Iranian Chill Thread

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Why are the hezbollah and Iran so passive against aggressions on their sovereignty and honor from Israel. This is turning into schoolyard bullying and this is what initially got the jews in the first place way overinflated in themselves.. This is what previously set the bad example and it is back to square one.. Why are they allowing themselves to get bullied by this tiny entity.. targetting so many officers and killed many currently by dropping leaflets and just bullying like school kids. Today they dropped leaflets.

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On May 27, the Israeli military dropped leaflets with photos of Syrian Arab Army (SAA) officers and commanders of Lebanon’s Hezbollah over the southern Syrian governorate of al-Quneitra.

Brig. Gen. Hussein Hammouch, commander of the 1st Corps’ 90th Brigade, and Munir Ali Naeem Shaito, a senior commander of Hezbollah, can be both seen in the photos.

Shaito, also known as “Jawad Hashim” and “Haj Hashim,” is reportedly one of Hezbollah’s top commanders in al-Qunitra and a personal advisor to Brig. Gen. Hammouch. “A criminal like his father” was written under Shaito photo in the leaflets.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397855574298136582

 

[sha ah]

Iran does not directly control Hezbollah and right now there is an economic crisis in Lebanon so any conflict with Israel is off the table for them. When Hamas fired thousands of rockets from Gaza, where did those rockets come from ? Does Jordan or Saudi dare sent them anything for help ? Even a bullet ? I doubt it. All those rockets that hit Israel were from Iran.

Realistically Iran, like any country with allies or proxy groups, isn't going to respond everytime something happens to one of its proxies or Israel claims to do this or this group does that. In Syria, every other day Turkish proxy groups are attacked by SAA / Russia etc does Turkey respond everytime ? Can they bother ? What does Jordan do ? Watch while their Arab brethren are treated like cattle by Israeli's ? When did you lose your honor and dignity ? 1950's or 60's ? What happened 6 days ? I forget, recount please.

Why are the hezbollah and Iran so passive against aggressions on their sovereignty and honor from Israel. This is turning into schoolyard bullying and this is what initially got the jews in the first place way overinflated in themselves.. This is what previously set the bad example and it is back to square one.. Why are they allowing themselves to get bullied by this tiny entity.. targetting so many officers and killed many currently by dropping leaflets and just bullying like school kids. Today they dropped leaflets.

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On May 27, the Israeli military dropped leaflets with photos of Syrian Arab Army (SAA) officers and commanders of Lebanon’s Hezbollah over the southern Syrian governorate of al-Quneitra.

Brig. Gen. Hussein Hammouch, commander of the 1st Corps’ 90th Brigade, and Munir Ali Naeem Shaito, a senior commander of Hezbollah, can be both seen in the photos.

Shaito, also known as “Jawad Hashim” and “Haj Hashim,” is reportedly one of Hezbollah’s top commanders in al-Qunitra and a personal advisor to Brig. Gen. Hammouch. “A criminal like his father” was written under Shaito photo in the leaflets.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397855574298136582

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Iran does not directly control Hezbollah and right now there is an economic crisis in Lebanon so any conflict with Israel is off the table for them. When Hamas fired thousands of rockets from Gaza, where did those rockets come from ? Does Jordan or Saudi dare sent them anything for help ? Even a bullet ? I doubt it. All those rockets that hit Israel were from Iran.

Realistically Iran, like any country with allies or proxy groups, isn't going to respond everytime something happens to one of its proxies or Israel claims to do this or this group does that. In Syria, every other day Turkish proxy groups are attacked by SAA / Russia etc does Turkey respond everytime ? Can they bother ? What does Jordan do ? Watch while their Arab brethren are treated like cattle by Israeli's ? When did you lose your honor and dignity ? 1950's or 60's ? What happened 6 days ? I forget, recount please.

Lol you trying to flip the page here but you only send one rocket the remaining were home-made Hamas rockets.

Sending one type of rocket doesn't mean much but nobody howering over the other countries you mentioned they can move freely and do whatever they want.

Turkey targtes SAA if they make ceasefire vialotions russia does the same... They are both guaraantors of the ceasefire..

