Iranian Chill Thread

[rmi5]

See, that's the type of language that scares people when it comes to the US.

"socialist state"

The US is the Wild West. Everything goes. But unfortunately the playing field isn't level. The top dogs can legally bribe the government through legal campaign contributions and of course through lobbying. That's literally legalized bribery.

Just because Canada and EU countries don't have things like this, it doesn't make them "socialist." We spend less money per capita on health care and we still have universal health coverage for everyone. Actually, let's use health care as an example of why nothing works in the US. Check out this list: List of countries by total health expenditure (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USA spends the most (and this is both looking at per capita expenditure and percent of GDP) while it has one of the worst health care systems in the OECD.

The government barely ever functions properly. Lobby groups and corporations have ultimate power in the country. Salaries are some of the lowest in the OECD. Living conditions are some of the worst in the OECD. Crime rates are some of the highest in the OECD. Income inequality is some of the worst, if not the worst, in the OECD.

Then there's the society itself. When there's debate over whether or not the theory of evolution should be thought in schools or whether or not creationism should replace it (as it has done in some schools), then there's something very wrong.

European countries/AUS/NZ/Canada etc... are much more liveable places with much more progressive ideas.

I don't wanna make excuses for everything which is going on in US. But, I need to say a few points:
USA has the highest GDP per capita in OECD, so it is not surprising that costs are higher than other OECD countries. As I told you before, you have more freedom in US, this includes insurance as well. Maybe some people do not want some type of insurance or ... can we force them to pay for something that they don't want? In addition, I think that quality of health services are much higher in US than other countries. You pay more, but you will be treated better as well.
I don't know what you mean by government does not function. we pay the least amount of tax in whole western world, so we should not expect the government to do anything like what socialist or social-democratic governments do. BTW, I don't know what you mean by progressive, but I suggest you to compare GDP growth rate of USA, and EU. I think that could be a measure for comparing countries in terms of being progressive.

Was it easy for you to adjust into US life in your earliest time in US? or how long did you take to get used to it?

It didn't took too much time. I adapted to US very quickly.
If somebody does not come from some special backgrounds, like religious extremists, or some ultra retarded societies like some arabian countries, or something like that, and if you could find some friends, from both USA, and your country of origin, It would not take too much of time
It took just about a couple of months for me to adapt to USA.

 

[Abii]

I don't wanna make excuses for everything which is going on in US. But, I need to say a few points:
USA has the highest GDP per capita in OECD, so it is not surprising that costs are higher than other OECD countries. As I told you before, you have more freedom in US, this includes insurance as well. Maybe some people do not want some type of insurance or ... can we force them to pay for something that they don't want? In addition, I think that quality of health services are much higher in US than other countries. You pay more, but you will be treated better as well.
I don't know what you mean by government does not function. we pay the least amount of tax in whole western world, so we should not expect the government to do anything like what socialist or social-democratic governments do. BTW, I don't know what you mean by progressive, but I suggest you to compare GDP growth rate of USA, and EU. I think that could be a measure for comparing countries in terms of being progressive.

Aziz, in every index you look at, USA is nowhere to be seen on the top. Who cares about the massive economy when only a few get to benefit from it?

When it comes to health, education, income equality, happiness, life expectancy etc... factors that actually matter and make a difference in a human being's life, USA is never in the top 10.

Canadian cities routinely rank first or in the top 5 of every major index, every year. The quality of life in Canada/AUS/EU is simply at a much higher level compared to the US. This is based on factual data, not subjective reasons.

And by progressive I mean having progressive ideas as a society. You will never have a debate over whether or not science should be thought at school in any Western country apart from the US (creationism vs science). USA still doesn't have a health care system while all Western countries have already adopted national universal health care. Topics such as gay marriage, abortion etc... dominate the discourse in the US, while in Europe/Canada/AUS these things are never even talked about at the dinner table, let alone at a national level (it's unfathomable for most people to be talking about the sort of stuff that gets so much attention in the US).

 

[rmi5]

Aziz, in every index you look at, USA is nowhere to be seen on the top. Who cares about the massive economy when only a few get to benefit from it?

When it comes to health, education, income equality, happiness, life expectancy etc... factors that actually matter and make a difference in a human being's life, USA is never in the top 10.

