SalarHaqq
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its exactly as i said what you claim is unrelated
My initial comment, which retains its validity I would like to think, is that CCTV cameras represent an asset to law enforcement including in neutralizing criminals and terrorists. If you wish to question this fact i.e. if you believe CCTV cameras are not an asset in the repression of crime and terrorism, kindly go ahead. Anything other than that would amount to going on a tangent.
denial
I am not sure which "atash be ekhtiar" and by whom you are referring to in the first place, so how am I supposed to be denying or confirming anything in this regard?
then don't make a claim if you don't want others answer with same logic
Let's reproduce the discussion thread, shall we.
Me to user tsunset: the person who threw yoghurt wasn't a shopman but a client. One may find hot headed people in every social group.
You, in reply to the above: when (X) says "atash be ekhtiar", what do you expect?
Me: this "atash be ekhtiar" (which results in someone throwing yoghurt on others) would be nothing much compared to the daily calls for wanton murder of religious Iranians.
You, insinuating: the percentage of 'amerin who observe the four rules regulating their activity is low.
Me: how do you know about the percentage in question? You need to produce some source for the claim to be credible.
Now where am I applying the same argumentative logic at this stage? I never referred to any percentages. Since you mentioned them, you ought to back your assessment with evidence.
many of the time you say peaceful it was not actually peaceful and for each instance of attack on ameren you can find several time the videos of their behavior.
Among news reports I came to see over the past six to seven months, I recall two cases of 'amerin getting physical because of someone's lacking hejab. Both instances occurred during or shortly after recent riots, when tensions were comparatively high. As far as I remember In one case a middle aged man hit someone once or twice with his shoe, in the other case two males exchanged kicks with a female. None of these scenes seemed particularly brutal. In both cases, the males appeared to be random individuals acting spontaneously, not members to a proper, organized 'amerin party.
I'm not counting the example of the yoghurt thrower as an act of violence, just as I'm not taking into account cases where an 'amer had her chador pulled off, since I'm merely focusing on full-on physical assault here. Likewise, I'll leave aside verbal offense for the time being.
By contrast, I must have come across six to seven or so written or audiovisual documents describing how non-violent 'amerin have been subjected to physical abuse; ranging from stabbings with knives to getting punched, or getting kicked by up to four delinquents simultaneously, while they were on the ground. And I'm merely talking of post-riot events. Never read about nor stumbled upon footage of similar violence against bad hejab during the considered period of time.
In conclusion, from what I have been able to learn, violence against 'amerin has been both:
- More frequent.
- More intense.
And to complete the picture, plenty of examples of peaceful 'amerin going about their duty in due form.
denial
Just stated a fact.
denial and evasion
I'd like to know how. What you seemed to be contending in practice, is that since the Judiciary has - according to you - failed to prosecute 'amerin who stray from the rules, this would somehow bestow "legitimacy" upon the act of beating, kicking or stabbing a non-violent female 'amer.
Now this sort of equivalence would be entirely out of touch, and would represent incitement to crime. No more, no less. Any person endowed with basic ethics should readily perceive how wrong it would be.
If what you mean to convey, is that subjects addressed by 'amerin ought to be given a right to self-defence if actually attacked, then that'll be a different matter. But there simply can be no justification whatsoever for physical assault against non-violent individuals, no matter what sort of spin one might try to put on it.
changing the fact , trying to rewrite the history and deny what really happens here
This would be another unsubstantiated statement. Where is the evidence though?
My conclusion is based on what I personally gathered from multiple news reports, an overview of which I offered above. In case you believe I missed something, it's incumbent upon you to elaborate in a concrete manner. Merely declaring I'm wrong will not cut it.
so you admit , todays it solely target women and teenage girl not what really damaging our country from inside
To be honest I do not remember stating any of the above. Allow me to reiterate: I salute all types of beneficial work. Peacefully enjoining citizens to respect Islamic and national norms of public decency qualifies as a beneficial effort, which individuals and society stand to gain from. Therefore, I will welcome it.
To question this activity and demand its cessation on grounds that there are shortcomings in the way other issues are currently being tackled, be they greater ones, would not make any sense.
It'd be like arguing that since some top level Belgian freemasons guilty of embezzlement would likely enjoy preferential treatment from their masonic "brothers" acting as judges in the country's courts, police should stop thinking about countering the criminal street gangs that operate out of Brussels' ghetto neighborhoods. The illogical nature of such an inference should be speaking for itself, shouldn't it.
Are there other issues in Iran - including more serious, and more pressing ones? There certainly are. Should citizens demand through legal ways, that the government proceed to solving them? Definitely.
But should we therefore be upset at 'amerin and government authorities for resisting the enemy in the cultural area and addressing the issue of hejab, preferably through methods as non-conflictual as possible? No, that would be quite meaningless.
I believe this should clear up my stance.
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