1. Israel is not party to this ceasefire...

2. Israel is targetting Iranian offiers and servicemen across all of Syria high ranking once.. (Even Iraq Solemani)

3. Israel is killing Hezbollah for free

4. Israel is not only targetting them in Syria but everywhere else.

5. Israel is killing Iranian leaders inside Iran..

6. Israel has completed over 100k airstrikes on a sovereign state without a single reply...

That my friend is definition of folding and bending over for someone. Your actions have consequences which directly cost both the 2019 India-Pak and the 2021 Gaza-Israel wars to occur.. Your self restraint patience is unparalleled and somewhat pathetic. I don't understand the point behind absorbing

 

[sha ah]

Homemade Hamas rockets ? The international press disagrees with your consensus. They reached further than ever and caused more destruction than ever. They were all from Iran. Every single one of them. Just like Yemeni drones. They're not made out of melted tin cans in mud huts.

With Iranian Help, Hamas Builds ‘Made in Gaza’ Rockets and Drones to Target Israel
More than 4,000 rockets fired; thousands more left in the arsenal, Israelis estimate

With Iranian Help, Hamas Builds ‘Made in Gaza’ Rockets and Drones to Target Israel

Behind the rocket onslaught, defense officials in Israel and security analysts say, is an extensive arsenal built with expertise from Iran and local skills in arms manufacturing.

www.wsj.com

In Syria, everyday, every other day Turkish proxies get blown up or targeted by Russia, SAA, Turkey often does nothing. Russia has a military alliance with Armenia, but they also sell weapons to Azerbaijan. Are Russians going to act like a defensive jealous boyfriend or an automatic coffee maker robot everytime Armenians get in trouble ?

I think what you don't understand is that relationships are not black and white when it comes to allies and proxies. Often times they act on their own accord and a large country isn't going to be a slave to their every will and whim

In any case, whoever that Hezbollah militant was, he must have really made the Israel VERY angry. Think about it. They went through all the effort of printing his picture and then dropping it everywhere ? That takes alot of effort. LOL

I don't know what he did but whatever he did, it's 1000x more than the King of ordon in the last 20 years. That's for sure.

What do these entitled Arab Sheikhdoms do anyways ? Last time I heard MBS was spending hundreds of millions on that Da Vinci painting from Europe just to hide it in his closet or personal yatch with high class escorts LOL ?

Mohammed bin Salman hung $450m Leonardo da Vinci painting Salvator Mundi on yacht

Mohammed bin Salman hung $450m Leonardo da Vinci painting Salvator Mundi on yacht

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Basically they lead extremely shallow, entitled lives, indulging in western luxuries, spending as much of the national budget as they want on Russian escorts and luxuries their average citizens can never afford. LOL Great contribution to humanity.

Yeah we know Israel is killing Iranian high ranking generals everyday. 1 a day everyday or 10 a day if you like. Not Iranian "backed" as they call them but Iranian ranked generals like you say okay sure, but funny thing is that after 10 years Iran is still there ? When was the last time you were there or even did anything at all ? 1950 ?

Again can you please remind me what happened in the 6 day war because it was so terrible humiliating that until today, until 2021, you still have PTSD and can't get your honor and integrity back or even your confidence back to even say something to them.

LOL you don't even say anything to them. You're so afraid of them. They traumatized you so badly. How many generations or ordan did they destabilize ?

Atleast Erdogan yaps, even though he can't lift a finger, he still acts like a Muslim leader, pretends to right ? LOL Little Qataris have 1000x more balls then ordon or al saud who only bomb Yemeni children from the air but can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, as the Americans say about your type.

Lol you trying to flip the page here but you only send one rocket the remaining were home-made Hamas rockets.

Sending one type of rocket doesn't mean much but nobody howering over the other countries you mentioned they can move freely and do whatever they want.

Turkey targtes SAA if they make ceasefire vialotions russia does the same... They are both guaraantors of the ceasefire..

