Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

England, USA, Wales, Iran Official World Cup group

Iran vs Anglo-Saxons , guess who come top

 

[SalarHaqq]

At what point do assassinations and sabotage stop Salar-jann?

Short answer: until the enemy is fully defeated, these or other types of hits against us will never stop. Iran is up against the world's dominant power structure (US empire plus international zionism), arguably the entity with the strongest material destructive power in history.

So the question should rather be, how mighty Iran really is, that she has managed not only to survive for 43 years against such an enemy, but also to make steady gains and continuously advance against them on the geopolitical chessboard?

Part of the reply to this question has to do with intrinsic characteristics offering Iran some unique advantages (religious, historic, civilizational, societal and demographic, geographic such as the capability to hold hostage world energy supplies thanks to the Strait of Hormoz chokepoint etc), but another part is related to political will. Meaning that Iran's experience is indeed replicable by other nations of the south, provided sufficient political will, exemplary courage and unshakable faith (whether in God or an deological belief system) on the part of their decision makers.

One can only hope that ongoing improvements in internal security measures are being implemented.

I will agree that there is probably some room for improvement in this department. But even with the most efficient security set up Iran may implement, we shouldn't expect zero casualties.

I fully understand "the ends justify the means" argument since Iranians operate under a rather staunch martyrdom ideology (from what I can garner). But even that certainly has its limits no? Could there come a time where these assassinations start to make detrimental in-roads within Iranian leadership, directly affecting how IRGC and other crucial domestic defense industries operate?

The moment they do, you will see Iran intensify her approach in response. Don't doubt it.

(An aside, more of an admission on my part Salar-jan. I must admit that I don't add much to the discourse here on PDF since many of my own talking points range from rehashes of others original thoughts or somewhat emotional rants of my own rooted in ignorance or exaggeration. My intentions with the replies I made to both you and TheImmortal as well as others here are purely mutual with respects to Iran: its security, prosperity and future.

No, your contribution is very valued (by me and I'm sure many others).

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Israelis aren't that stupid to use again Jews inside Iran, they are just some thousands, very easy to monitor for suspect behaviour.

And Iran won't be afraid to expose them again if treachery happen again.

Unfortunately, traitors are "among us", Muslims, Arabs, Persians, Sunni, Shia, Kurds,.....

Yes, Jewish and Bahai Iranians are surely monitored quite efficiently for suspicious behaviour, which is made possible by their limited numbers.

And no doubt there are numerous traitors in our midst. To suppress them, Iranian authorities would need to switch to a form of governance that relies to a far greater degree on violence and state control of society and individuals, e.g. the North Korean system for instance.

Basically there are two main motivations for treason: one, material benefits (mostly money) and two, ideological and political antagonism. Neutralization of the first phenomenon would require much more intrusive and generalized surveillance of the population, with more frequent summons of citizens by security agencies; to further contain the second, media and free expression of opinion would have to be reined in.

Either model will represent a trade off of sorts. Knowing that increased violence might generate a couple more discontents among the population all the while of controlling them more efficiently. But then again, the scale of enemy propaganda adn psy-ops on Iranians is such that even with the highest degree of political freedoms, significant numbers of Iranians would get duped into believing that they're living under some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship.

So I agree with all your above quoted points. Just wanted to add that if (a big if) someday a Jewish Iranian is arrested on espionage charges, we should definitely expect the enemy to react with an enormous double-standarded media campaign and social mobilization making a mountain out of a mole and dishing out bogus accusations of "antisemitism".

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Iran vs Anglo-Saxons , guess who come top

Slight correction: the Welsh (like the Irish) are Celts, not Anglo-Saxons.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Short answer: until the enemy is fully defeated, these or other types of hits against us will never stop. Iran is up against the world's dominant power structure (US empire plus international zionism), arguably the entity with the strongest material destructive power in history.

So the question should rather be, how mighty Iran really is, that she has managed not only to survive for 43 years against such an enemy, but also to make steady gains and continuously advance against them on the geopolitical chessboard?

