Iranian Chill Thread

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521884117331292161

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521936947786268672

 

[SalarHaqq]

US analyst on Fox News: dealings with Russia, involvement with China and anti-American policies are part of the reason Pakistan's PM Imran Khan was ousted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521017826697519105

 

[TheImmortal]

• Pakistan rupee one of worst performing currencies
• Pakistan in a terrible economic state inherited by Khan from previous admin and only made worse by his refusal to institute stabilization policy. Guess he listened to his role model Sultan Erodgan on that one.
• Pakistan relying on the same IMF for bailout loans, that Khan criticized.
• Pakistan has accepted 7.7B in US aid over last decade
• When inflation threw millions into poverty he famously claimed he didn’t join politics to know the “prices of tomatoes and potatoes”
• No Pakistani PM has ever finished a 5 year term (Khan made it 3ish years).

Conclusion: “the Americans did it”

Maybe don’t hire a cricket player to save your economy. Americans hired a TV actor/real estate investor and we saw how “great” that went

 

[SalarHaqq]

^ Nothing of the above implies that the US wasn't involved in the overthrow of Khan.

Khan's administration took IMF loans and US aid? Well it seems he still managed to antagonize Washington enough for the latter to have him removed.

Some economic indicators in Pakistan aren't satisfying? How have previous administrations been any better, and how are there issues supposed to be fixed in just two or three years? Also what has this to do with the fact that the US regime wanted him gone? It's not as if the US rates Pakistani administrations on how well they're doing to improve Pakistan's economy, all that matters to Washington is how subservient they are or how much they are willing to toe the US line.

People aren't protesting against the US for the Khan administration's shortcomings in the field of economic management, but they're denouncing Washington's illegal and undue meddling in Pakistani domestic affairs. Khan was right to make that statement for sovereignty and the ability to conduct policy independently is priceless.

Besides, western imperialism is one of the main sources of Pakistan's economic woes. The debt trap, the IMF, US loans, all of these are part of the imperialist arsenal to keep nations subdued and dependent, and unless there's a revolution like in Iran, it takes years and huge efforts to shake off this dependence. That Imran Khan wished to move towards a more autonomous policy can be seen from the US regime's displeasure reflected in the words of that analyst who spoke to Fox News.

The more a government is close to the US, the less friendly it has proven to be towards Iran. There are exceptions to this rule but it is generally verified. So from an Iranian perspective too, a US-sponsored coup in a third country is nowhere desirable.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521884117331292161

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521936947786268672

 

[Sineva]

• Pakistan rupee one of worst performing currencies
• Pakistan in a terrible economic state inherited by Khan from previous admin and only made worse by his refusal to institute stabilization policy. Guess he listened to his role model Sultan Erodgan on that one.
• Pakistan relying on the same IMF for bailout loans, that Khan criticized.
• Pakistan has accepted 7.7B in US aid over last decade
• When inflation threw millions into poverty he famously claimed he didn’t join politics to know the “prices of tomatoes and potatoes”
• No Pakistani PM has ever finished a 5 year term (Khan made it 3ish years).

Conclusion: “the Americans did it”

Maybe don’t hire a cricket player to save your economy. Americans hired a TV actor/real estate investor and we saw how “great” that went

LOL
Dont forget the ukrainians tho`,they went for a guy who was a comedian who played the president in a tv comedy show.
life imitating "art" perhaps?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Proved reserves of U.S. crude oil and lease condensate declined 19%, from 47.2 billion barrels to 38.2 billion barrels at the end of 2020. Proved reserves of crude oil decreased 8.4 billion barrels in 2020

Proved Reserves of Crude Oil and Natural Gas in the United States, Year-End 2020

www.eia.gov

It should be close to 27 billion barrels now

 

[TheImmortal]

^ Nothing of the above implies that the US wasn't involved in the overthrow of Khan.

Khan's administration took IMF loans and US aid? Well it seems he still managed to antagonize Washington enough for the latter to have him removed.

Some economic indicators in Pakistan aren't satisfying? How have previous administrations been any better, and how are there issues supposed to be fixed in just two or three years? Also what has this to do with the fact that the US regime wanted him gone? It's not as if the US rates Pakistani administrations on how well they're doing to improve Pakistan's economy, all that matters to Washington is how subservient they are or how much they are willing to toe the US line.

People aren't protesting against the US for any for the Khan administration's shortcomings in the field of economic management, but they're denouncing Washington's illegal and undue meddling in Pakistani domestic affairs. Khan was right to make that statement for sovereignty and the ability to conduct policy independently is priceless.