1. Israel is not party to this ceasefire...

2. Israel is targetting Iranian offiers and servicemen across all of Syria high ranking once..

3. Israel is killing Hezbollah for free

4. Israel is not only targetting them in Syria but everywhere else.

5. Israel is killing Iranian leaders inside Iran..

6. Israel has completed over 100k airstrikes on a sovereign state without a single reply...

That my friend is definition of folding and bending over for someone

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Homemade Hamas rockets ? The international press disagrees with your consensus. They reached further than ever and caused more destruction than ever.

In Syria, everyday, every other day Turkish proxies get blown up or targeted by Russia, SAA, Turkey often does nothing. I think what you don't understand is that things are not black and white when it comes to allies and proxies. Often times they act on their own accord and a large country isn't going to be a victim to their every will and whim

In any case, whoever that Hezbollah militant was, he must have really made the Israel VERY angry. Think about it. They went through all the effort of printing his picture and then dropping it everywhere ? I don't know what he did but whatever he did, it's 1000x more than the King of ordon in the last 20 years.

What do these entitled Arab Sheikhdoms do anyways ? Last time I heard MBS was spending hundreds of millions on a Monet painting from Europe just to hide it in his closet or personal collection. Basically they live an entitled lives, western luxuries, spending as much of the national budget as they want on Russian escorts and luxuries their average citizens can never afford. LOL Great contribution to humanity.

Yeah we know Israel is killing Iranian high ranking generals everyday. Not Iranian backed as they call them but Iranian ranked generals like you say okay sure, but after 10 years Iran is still there ? When was the last time you were there or even did anything at all ? 1950 ?

Again can you please remind me what happened in the 6 day war because it was so bad that until today, until 2021 you still have PTSD and can't get your honor and integrity back or even your confidence back to even say something to them. You don't even say anything to them. Little Qataris have 1000x more balls then ordon or al saud who only bomb Yemeni children from the air but bow down to Netanyahu like he's a deity.

You lost the ball completely here? Why doesn't Russia in return do anything about when Turkey is bombing and killing their proxies the Hezbollah, SAA and ragtags? As I have said they are both parties to the ceasefire.. The same thing the Rebels all the time kill SAA when ceasefire violation occurs... This is completely another topic..

Let us not bring that nonsense into this or other sovereign nations that don't have anything to do with this subject... I don't recall Israel making one provocations attempt on Saudi Sovereignty, foreign assets or troops nor anyone else in the region..

Don't start to foam from the mouth because the truth hurts.. Why you keep acting tough when you in reality folded and bullied like a kid.. Throwing leaflets at you while targetting your offiecers. etc etc.. Israel has declared unofficial war on you and no one else in the region. Going after your assets, leaders and officers.

You want honor and respect you take it but you don't claim your way to it.. You got deflowered like a virgin and you are the only state actor Israel has deflowered.. start to reply and then begin to get respect but don't fold and bend over and come in here and act super tough..

Because you have no reply to this atrocities so you begin to talk about people who have no dog-fight in this incidents. This is your shit with Israel and the topic is you and them.. Stay focussed on topic and don't try to deflect into other jumbo mumbo that is not relevant to this topic.. You are someone whos in an unofficial active war with Israel and you are talking about other irrelevant topics instead of thinking about a proper reply

 

[sha ah]

Just remind me what happened in 6 day war, I forgot. Also let me know when you will mentally recover from it. Also are Palestinians Arabs ? Why don't you atleast raise your voice ? Even the western mainstream media can't hide it anymore.

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I know you were utterly humiliated infront of the entire world and it was extremely difficult and bitter, but are you going to bend over for Israel forever ? So in another 50 years you STILL won't say anything ?

So the Israeli's completely took away your confidence for all time ? Forever ? That's so pathetic. LOL

When it comes to Hezbollah, Israel supported by the USA has to make leaflets and go through all the trouble of dropping them to try and get attention.

Meanwhile ordon and saudi are the laughing stocks of the planet. Permanently bent over since 1960's. Like a homoerotic relic of the past. OMG. No wonder you're ashamed of being Arab or Muslim.

LOL

You know what's funny. Gaza, little Gaza with help from Iran, did more damage to Israel in 11 days and performed better than you did you in the 6 day war. Is that why you're so upset ? Oh so that's it, now I get it.