There are many different factors in a human's life and government's responsibilities includes many different areas. let's review some another aspects:
USA has the best higher education system in the world. you can look up every top university rankings in any field and you would see that most of them are american.
USA stands first when technology is concerned.
without any doubts, USA has the best army in the world that can protect her from any other country in the world.
USA has the most advanced medical services, and if you can afford it, you can expect the best available services, and treatment.
honestly, I don't care too much about income equality if all people have the opportunity to have a minimum welfare.

Canadian cities routinely rank first or in the top 5 of every major index, every year. The quality of life in Canada/AUS/EU is simply at a much higher level compared to the US. This is based on factual data, not subjective reasons.

honestly, I don't care about those rankings at all. these are not some measurable things and at the end researchers would need to combine some uncorrelated data's and mix them with some arbitrary coefficients to make some mostly unreal conclusion. every person in the world can use a different weight system for different datas and conclude some other rankings.

And by progressive I mean having progressive ideas as a society. You will never have a debate over whether or not science should be thought at school in any Western country apart from the US (creationism vs science). USA still doesn't have a health care system while all Western countries have already adopted national universal health care. Topics such as gay marriage, abortion etc... dominate the discourse in the US, while in Europe/Canada/AUS these things are never even talked about at the dinner table, let alone at a national level (it's unfathomable for most people to be talking about the sort of stuff that gets so much attention in the US).

That's exactly what I like about US. this is the meaning of having freedom, and this is called having a dynamic and progressive society. do not get me wrong, I am not a creationist! but in a dynamic society, people should be able to talk and share their views, even if they are stupid, and the real democracy would choose between all different views. creativity can always come from dynamic atmosphere and many times from very wild ideas.

 

[Anaoshak]

@Anaoshak

I think you are troubled as much as we do in ME section.

Please look at the post below and kindly tell us your opinion.

Iranian Chill Thread | Page 215

I think it's a good plan
I was just called a Neo-Nazi haha or at least told i was posting "Neo-Nazi $hit" , when i posted a documentary about the Israeli and Palestinian conflict which i thought was relevant in a thread called "How Palestinian Hate Prevents Peace" in the ME section. And in that documentary ,most of the people interviewed were in fact Jewish. I guess you could call it an Anti-Zionism documentary in most aspects though. Not whining, just saying that people might get offended by that for example and bam, you have another thread filled with insults etc.

Anyway, i agree with what Serpentine said. There is unfortunately a lot of Racism. From both sides! However, I have seen neutral people from the Iranian side and people who aren't insulting others, involving racism into the threads etc, but i have not seen ANY neutral people from the Arab side, not yet at least(and i mean the Arabs from the Arabian peninsula/western backed ones or backed by Saudi Arabia because i have not had much interaction with any of the Arabs from other places). And keep in mind that most of the time that insults and trolling occur between the Iranians and Arabs , the Arabs are the Instigator.
And that's just my own experience.
Like this thread for example, How Washington stabbed the Saudis in the back which was made by the same user from that other thread where the Persian gulf trolling began, he who wouldn't accept 121 maps from 6th to 20th century referring to it as Persian gulf and went on to post a fake map (if it was fake that is) even though the ones i posted predated that one with a thousand years. And still he went on and now as you see, the next day what he did, so freaking childish.

Anyway, As long as the mod would be fair and neutral, i don't care what his nationality is.

 

[mohammadmahdi]

@Ostad
@Uhuhu
Vase chi ba in yaroo twilight bahs mikonin shoma?

Az key tahala hezbollahiya harfe hesab sareshoon mishe? Bikhial baba.

2 ta foshe abdar be heykaleshoon bishtar kar soorat mide ta bahs kardan bahashoon.

In tamamae farhange toe golabi ghorbati?

 

[mohammadmahdi]

I think Turkish muslim brothers are much much better than salafi n wahabi arabs

 

[Abii]

In tamamae farhange toe golabi ghorbati?

to boro namazeto bekhoon

 

[Esfand]

to boro namazeto bekhoon

Abii for president.. I'm serious, I would actually like to see how that would turn out

 

[Abii]

There are many different factors in a human's life and government's responsibilities includes many different areas. let's review some another aspects:
USA has the best higher education system in the world. you can look up every top university rankings in any field and you would see that most of them are american.
USA stands first when technology is concerned.
without any doubts, USA has the best army in the world that can protect her from any other country in the world.
USA has the most advanced medical services, and if you can afford it, you can expect the best available services, and treatment.
honestly, I don't care too much about income equality if all people have the opportunity to have a minimum welfare.


honestly, I don't care about those rankings at all. these are not some measurable things and at the end researchers would need to combine some uncorrelated data's and mix them with some arbitrary coefficients to make some mostly unreal conclusion. every person in the world can use a different weight system for different datas and conclude some other rankings.