Part of the reply to this question has to do with intrinsic characteristics offering Iran some unique advantages (religious, historic, civilizational, societal and demographic, geographic such as the capability to hold hostage world energy supplies thanks to the Strait of Hormoz chokepoint etc), but another part is related to political will. Meaning that Iran's experience is indeed replicable by other nations of the south, provided sufficient political will, exemplary courage and unshakable faith (whether in God or an deological belief system) on the part of their decision makers.



I will agree that there is room for improvement in this department though. But even with the most efficient security set up Iran may implement, we shouldn't expect zero casualties.



The moment they do, you will see Iran intensify her approach in response. Don't doubt it.



No, your contribution is very valued. By me and I'm sure many others.

_____



Yes, Jewish and Bahai Iranians are surely monitored quite efficiently for suspicious behaviour, which is made possible by their limited numbers.

And no doubt there are numerous traitors in our midst. To suppress them, Iranian authorities would need to switch to a form of governance that relies to a far greater degree on violence and state control of society and individuals, e.g. the North Korean system for instance.

Basically there are two main motivations for treason: one, material benefits (mostly money) and two, ideological and political antagonism. Neutralization of the first phenomenon would require much more intrusive and generalized surveillance of the population, with more frequent summons of citizens by security agencies; to further contain the second, media and free expression of opinion would have to be reined in.

Eiter model will be a trade off. Knowing that increased violence might generate a couple more discontents among the population all the while of controlling them more efficiently. But then again, the scale of enemy propaganda adn psy-ops on Iranians is such that even with the highest degree of political freedoms, significant numbers of Iranians would get duped into believing that they're living under some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship.

So I agree with all your above quoted points. Just wanted to add that if (a big if) someday a Jewish Iranian is arrested on espionage charges, we should definitely expect the enemy to react with an enormous double-standarded media campaign and social mobilization making a mountain out of a mole and dishing out bogus accusations of "antisemitism".

more violence never work , how much violent you want to get , did it help Britain ?
but let put a solution in front of you , brainwash all country into a cult , that certainly would work , everyone you fail to brainwash send to labor camp.
that's a tried and proved recipe , just look at N. Korea

 

[SalarHaqq]

At what point do assassinations and sabotage stop Salar-jann? that is essentially what many here (me included) have always been pining to get an answer for or at least an approximation. So many shahids yet the enemy keeps moving right next to our kin as if they're ghosts on the walls of our houses. Efforts to curb their presence bear varying fruit but the fear (at least for me) is that they'll eventually score another big hit that truly sets back Iran's progress in some appreciable way. -- Whilst you are generally correct about Iranian progress across multiple sectors, in-spite of American/Zionist efforts to hinder or outright destroy it. The issue of finding a viable method or way to stop the deaths of Iranians at their hands still remains present. We've seen rather lax-security measures given to lower ranking members of certain national/organizational defense infrastructures. Which doesn't offer much reaffirmation to help those of us who are concerned but that is out of our hands. One can only hope that ongoing improvements in internal security measures are being implemented.

I fully understand "the ends justify the means" argument since Iranians operate under a rather staunch martyrdom ideology (from what I can garner). But even that certainly has its limits no? Could there come a time where these assassinations start to make detrimental in-roads within Iranian leadership, directly affecting how IRGC and other crucial domestic defense industries operate? idk, only time will tell.

Won't shy away from saying this, but I've been an open advocate for an Iranian strike against Israel proper or expanding comprehensive kinetic strikes against Zionist assets wherever Iran can feasibly reach them (since Israel does the same to Iran and its allies routinely). It would be justified and if calibrated correctly, could achieve deterrence or some sort of "relative deterrence". Can't say whether or not this would be the smart decision or rational one, but I do let my emotions get to me from time-to-time.

My sincerest thanks for correcting me on the surnames "Ansari/Entezari". I'm in the States (born and raised) so I don't come across those types of names all too often lol. It does raise the eyebrow slightly as to why there would be such a staunch discrepancy between these two reported names. Ayub Ansari and Ayoob Entezari are two completely different names, you're correct.