Israel’s agreement of an unconditional ceasefire is actually an admission of defeat

After rejecting previous offers, Israel finally agreed to a ceasefire with Hamas, figuring it had killed enough Palestinian civilians. Yet, does the belated move betray an admission of defeat?

www.rt.com

You lost the ball completely here? Why doesn't Russia in return do anything about when Turkey is bombing and killing their proxies the Hezbollah, SAA and ragtags? As I have said they are both parties to the ceasefire.. The same thing the Rebels all the time kill SAA when ceasefire violation occurs... This is completely another topic..

Let us not bring that nonsense into this or other sovereign nations that don't have anything to do with this subject... I don't recall Israel making one provocations attempt on Saudi Sovereignty, foreign assets or troops nor anyone else in the region..

Don't start to foam from the mouth because the truth hurts.. Why you keep acting tough when you in reality folded and bullied like a kid.. Throwing leaflets at you while targetting your offiecers. etc etc.. Israel has declared unofficial war on you and no one else in the region. Going after your assets, leaders and officers.

You want honor and respect you take it but you don't claim your way to it.. You got deflowered like a virgin and you are the only state actor Israel has deflowered.. start to reply and then begin to get respect but don't fold and bend over and come in here and act super tough..

Because you have no reply to this atrocities so you begin to talk about people who have no dog-fight in this incidents. This your shit with Israel and the topic is you and them.. Stay focussed on topic and don't try to deflect into other jumbo mumbo that is not relevant to this topic.. You are someone whos in an unofficial active war with Israel and you are talking about other irrelevant topics instead of thinking about a proper reply

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Just remind me what happened in 6 day war, I forgot. Also let me know when you will mentally recover from it. Also are Palestinians Arabs ? Why don't you atleast raise your voice ?

I know you were utterly humiliated infront of the entire world and it was extremely difficult but are you going to bend over for Israel forever ? So in 50 years you still won't say anything ?

So the Israeli's completely took away your confidence for all time ? Forever ? That's so pathetic. LOL

When it comes to Hezbollah, Israel supported by the USA has to make leaflets and go through all the trouble of dropping them to try and get attention.

Meanwhile ordon and saudi are the laughing stocks of the planet. Permanently bent over since 1960's. Like a homoerotic relic of the past. OMG. No wonder you're ashamed of being Arab or Muslim.

LOL

Why you even talking about a war that happened more then a half century ago people who were alive that era are not even alive today.. Where have you seen a conventional war end in 6 days? Such thing is militarily impossible even against the most lightly armed off people. It was stopped due to Washington wanting to get involved it was from a by gone era.. Irrelevant today but what is not irrelevant is that you are in an unofficial active war Today-currently and still pending..

And you are here instead of staying on topic you are throwing tantrums at the work three all together.

Insulting the wrong people who have no dog-fight in this.. This unofficial war will not go away and you can't wish it away.. Because you have incited them either defend yourself or fold is all the same.. But these others you mentioned respect is intact.. The chellenge is on their court when it comes to them but didn't.. Also Hamas is capable of taking care of itself.

Lets see Israel wage unofficial war on someone else? They will never do that not even against Hamas.. Start replying and quit the nonsense and conspiracy theory against others the Ball is on your court..

Your mental reasoning is flawed Israel-hamas fought 11 days. They have shown the ability to take care of themselves which is even more damning for you because if they can who are you waiting for to come and save you from them? You brought in 100 other states and Israel has not fired a single bullet against them.. While you took 100k direct hits no answer yet?

Let me see some response and reaction

 

[Dariush the Great]

@Mohamed Bin Tughlaq


There are only very few people who truly understand how the Iranian establishment operates. Ironically one of the very few are the Israelis themselves (i will point it out later in this post). The classical tit for tat you expect from other nations is fortunately absent from Iran. Iranian leadership has shown to be extremely patient, rational and calculated in its path towards its ultimate goal. Which is obviously tightening the screws on the illegitimate Israeli regime from all directions despite enjoying the full support of the entire Western world.