Besides, western imperialism is one of the main sources of Pakistan's economic woes. The debt trap, the IMF, US loans, all of these are part of the imperialist arsenal to keep nations subdued and dependent, and unless there's a revolution like in Iran, it takes years and huge efforts to shake off this dependence. That Imran Khan wished to move towards a more autonomous policy can be seen from the US regime's displeasure reflected in the words of that analyst who spoke to Fox News.

The more a government is close to the US, the less friendly it has proven to be towards Iran. There are exceptions to this rule but it is generally verified. So from an Iranian perspective too, a US-sponsored coup in a third country is nowhere desirable.

Fox News is a propaganda outlet that makes outlandish claims to support the narrative of the far right. And this so called “analyst” provided no proof PM’s ouster was backed by the US or directed by the US. More like trying overinflate US importance in a country that has chronic central government issues. Which is typical right wing thinking. Can you share some definitive proof showing US involvement in his ouster?

Did the US also over throw every PM before him? The statistics don’t lie there. His own party turned against him. Did the CIA tell them to vote him out? Did the US tell Pakistan‘s Supreme Court to strike down the attempt to dissolve parliament? If US has this much sway in Pakistan than Pakistan is basically a US colony right now. Which doesn’t make sense given how much China has infiltrated Pakistan’s sphere.

Blaming imperialism as the reason for Pakistan’s debt spiral seems like a way at adverting responsibility of a nation that is predominately dominated by the whims of its strong military brass picking and choosing when to intervene (either overtly or covertly). Pakistan has been plagued by corruption throughout its short life of statehood.

Accepting handouts from US is never “free”. I don’t think any country in the world provides “free aid no strings attached” outside of humanitarian disasters let alone the leading Empire of our time.

The issue is many within Pakistan like to play all sides US-Russia-China. Which maybe makes sense to milk everyone as a country’s self interest is first and foremost. But eventually one of your “supporters” is gonna get tired of the antics.

I’m not outright denying US influence in Pakistan politics. I just don’t think the Khan theory is the correct theory. His time was limited and history was against him. Lack of results and was shown the door. The same happened to our Boy who cried Wolf Bibi. PM’s have a short leash in politics in Pakistan.

LOL
Dont forget the ukrainians tho`,they went for a guy who was a comedian who played the president in a tv comedy show.
life imitating "art" perhaps?

We went from Cyrus, Saladin, Napoleon, Alexander, Ceaser, Ghengis Khan, Abraham Lincoln, Stalin, Mao, Kennedy, etc

To this:

 

[Hack-Hook]

To me there's nothing wrong with these word creations. Dursokhani instead of 'video conference' is just beautiful. And it's made of Persian words. Likewise, rāyāne instead of computer etc.

the problem is it won't completely present the meaning

We would have seen the results more immediately if it they hadn't been there. As for long term planning and programs, yes they're needed but much of it is beyond the Academy's area of competence and involves the Ministries of Education and of Culture & Islamic Guidance.

the planing , suggestion, ...... is well in their realm of ability , they only produce words and it alone is not enough . the situation of there is so bad that even parliament 2 month ago questioned how they spend their budget and they yet to answer that.
each word they produced cost around 3.5m toman for people

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

8.4 billion / 365 days = 23 million barrels per day

but US produces 14 million barrels per day. why is it like this ?

 

[TheImmortal]

8.4 billion / 365 days = 23 million barrels per day

but US produces 14 million barrels per day. why is it like this ?

You are confusing “proved reserves” with “inventory & production reserves”.

Read the fine print from your own source

Proved reserves are estimated volumes of hydrocarbon resources that analysis of geologic and engineering data demonstrates with reasonable certainty 1 are recoverable under existing economic and operating conditions. Reserves estimates change from year to year because of:

• New discoveries
• Thorough appraisals of existing fields
• Production of existing reserves
• Changes in prices, costs, ownership, or planned infrastructure
• New and improved techniques and technologies

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

You are confusing “proved reserves” with “inventory & production reserves”.

Read the fine print from your own source

Estimated production 4.2
4.2 billion barrel / 365 = 11.5 million barrels

Still didn't get why it went down almost double of production.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Fox News is a propaganda outlet that makes outlandish claims to support the narrative of the far right. And this so called “analyst” provided no proof PM’s ouster was backed by the US or directed by the US. More like trying overinflate US importance in a country that has chronic central government issues. Which is typical right wing thinking. Can you share some definitive proof showing US involvement in his ouster?

Much of the US right nowadays is leaning towards isolationism, at least nominally, as exemplified by the Trumpists. It isn't currently dominated by people who will openly advocate for toppling governments left and right in faraway countries which most Americans couldn't locate on a map.