That's exactly what I like about US. this is the meaning of having freedom, and this is called having a dynamic and progressive society. do not get me wrong, I am not a creationist! but in a dynamic society, people should be able to talk and share their views, even if they are stupid, and the real democracy would choose between all different views. creativity can always come from dynamic atmosphere and many times from very wild ideas.

Had to run out for a few hours and couldn't finish this, sorry. Now I don't feel like hating on Canada's pants anymore. We'll have to continue this later.

For now, I'll leave you with this. We have "more square feet of awesomeness per person than any other nation on earth." lol

 

[xenon54 out]

For now, I'll leave you with this. We have "more square feet of awesomeness per person than any other nation on earth." lol

Canada is like Europe of America.

Its an awesome Country.

 

[twilight]

سلام
جناب اوهوهو ... فعلا وقت ندارم مطلبتون رو بخونم ... گرفتاری داریم دیگه ...

فعلا شما حال و امروز رو دریاب تا بعد

وقتي مردم مي‌بينند كه پرونده سنگين آقازاده‌هاي يك خانواده خاص قفل مي‌شود باور نمي‌كنند كه دادگاه احمدي‌نژاد از روي عدالت است

یک سال قبل در همین ایام بنده در دو نطق، به برخورد تبعیض آمیز با پرونده یک آقا زاده اعتراض کردم. این شخص که سه سال به انگلیس پناه برده بود 12 مورد اتهامی دارد از جمله اخلال در نظم اقتصادی و پولشویی، اختلاس، جاسوسی، اقدام علیه امنیت ملی، پرونده های مالی سنگین در وزارت نفت، استفاده از اموال دولتی در انتخابات سال 84 به نفع پدرش، نقش محوری در فتنه و کودتای سال 88 و اختفای اسناد محرمانه، خیلی محرمانه، سرّی و به کلی سرّی دستگاه های عالی نظام که بر اساس اعلام مقامات قضایی، کیفر خواست این آقازاده 125 صفحه است.

همین بند برای اینکه چرا احمدی نژاد این بلاها سرش اومد و چطور این تحریم ها ی دقیق علیه ش انجام شد ، کافیه ... ادعا می کنی ولی نمی گی چرا احمدی نژاد و دولتش به اینجا رسیدند ... با این همه توطئه داخلی همین که کشور رو نگه داشتند ، خیلی کاره ... زمانی که یک گروه های سیاسی برای رسیدن به قدرت حاضرند که نون شب مردم رو با دادن اطلاعات کشور به خارجی ها و کمک در تحریم های هوشمند از دهنشون بکشند بیرون ، وضع کشور بهتر از این نمی شه ...

تازه این در حالی است که هنوز دستگاه قضایی به اظهارات مهدی هاشمی که در گفتگو با نیک آهنگ کوثر علنی شد، رسیدگی ای نداشته است. مهدی هاشمی در این فایل صوتی می گوید:
هنوز هم معتقدیم باید به رهبری فشار آورد. این هزینه اش از همه چیز کمتر است ... باید به آنهایی که در داخل کشور در حال جنگ (فتنه) هستند کمک کرد، الان بار بر دوش آنهاست ... حرف هایی که ماها می زنیم، حرف هایی که بابای من زد، از همه حرف های اقایون (اصلاح طلب) تندتر بود. ما تقسیم کار کرده ایم هر کسی کار خودش رو می کند. بابا کار خودش رو می کند... من وظیفه ای برایم تعریف شده که آن را انجام می دهم. دعوای من با بابا اینست که ما باید تهاجمی تر بشویم با اینها ... کارهایی که من کرده ام صد برابر بدتر از سخنرانی های شماهاست و نظام هم می داند که من دارم چه کار می کنم. و اینها هم می دانند اخلال هایی که در زمان رفتن رییس جمهور ایران (احمدی نژاد) به سازمان ملل ایجاد شد، توسط من بوده است و این مساله حتی به تاج زاده و بهزاد نبوی و رضا خاتمی و اینها هم بر خورده است! طرف های من می فهمند که من کی ام و می فهمند من دارم چه کاری علیه نظام می کنم و با من بد هستند ... اینکه من الان بخواهم رو بازی کنم خیلی زود است. البته من حرف های شما را قبول دارم که اقای هاشمی باید فتیله را بکشد بالا. ماها هیچ امتیاز عملی الان نمی توانیم از رهبری بگیریم و خیالت راحت باشد نظام هیچ امتیازی الان به ما نمی دهد."