During the past 4 decades Iran has been on the brink of several full scale wars that threatened its sovereignty.. (at least one of them was successfully imposed on Iran unfortunately and that was totally unavoidable (Iran-Iraq war). The other instances were the conflicts with the Soviet Union, Saudi Arabia (both of them 80's and the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (90's) and again Iraq in the early 2000's. And let's not forget the Soleimani saga (early 2020) in which the enemy tried to drag Iran into a full blown devastating war. The Iranian supreme leader as the ultimate leader and nr.1 decision maker has shown to be an extremely smart politician and patient man. He has singlehandedly saved Iran from 3 wars and at most times going against all advisors suggesting different course of action.

What you are suggesting Iran to do is exactly what the enemy wants. The enemy wants Iran to respond brazenly so they have the excuse to force Iran to play by their rules. Why should Iran play by their rules? What would Iran get out of a random missile strike on a IDF base? It will just allow Israel to victimize itself further and cry in front the United Nations to increase the pressure on Iran. Find me a single nation on this planet that has several powerful armed groups on its side establishing a ring of fire around Israel while at the same time maintaining cordial relations with the rest of the world (and soon most sanctions lifted as well). Only smart Iranian leadership is able to do this.


Iran does not want a war. War brings destruction and misery. It takes many generations to build an entire country. You can not risk it so easily like in a video game. Only incompetent dictators like Saddam gamble with their country. Iran under the leadership of Khamenei is too patriotic and sincere to play with Iran's safety like that -despite what exiled LA clowns tell you-. Iran is fighting a just battle.. it is empowering the local people fighting their oppressors. It does not seek war and destruction.


About the supposed airstrikes targeting Iranians. Show me bodies, coffins, ceremonies of the fallen Iranians. Sure, some have died assisting the local troops but their numbers do not exceed 100 in these 9+years since the start of the Syrian war. Iran is not North Korea. There are millions of users with VPN.. slightest electricity outage on some random street gets over-reported. You think we will miss the casualties of the Syria war? What about their families, friends etc? The Israelis know what Iran is doing so it is natural to see their panic reaction. Everyday they are screaming their lungs out. This is very normal panic behavior. They realize the ultimate Iranian planning.

Do not believe everything you read in the media. Use some common sense my friend.

 

[sha ah]

Watch this video and then remember that the young Arab girl in this video has more pride and dignity than the king of ordon and mbs combined together 100 times. Put your head down and remember "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Nobody is alive from 1967 ? LOL How old are you really ? 14 ? 12 ?

Why you even talking about a war that happened more then a half century ago people who were alive that era are not even alive today.. Where have you seen a conventional war end in 6 days? Such thing is militarily impossible even against the most lightly armed off people. It was stopped due to Washington wanting to get involved it was from a by gone era.. Irrelevant today but what is not irrelevant is that you are in an unofficial active war Today-currently and still pending..

And you are here instead of staying on topic you are throwing tantrums at the work three all together.

Insulting the wrong people who have no dog-fight in this.. This unofficial war will not go away and you can't wish it away.. Because you have incited them either defend yourself or fold is all the same.. But these others you mentioned respect is intact.. The chellenge is on their court when it comes to them but didn't.. Also Hamas is capable of taking care of itself.

Lets see Israel wage unofficial war on someone else? They will never do that not even against Hamas.. Start replying and quit the nonsense and conspiracy theory against others the Ball is on your court..

Your mental reasoning is flawed Israel-hamas fought 11 days. They have shown the ability to take care of themselves which is even more damning for you because if they can who are you waiting for to come and save you from them? You brought in 100 other states and Israel has not fired a single bullet against them.. While you took 100k direct hits no answer yet?

Let me see some response and reaction

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

@Mohamed Bin Tughlaq


There are only very few people who truly understand how the Iranian establishment operates. Ironically one of the very few are the Israelis themselves (i will point it out later in this post). The classical tit for tat you expect from other nations is fortunately absent from Iran. Iranian leadership has shown to be extremely patient, rational and calculated in its path towards its ultimate goal. Which is obviously tightening the screws on the illegitimate Israeli regime from all directions despite enjoying the full support of the entire Western world.