Definitive proof is hard to come by, there wasn't any for the CIA's role in the overthrow of Dr. Mossadegh for some time either. But to me it makes more sense than the opposite considering available indicators and data.

Did the US also over throw every PM before him? The statistics don’t lie there. His own party turned against him. Did the CIA tell them to vote him out?

Did the US tell Pakistan‘s Supreme Court to strike down the attempt to dissolve parliament?

Possibly. The people sitting in these institutions could be pro-Americans loyal to the regime in Washington. And who is to say the US didn't have a hand in some of the previous changes of government in Islamabad?

If US has this much sway in Pakistan than Pakistan is basically a US colony right now. Which doesn’t make sense given how much China has infiltrated Pakistan’s sphere.

China unlike the US has no record of this sort of meddling in domestic affairs. So the depth of Beijing's relationship with Islamabad is not going to prevent the US regime from hatching such plots.

Concerning America's sway in Pakistan, you may ask knowledgeable and objective Pakistani user of this forum about the presence of local politicians willing to serve the US agenda.

Blaming imperialism as the reason for Pakistan’s debt spiral seems like a way at adverting responsibility of a nation that is predominately dominated by the whims of its strong military brass picking and choosing when to intervene (either overtly or covertly). Pakistan has been plagued by corruption throughout its short life of statehood.

I don't know how the Pakistani military's decisions to intervene relate to the debt spiral. Corruption doesn't necessarily translate into contracting debt from abroad either.

The debt trap set up by the IMF, World Bank and the US regime itself is a feature of imperialist policy that has been analyzed extensively.

Accepting handouts from US is never “free”. I don’t think any country in the world provides “free aid no strings attached” outside of humanitarian disasters let alone the leading Empire of our time.

In return for handouts, some ask more than others, up to the "right" to oversee who's in charge in the country they're lending money to. That's where local clients of imperialism come into play, seeing how they'll choose the US of all places to take out a loan from.

The issue is many within Pakistan like to play all sides US-Russia-China. Which maybe makes sense to milk everyone as a country’s self interest is first and foremost. But eventually one of your “supporters” is gonna get tired of the antics.

Unsurprisingly, it's seems to be the US which lost its temper. It squares with US interventionism and is not typical for Chinese or Russian policy.

I’m not outright denying US influence in Pakistan politics. I just don’t think the Khan theory is the correct theory. His time was limited and history was against him. Lack of results and was shown the door. The same happened to our Boy who cried Wolf Bibi. PM’s have a short leash in politics in Pakistan.

Pakistani users have commented on why the US regime, especially under Biden, was irritated by Imran Khan's policies. "Regime change", "colored revolutions" or simply a palace coup (as is most likely to have happened in Pakistan), are some of the ways in which Washington penalizes recalcitrant leaders worldwide.

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the problem is it won't completely present the meaning

The foreign words will not reflect any meaning to an Iranian because by definition they are alien vocabulary.

the planing , suggestion, ...... is well in their realm of ability , they only produce words and it alone is not enough . the situation of there is so bad that even parliament 2 month ago questioned how they spend their budget and they yet to answer that.
each word they produced cost around 3.5m toman for people

It isn't enough but at least they have this one covered already, which as said most countries don't. As for how they're managing their budget, I don't know about that and it's a different issue.

 

[TheImmortal]

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Estimated production 4.2
4.2 billion barrel / 365 = 11.5 million barrels

Still didn't get why it went down almost double of production.

Net revisions has nothing to do with production.

Revisions primarily occur when operators change their estimates of what they will be able to produce from the properties they operate in response to changing prices, costs, or improvements in technology. Higher fuel prices typically increase estimates (positive revisions) as operators consider a broader portion of the resource base economically producible with reasonable certainty, or proved. Lower prices, on the other hand, generally reduce estimates (negative revisions) as operators estimate that less of their resource base is economically producible.

I have an oil field and I say it holds 1B barrels. I want to sell it to another oil company who wants to develop it due to high oil prices. So they do an appraisal to estimate the true value of that field. They send in the geologists and do another survey test and discover it’s really 500M barrels that is truly economically recoverable at x price of oil.

Net revision -500M barrels.

That’s why when countries first “claim” a major oil or gas discovery people wait for follow on geo analysis of the field because usually their is incentive to “inflate” the recoverable amount to attract energy companies and boost their reserve count. As well as the politics of the whole thing.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The foreign words will not reflect any meaning to an Iranian because by definition they are alien vocabulary.

they represent the meaning of the technology, its like instead of calling it television call it Teleaudio