(An aside, more of an admission on my part Salar-jan. I must admit that I don't add much to the discourse here on PDF since many of my own talking points range from rehashes of others original thoughts or somewhat emotional rants of my own rooted in ignorance or exaggeration. My intentions with the replies I made to both you and TheImmortal as well as others here are purely mutual with respects to Iran: its security, prosperity and future.

Just needed to get this off my chest.)

Allow me to add a brief remark. A zionist military intelligence officer falls to his death from a rooftop, the heavily censored zionist press claiming it was suicide. Some will validate this explanation, rather than conceding Iran may well have played a role here. After all, fact is that in 2020 only 9 military personnel committed suicide in Occupied Palestine.

Then an IRGC officer is said to have deceased after falling down from a building, and the same ones who accepted the zionist version about th isra"el"i intelligence person having committed suicide, will now suggest that assassination is to blame for the IRGC officer.

There's a bias against Iran here, induced by the prevalence of mainstream media discourse. To those adopting such a perspective I'd suggest to rethink it, and to be more critical of mainstream (in particular zionist) media reporting on affairs like these.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Allow me to add a brief remark. A zionist military intelligence officer is killed after falling from a rooftop, the heavily censored zionist press claiming it was suicide. Some will validate this explanation, rather than conceding Iran may well have played a role here. After all, fact is that in 2020 only 9 military personnel committed suicide in Occupied Palestine.

Then an IRGC officer is said to have deceased after falling down from a building, and the same ones who accepted the zionist version about their intelligence person having committed suicide, will now suggest that assassination is to blame in the case of the IRGC officer.

There's a bias against Iran here, induced by the prevalence of mainstream media discourse. To those adopting such a viewpoint I'd suggest to rethink it, and to be more critical of mainstream (in particular zionist) media reporting on affairs like these.

Nice to see someone is listening to my input here. Thank you, we'll succeeding in pushing through change, no matter what.

more violence never work , how much violent you want to get , did it help Britain ?
but let put a solution in front of you , brainwash all country into a cult , that certainly would work , everyone you fail to brainwash send to labor camp.
that's a tried and proved recipe , just look at N. Korea

I'm in favour of a North Korean model myself, although SLIGHTLY less hermitic. No need for a new Meiji Isolation but Iran needs to become like Amegakure (yes, I'm a weeaboo).

 

[Aspen]

Looks like Biden is going to turn a blind eye to Iranian oil without getting a nuclear deal.

Playing hardball pays well.

 

[jauk]

USAF NGAD 'fast tracking'. Combination manned and UCAV 'escort/wingman'. I believe this program is a backfill while the real goal of total unmanned AF is achieved. Manned is a dead-end.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

USAF NGAD 'fast tracking'. Combination manned and UCAV 'escort/wingman'. I believe this program is a backfill while the real goal of total unmanned AF is achieved. Manned is a dead-end.

Manned air forces are unlikely to materialize until the 8th or 9th generation.

 

[_Nabil_]

Short answer: until the enemy is fully defeated, these or other types of hits against us will never stop. Iran is up against the world's dominant power structure (US empire plus international zionism), arguably the entity with the strongest material destructive power in history.

So the question should rather be, how mighty Iran really is, that she has managed not only to survive for 43 years against such an enemy, but also to make steady gains and continuously advance against them on the geopolitical chessboard?

Part of the reply to this question has to do with intrinsic characteristics offering Iran some unique advantages (religious, historic, civilizational, societal and demographic, geographic such as the capability to hold hostage world energy supplies thanks to the Strait of Hormoz chokepoint etc), but another part is related to political will. Meaning that Iran's experience is indeed replicable by other nations of the south, provided sufficient political will, exemplary courage and unshakable faith (whether in God or an deological belief system) on the part of their decision makers.



I will agree that there is probably some room for improvement in this department. But even with the most efficient security set up Iran may implement, we shouldn't expect zero casualties.



The moment they do, you will see Iran intensify her approach in response. Don't doubt it.



No, your contribution is very valued. By me and I'm sure many others.