During the past 4 decades Iran has been on the brink of several full scale wars that threatened its sovereignty.. (at least one of them was successfully imposed on Iran unfortunately and that was totally unavoidable (Iran-Iraq war). The other instances were the conflicts with the Soviet Union, Saudi Arabia (both of them 80's and the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (90's) and again Iraq in the early 2000's. And let's not forget the Soleimani saga (early 2020) in which the enemy tried to drag Iran into a full blown devastating war. The Iranian supreme leader as the ultimate leader and nr.1 decision maker has shown to be an extremely smart politician and patient man. He has singlehandedly saved Iran from 3 wars and at most times going against all advisors suggesting different course of action.

What you are suggesting Iran to do is exactly what the enemy wants. The enemy wants Iran to respond brazenly so they have the excuse to force Iran to play by their rules. Why should Iran play by their rules? What would Iran get out of a random missile strike on a IDF base? It will just allow Israel to victimize itself further and cry in front the United Nations to increase the pressure on Iran. Find me a single nation on this planet that has several powerful armed groups on its side establishing a ring of fire around Israel while at the same time maintaining cordial relations with the rest of the world (and soon most sanctions lifted as well). Only smart Iranian leadership is able to do this.


Iran does not want a war. War brings destruction and misery. It takes many generations to build an entire country. You can not risk it so easily like in a video game. Only incompetent dictators like Saddam gamble with their country. Iran under the leadership of Khamenei is too patriotic and sincere to play with Iran's safety like that -despite what exiled LA clowns tell you-. Iran is fighting a just battle.. it is empowering the local people fighting their oppressors. It does not seek war and destruction.


About the supposed airstrikes targeting Iranians. Show me bodies, coffins, ceremonies of the fallen Iranians. Sure, some have died assisting the local troops but their numbers do not exceed 100 in these 9+years since the start of the Syrian war. Iran is not North Korea. There are millions of users with VPN.. slightest electricity outage on some random street gets over-reported. You think we will miss the casualties of the Syria war? What about their families, friends etc? The Israelis know what Iran is doing so it is natural to see their panic reaction. Everyday they are screaming their lungs out. This is very normal panic behavior. They realize the ultimate Iranian planning.

Do not believe everything you read in the media. Use some common sense my friend.

I appreciate the reply it was generally wise and well delivered but there is underlaying contradictions in the long term strategy.

The problem maybe lays in that everyone sees your planning coming. There is no secrecy surrounding that. It is like playing in a poker table with someone but they are holding their cards the opposite direction facing you and where everyone can see it.

Play your hand wisely or leave the table and returning back when you are ready to play. That is an option not explored by the Iranians which imo would be even wiser choice.

I honestly fail to understand the long term strategetic planning of Revolution guards. Israel sees you coming and everyone else does. Weaponize south lebanon and wait until Iran is completely ready to go and then attack to eliminate Israel completely from south Lebanon? Perhaps 2-3 decades from now but they have seen your hand.

The victor is always the one whos withdrawn and you don't see what his holding and what his playing with. Israel herself is predictable but way less predictable then the Guards and have alot of unpredictable nature to their policies. The unpredictable players are mostly in Asia minus China and Iran and Europe minus Russia. The remaining are faceless you won't be able to guess whether his gonna sell his wife or not tomorrow. India is also exposed but atleast lesser then the Guards atleast.

strategetic planning is that you don't get yourself locked into prolonged conflicts but you don't stay in the limelight at the same time. Also restraint patience is also not part of strategetic goal for there has to be somewhat of red-lines but you can't sacrifice that for peace.

Example Pakistan It honestly didn't care whether nuclear war happened or not as long as their red-lines is set in stone. It doesn't mean they wanted war but they understand the value of setting great example here so that the foe understands if we go down we go down totally you won't cross me or my lines. This was an alpha move and India was alpha'ed in this instances without breaking it's long term strategetic planning.