از آن طرف می بینیم که فردی هنوز رییس جمهور کشور است ولی برایش احضاریه می رود و تاریخ دادگاهش مشخص می شود. آفرین بر دستگاه قضا این درست است. رییس جمهور هم در برابر عدالت قضایی مستثنی نیست شما با این کار مردم را امیدوار می کنید ولی وقتی مردم می بینند که پرونده سنگین شفاف آقازاده های یک خانواده خاص در دستگاه قضایی قفل می شود و سخنگوی دستگاه قضا یک سال است که در مصاحبه های مطبوعاتی خود هیچ جواب قانع کننده ای برای آن ندارد، باور نمی کنند که احضار و دادگاه احمدی نژاد از روی عدالت است و این نه تنها برای دستگاه قضا بلکه برای نظام اسلامی سمّ است.

ده رییس جمهور آمدند و رفتند،‌ هشت دوره مجلس تشکیل شد و رفت، آیا اصل 8 قانون اساسی در باره امر به معروف و نهی از منکر اجرایی شده؟ آقایی فقط به خاطر سیاست های غلط اقتصادی و فرهنگی دوره ریاست جمهوری اش که تورم 50 درصدی و فاصله طبقاتی و قهر مردم با صندوق های رأی را به دنبال داشت و ضرباتی که در فتنه 88 به نظام زده، چند هزار شاکی خصوصی دارد آن هم از خانواده شهدا ، احضار شده؟ آقای دیگری به دلیل رفتارهای دشمن شاد کنش در دوره اصلاحات آمریکایی و حرمت شکنی های فرهنگی و عملکردش در کودتای سال 88 ، شکایت های عمومی و خصوصی متعددی دارد، وی ممنوع الخروج شده اما آیا دادگاهش تشکیل شده؟

عزیز دل ، مشکل تراشیدن و بعد ااومدن و دم زدن اینکه فلانی تو زمانش فلان مشکل ایجاد شد ، سیاست جالبی هست ولیکن تاریخ به نظاره نشسته و خائنین را رسوا می کند ....

فعلا اگه جناح مورد نظر شما خیلی ادعا داره و به اعتدال و راستگویشش می نازه ، بهتره بیاد و نشون بده چی تو چنته داره ... نه اینکه موفقیت چهارتا کارگر فوتبالیست ساحلی رو به نام ودش تمام کنه در حالی که هنوز یک هفته نشده که وزیر ورزشش انتخاب شده !!!

در واکنش به گزارش ۱۰۰ روزه احمدی‌نژاد روحانی را به مناظره دعوت کرد

بنده کلا روحیه ام توی فضای وب خراب شده ، می خوام برای ارشد بخونم ، برای همین هم تا هفته ی آینده نمیام ... جواب می تونیید بدید ، ولی اگه بخواین به صورت شخصی حمله کنید نه جوابتون رو می دم نه دیگه پست هاتون رو می خونم ... خیلی راحت مثل این اعراب ، می فرستمتون تو لیست نادیده گرفته شده ها ...

 

[twilight]

some member that I put them in my Ignore list ... I advice you to add them in your ignore list ... they are trolls , reading their posts is just wasting of your time ...... PUT THE TROLLS IN YOUR IGNORE LIST

Arabian Legend
ASQ-1918
atatwolf
Banu Umayyah
BATMAN
explorer9
Oghuzhanlar
mahatir
Ottoman-Smack
Ottoman-Turk
Quasar
Targon
thefreesyrian
TR.1
TurAr
Wright
Yzd Khalifa

now that I look at my ignore list , I realized that there is no zionist member in my ignore list .... just ... it is funny ....

Although , there is more member in my ignore list ...