_____



Yes, Jewish and Bahai Iranians are surely monitored quite efficiently for suspicious behaviour, which is made possible by their limited numbers.

And no doubt there are numerous traitors in our midst. To suppress them, Iranian authorities would need to switch to a form of governance that relies to a far greater degree on violence and state control of society and individuals, e.g. the North Korean system for instance.

Basically there are two main motivations for treason: one, material benefits (mostly money) and two, ideological and political antagonism. Neutralization of the first phenomenon would require much more intrusive and generalized surveillance of the population, with more frequent summons of citizens by security agencies; to further contain the second, media and free expression of opinion would have to be reined in.

Either model will represent a trade off of sorts. Knowing that increased violence might generate a couple more discontents among the population all the while of controlling them more efficiently. But then again, the scale of enemy propaganda adn psy-ops on Iranians is such that even with the highest degree of political freedoms, significant numbers of Iranians would get duped into believing that they're living under some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship.

So I agree with all your above quoted points. Just wanted to add that if (a big if) someday a Jewish Iranian is arrested on espionage charges, we should definitely expect the enemy to react with an enormous double-standarded media campaign and social mobilization making a mountain out of a mole and dishing out bogus accusations of "antisemitism".

_____



Slight correction: the Welsh (like the Irish) are Celts, not Anglo-Saxons.

Being targeted by Israel and U.S is the right indicator that Iran Economically, Politically, Military is on the Right path, may God helps you and give you success.

It won't be an easy path, but I personally see desperation and lack of efficient options to stop Iran in those cheap moves.

Again, concerning unfounded claims of Iranis Jews implication in those acts, and Irani regime "afraid" to expose them "fearing" excessive west reaction, don't worry the west will do it's usual propaganda, no less, probably more, that's all .... And Iranian regime won't give a Shīt of it.

 

[TheImmortal]

England, USA, Wales, Iran Official World Cup group

Iran always gets the worst World Cup groups. Last time we had Ronaldo and Messi in our group.

How does Wales have enough pro players to field a team?

 

[_Nabil_]

Algerian FA confirms friendly match against Iran – PersianFootball.com

www.persianfootball.com

Canadian football team cancelled programmed friendly match upon Trudeau consignee.

 

[jauk]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1532073258715344896

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www.military.ir

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1533882489474785280

 

[Stryker1982]

Algerian FA confirms friendly match against Iran – PersianFootball.com

www.persianfootball.com

Canadian football team cancelled programmed friendly match upon Trudeau consignee.

Should be a good game!

 

[SalarHaqq]

I'm in favour of a North Korean model myself, although SLIGHTLY less hermitic. No need for a new Meiji Isolation but Iran needs to become like Amegakure (yes, I'm a weeaboo).

No doubt Korea is being demonized unjustly by western totalitarian regimes and their manipulative psy-ops apparatus. In Iran, the liberal fifth column (reformists & moderates) are echoing this propaganda by singling out the Korean one as the supposedly "worst" of all political systems in existence, as opposed to totalitarian liberal democracy of the west, which these same reformists and moderates are advertising in Iran. Hence why they had a book from a female North Korean "dissident" refugee translated into Persian and widely distributed at symbolic and strategic points of sale.

Now I also tend to have some reservations about the Korean model, but they mostly aren't focused on its relatively uncompromising approach to security. However I shall not discuss these, since Iran and Korea have a functional partnership.

When it comes to the Korean-style security architecture, while it might be subject to debate it is certain is that it has proved its efficiency. Generally speaking, the liberal mantra postulating that increased use of force in internal affairs will "necessarily" and "always" backfire or that it "never works" is erroneous. Where is it backfiring in Korea? How is it supposed to have backfired on the government of Joseph Vissarionovich (aka Stalin)? It depends on a string of circumstances, on the legitimacy of policy makers, on context.

North Korean model or not, Iran could do with a slightly lesser degree of leniency vis à vis certain obvious provocateurs, infiltrators, saboteurs, fifth columnists and other traitors, especially those who occupy relatively important functions.