Once Israel crosses Iran's red-lines that is when you punish them without overdoing it but punishing them is key. Just like what Hamas did here telling them that there is a clear red-line to not cross over by going hard on them. Nobody will approach a venomous snake it is human nature it will bite if it's red-lines are crossed. That is why red-lines are key and Iran and her allies needs to cease the opportunities once this happens and punish them for it immediately make them pay. Keep their borders area warm for few days but they will eventually learn the lesson

 

[Titanium100]

@Mohamed Bin Tughlaq

During the past 4 decades Iran has been on the brink of several full scale wars that threatened its sovereignty.. (at least one of them was successfully imposed on Iran unfortunately and that was totally unavoidable (Iran-Iraq war). The other instances were the conflicts with the Soviet Union, Saudi Arabia (both of them 80's and the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (90's) and again Iraq in the early 2000's. And let's not forget the Soleimani saga (early 2020) in which the enemy tried to drag Iran into a full blown devastating war. The Iranian supreme leader as the ultimate leader and nr.1 decision maker has shown to be an extremely smart politician and patient man. He has singlehandedly saved Iran from 3 wars and at most times going against all advisors suggesting different course of action.

What you are suggesting Iran to do is exactly what the enemy wants. The enemy wants Iran to respond brazenly so they have the excuse to force Iran to play by their rules. Why should Iran play by their rules? What would Iran get out of a random missile strike on a IDF base? It will just allow Israel to victimize itself further and cry in front the United Nations to increase the pressure on Iran. Find me a single nation on this planet that has several powerful armed groups on its side establishing a ring of fire around Israel while at the same time maintaining cordial relations with the rest of the world (and soon most sanctions lifted as well). Only smart Iranian leadership is able to do this.


Iran does not want a war. War brings destruction and misery. It takes many generations to build an entire country. You can not risk it so easily like in a video game. Only incompetent dictators like Saddam gamble with their country. Iran under the leadership of Khamenei is too patriotic and sincere to play with Iran's safety like that -despite what exiled LA clowns tell you-. Iran is fighting a just battle.. it is empowering the local people fighting their oppressors. It does not seek war and destruction.

Do not believe everything you read in the media. Use some common sense my friend.

I can agree with some of the things you said there but what If i told you that the enemy didn't want you to respond but was bluffing you all along and you took the bluff.

Just think over this for a second if you retaliate whos gonna aid them? You don't obviously have to over retaliate but you got keep their borders warm or fire upon the northern cities couple of rockets everytime and attack comes your way tit for tat the universal balance will be set

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

I can agree with some of the things you said there but what If i told you that the enemy didn't want you to respond but was bluffing you all along and you took the bluff.

Just think over this for a second if you retaliate whos gonna aid them? You don't obviously have to over retaliate but you got keep their borders warm or fire upon the northern cities couple of rockets everytime and attack comes your way tit for tat the universal balance will be set

The Israeli state is alot weaker then many assume nobody will come to their aid immediately because it's gonna take hell'va alot of time for them to mobilize and arrive there perhaps around 1-2 month it will take them to arrive there and the logistics surrounding is tough and difficult so some might not even come to aid them(US). You keep their borders warm everytime it steps out of line like a little kid Where you pinch them by the ears.

You don't have to do it from Lebanon but Syria is the right platform to do this because Russia is already in that territory. Qunteria area you hit them there and hit on the Golan heights and the northern part to start the alarms allover the area..

 

[Titanium100]

The Israeli state is alot weaker then many assume nobody will come to their aid immediately because it's gonna take hell'va alot of time for them to mobilize and arrive there perhaps around 1-2 month it will take them to arrive there and the logistics surrounding is tough and difficult so some might not even come to aid them(US). You keep their borders warm everytime it steps out of line like a little kid Where you pinch them by the ears.

You don't have to do it from Lebanon but Syria is the right platform to do this because Russia is already in that territory. Qunteria area you hit them there and hit on the Golan heights and the northern part to start the alarms allover the area..