 

[Uhuhu]

شما ابتدا جواب قبلی ها رو بدهید به اینها هم می رسیم. گفتم که. ترول وار رفتار نکنید. خاله زنکی یک کلمه بیاندازید بروید اسمش مباحثه نیست. جربزه داشته باشید یک موضوع مطرح کنید ادامه بدید. اگر جوابی ندارید جز یک سری سخن وهم آلود. شما را به خیر و ما را به سلامت و بودن در لیست شما نه برای من مهم است نه خیری دارد. اگر اینجا بوده باشید بنده بیشتر اوقات پست ارسال نمی کنم مگر حرفی وجود داشته باشد و بتوان بحثی منطقی ایجاد کرد. جواب شما را هم تنها بر اساس احترام به دیگر ایرانیان اینجا دادم و الا اگر تنها من و شما بودیم بنده هیچگاه وقت خود را صرف کسی که هنوز نمی تواند شمرده شمرده یک موضوعی را به بحث بگذارد و یک سره در حال نوک زدن به هزار و یک توهم و ادعا هست نمی کردم.
به جای این جاده خاکی ها بهتر است به همان موضوع تمامیت ارضی که مطرح کردید بپردازیم.

در ضمن شما اگر مشکل روحی روانی دارید می توانید اینجا نیایید تا هم خودتان و هم بقیه آرامش داشته باشند و به فعالیت بپردازند. جالبیه قضیه اینجاست که 35 سال بر خر مراد سوار بوده اید و 8 سال اخیر آنچنان یکه تازی کرده اید و حتی کوچکترین نظر ساده ی مخالف از همفکران خودتان را تاب تحمل نیاورده اید، امروز که یک عده که تنها کمی با شما اختلاف در روش اجرایی دارند و دولت را به دست گرفته اند اینچنین ماتم گرفته اید و ادعای بی اعصابی و خراب بودن آن را می کنید که گویی چه زجری می کشید.
شما که این هستید. پس میلیونها ایرانی دیگر که سالهاست از کوچکترین حق صحبت آزادانه درباره اندیشه هایشان و بودن در میهن خود به علت دیکتاتوری امثال شما محروم بوده اند چه کشیده اند و چه اعصابی باید داشته باشند؟

در ضمن جناح من؟؟؟ عرض کردم بنده طرفدار هیچ جناح اصلاح طلبی نیستم. ولی این را خوب می دانم که عملکرد آنها با اشتباهاتی که داشته اند هرچه بوده است هزاران بار بهتر از همفکران شما بوده است.

به جای این سفسطه بازیها و آوردن موضوعات بی ربط فعلا جواب همان یک موضوع تمامیت ارضی که در پست قبلی خدمت شما عرض شد را بدهید، پس از آن به موضوعات دیگر که مایل باشید هم می رسیم.

 

[haman10]

@Sinan @T-123456 hey pals , u r into a coup without me ?

 

[Uhuhu]

@Ostad
@Uhuhu
Vase chi ba in yaroo twilight bahs mikonin shoma?

Az key tahala hezbollahiya harfe hesab sareshoon mishe? Bikhial baba.

2 ta foshe abdar be heykaleshoon bishtar kar soorat mide ta bahs kardan bahashoon.

Abii aziz, man be ien ellat javab dadam zira ienja jaiist ke iranihaye dge ham mataleb ra mikhanand. shayad ien aziz tasavor konand ienja kasi javabi nadarad ke saketim.

albatte harfe shoma ham sahih ast, ba har kasi bayad ba zabane khodash sokhan goft. vali mokhatabe man tanha khode shakhse moghabel nist.

bande bahs ra mikonam, karbarhaye dge ke mikhanand, fekr mikonand, harfhaye aanha ra mibinand, harfhaye man ra ham mibinand, az anjaii ke kasi hamdigar ra nemishenasad. adam aaghel natije giri sahih ra mikonad, zira kasi ke haghighat ra befahmad vali serfan bekhahad mokhalefat konad, avvalin nafari ke farib dade ast khodash ast.

mokhatabe man tanha shakhse iishan nist, balke digaran hastand, vali agar iishan ham tavannaii bahs dasht ke behtar ham mishavad.


jenabe twili hatta nemitavanad yek bahs ra be saranjam beresanad, har posti ke midahad tekeii az yek seri shaye ra migozarad o miravad, nemitavanad yek mozu entekhab konand o matrah konanad o yek bahs ijad konand,

dalilash fagaht be ien khater ast ke javabi nadarand , hamin raftar ra fardi mesle ahmadinejad anjam dad ke be ienja reside ast. agar ienha ahle bahso tafakor o mobahese boodand ke digar ien moshkelat vojood nadasht.

dar zemn man kheyli vaghtha delam mikhahad poste shoma ro thank konam vali bishtare oghat hamishe 2 3 ta foshe abdar ham havale kardeiid o tond ba ienha barkhord kardeiid ke digar nemishavad thank kard.