت ببینی .