Exactly. I was telling this forum like for 3 years ago that Israel is extremely fragile and it doesn't have either military edge anywhere but glad some people started to listen eventually as time gone by Reality is taking hold and consensus will eventually change. For some reality may come evident for them 10 years later while for some 10 years earlier but nonetheless the forum is making a progress in the right direction in the public consensus department. But I haven't seen one single Iranian who has on the hype train but it was majority some random pakistani laymen and groupies on this forum but I don't blame the laymen either this is not their expertise and they don't understand military, tech and strategy and all that stuff is to complex for them

 

[sha ah]

If all the Muslim countries united against Israel then they would surely be forced to compromise and respect Palestinian sovereignty atleast.

Unfortunately In Islamic world 99% of Arabs are sleeping or silent. Only Erdogan raises his voice but in reality he won't raise a finger. Only Iran sends weapons, that's all. That's the truth.

The Arabs, they outnumber Israel 100 to 1 but they're all so scared and embarrassed. Israel cut off their balls a long time ago.

Exactly. I was telling this forum like for 3 years ago that Israel is extremely fragile and it doesn't have either military edge anywhere but glad some people started to listen eventually as time gone by Reality is taking hold and consensus will eventually change. For some reality may come evident for them 10 years later while for some 10 years earlier but nonetheless the forum is making a progress in the right direction in the public consensus department. But I haven't seen one single Iranian who has on the hype train but it was majority some random pakistani laymen and groupies on this forum but I don't blame the laymen either this is not their expertise and they don't understand military, tech and strategy and all that stuff is to complex for them

The problem is Iran can't use Syrian / Lebanese land or airspace without their consent. These are not Iran's lackey's like those militias Erdogan controls who take direct orders and he can send them to Libya one month, Armenia the next, then Syria the next again.

No Iran's allies mostly do not work in that arrangement.Iran has some influence but not direct control. Hezbollah, SAA in Syria, they have their own agenda and won't always cooperate.

So what is Iran supposed to do ? Iran only sends weapons mostly and some advisors. For the most part Israel targets Iranian backed militias and they usually make claims and don't show nothing. It's hit and miss. In reality most of their talk is nonsense you won't see any evidence, just barking.

You can believe whatever you want though, that's your choice.

I appreciate the reply it was generally wise and well delivered but there is underlaying contradictions in the long term strategy.

The problem maybe lays in that everyone sees your planning coming. There is no secrecy surrounding that. It is like playing in a poker table with someone but they are holding their cards the opposite direction facing you and where everyone can see it.

Play your hand wisely or leave the table and returning back when you are ready to play. That is an option not explored by the Iranians which imo would be even wiser choice.

I honestly fail to understand the long term strategetic planning of Revolution guards. Israel sees you coming and everyone else does. Weaponize south lebanon and wait until Iran is completely ready to go and then attack to eliminate Israel completely from south Lebanon? Perhaps 2-3 decades from now but they have seen your hand.

The victor is always the one whos withdrawn and you don't see what his holding and what his playing with. Israel herself is predictable but way less predictable then the Guards and have alot of unpredictable nature to their policies. The unpredictable players are mostly in Asia minus China and Iran and Europe minus Russia. The remaining are faceless you won't be able to guess whether his gonna sell his wife or not tomorrow. India is also exposed but atleast lesser then the Guards atleast.

strategetic planning is that you don't get yourself locked into prolonged conflicts but you don't stay in the limelight at the same time. Also restraint patience is also not part of strategetic goal for there has to be somewhat of red-lines but you can't sacrifice that for peace.

Example Pakistan It honestly didn't care whether nuclear war happened or not as long as their red-lines is set in stone. It doesn't mean they wanted war but they understand the value of setting great example here so that the foe understands if we go down we go down totally you won't cross me or my lines. This was an alpha move and India was alpha'ed in this instances without breaking it's long term strategetic planning.

Once Israel crosses Iran's red-lines that is when you punish them without overdoing it but punishing them is key. Just like what Hamas did here telling them that there is a clear red-line to not cross over by going hard on them. Nobody will approach a venomous snake it is human nature it will bite if it's red-lines are crossed. That is why red-lines are key and Iran and her allies needs to cease the opportunities once this happens and punish them for it immediately make them pay. Keep their borders area warm for few days but they will eventually learn the lesson

 

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