Iranian Chill Thread

[Arian]

Some try to blame reformists/moderates, however most of the murders against Iranian scientists took place when Ahmadinejad was the president. Actually it started in 2010.
Then reformists brought their pious diaper heads like rouhani and alavi. We went from shit to diarrhea. Thieves and corrupt kept their position, reformists added to them, grandpa council approved.
Since 2010 they could not create a revenge list of enemy scientists or billionaires.

You're absolutely right that this has nothing to do with reformists and this problem existed before them as well, but there's a difference here. During Ahmadinejad's time, we hadn't signed the JCPOA and our nuclear program was much more advanced than it is at this stage. So, one might've argued that losing scientists at the time was a risk we had to take for progressing. But since the JCPOA, not only our nuclear program has been stopped, but it has been sent back to prior to 2009. That's a difference that shouldn't be overlooked I think.

 

[Shawnee]

No one will risk his life to kill some moftkhor clerics in Iran.

اقا خجالت بکشن با این منصوبان روحانی و امام جمعه ها که سی و چند سال ارزش یک گلوله هم نداشتن
بی خاصیت پسر بی خاصیت​

 

[Dariush the Great]

ببینید امام جمعه ها و سطوح بالای روحانیت چقدر بی خاصیت شدندکه الان سی و چند ساله ارزش ترور نداشتند​

They are useful donkey. Why kill them?

 

[Shawnee]

اقلا یه سوریه برن
یک خودی نشون بدن
بگن ما سطوح بالای روحانیت جز اقازاده پروری هنر داریم
یه تکونی به خودشون بدن
لااقل با تیر مشقی تمرین کنن
فردا باز با اون گردن های کلفت میان از خطرات بدحجابی میگن

بی شرف های مفتخور​

 

[Surenas]

You're absolutely right that this has nothing to do with reformists and this problem existed before them as well, but there's a difference here. During Ahmadinejad's time, we hadn't signed the JCPOA and our nuclear program was much more advanced than it is at this stage. So, one might've argued that losing scientists at the time was a risk we had to take for progressing. But since the JCPOA, not only our nuclear program has been stopped, but it has been sent back to prior to 2009. That's a difference that shouldn't be overlooked I think.

The difference lies in the fact that any limitations on Iran's nuclear program are self-imposed. In fact, if I understand it correctly, Iran continues to work on nuclear-related R&D. If Iran's nuclear knowledge is truly indigenized, the loss of individual figures within the nuclear industry shouldn't have major consequences. If it does, would the extent of Iran's nuclear program have made any difference?

Short of building nuclear weapons, to what extent does the scope of Iran's nuclear program matter other than as a political card that Iran can draw against global powers on the international stage?

 

[Shawnee]

The difference lies in the fact that any limitations on Iran's nuclear program are self-imposed. In fact, if I understand it correctly, Iran continues to work on nuclear-related R&D. If Iran's nuclear knowledge is truly indigenized, the loss of individual figures within the nuclear industry shouldn't have major consequences. If it does, would the extent of Iran's nuclear program have made any difference?

Short of building nuclear weapons, to what extent does the scope of Iran's nuclear program matter other than as a political card that Iran can draw against global powers on the international stage?

The scientific impact is zero. The propaganda impact is big though. It is a failure, an incompetence.

Unlike most of you, I believe they have already made several nukes.

 

[Arian]

The difference lies in the fact that any limitations on Iran's nuclear program are self-imposed. In fact, if I understand it correctly, Iran continues to work on nuclear-related R&D. If Iran's nuclear knowledge is truly indigenized, the loss of individual figures within the nuclear industry shouldn't have major consequences. If it does, would the extent of Iran's nuclear program have made any difference?

Short of building nuclear weapons, to what extent does the scope of Iran's nuclear program matter other than as a political card that Iran can draw against global powers on the international stage?

Well, to what extent does it matter? To the extent that our nuclear program at least becomes a viable and economically beneficial program rather than a burden on the nation.

Iran currently relies on Russia for providing the nuclear fuel for the Bushehr nuclear reactor. We have only the second phase of the Bushehr nuclear reactor under construction at the moment, which is built by Russians at the moment. The IR-40 nuclear reactor has been left unfinished since the Geneva agreement.

We need over 20 nuclear reactors (with a capacity of 1 GW each) to meet our energy demands by the end of the 5th development plant. We are producing less than 1 Giga Watts of nuclear energy now. Do you see the problem? We haven't realized even 5% of what we planned for.

Our nuclear enrichment capacity is so low that we can't run even one nuclear reactor like Bushehr on our own with our own fuel. Do I need to continue?

 

[Surenas]

Well, to what extent does it matter? To the extent that it becomes a viable and economically beneficial program rather than a burden on the nation.

Iran currently relies on Russia for providing nuclear fuel for the Bushehr nuclear reactor. We have only the second phase of the Bushehr nuclear reactor under construction at the moment, which is built by Russians at the moment. The IR-40 nuclear reactor has been left unfinished since the Geneva agreement.

We need over 20 nuclear reactors (with a capacity of 1 Giga Watts) to meet our energy demands by the end of the 5th development plant. We are producing less than 1 Giga Watts of nuclear energy now. Do you see the problem?

Not to mention that our nuclear enrichment capacity is so low that we can't run even one nuclear reactor like Bushehr on our own with our own fuel.

Then we differ on the function and importance of Iran's nuclear program. I believe its existence is primarily of strategic nature; a political card Iran can draw whenever its facing external pressure. Without it, Iran would have been sanctioned to death already, and not even Europe or the Democrats in Washington would have been willing to provide Iran with any sanction relief.

 

[Arian]

Then we differ on the function and importance of Iran's nuclear program. I believe its existence is primarily of strategic nature; a political card Iran can draw whenever its facing external pressure. Without it, Iran would have been sanctioned to death already, and not even Europe or the Democrats in Washington would have been willing to provide Iran with any sanction relief.

Even in that case, Iran's nuclear program is of no use as it is now. If you want to use Iran's nuclear program as a political card, it must be a nuclear weapons program, not a civilian program that 70% of the IAEA's monitoring activities and reports are related to it. Even Saudi Arabia and the UAE are progressing in nuclear technology now. Trump provided Saudi Arabia with sensitive nuclear technology and the IAEA is completely ignoring their nuclear activities. The UAE recently inaugurated a 5 GW nuclear facility that was built with the aid of South Koreans. Iran's nuclear program has lost its strategic nature. If Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, it is nothing but a burden, and a clear sign of incompetency, mismanagement and treason.

 

[Surenas]

Even in that case, Iran's nuclear program is of no use as it is now. If you want to use Iran's nuclear program as a political card, it must be a nuclear weapons program, not a civilian program that 70% of the IAEA's monitoring activities and reports are related to it. Even Saudi Arabia and the UAE are progressing in nuclear technology now. Trump provided Saudi Arabia with sensitive nuclear technology and the IAEA is completely ignoring their nuclear activities. The UAE recently inaugurated a 5 GW nuclear facility that was built with the aid of South Koreans. Iran's nuclear program has lost its strategic nature. If Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, it is nothing but a burden, and a clear sign of incompetency, mismanagement and treason.

Iran is the only country in the region that has institutionalized and indigenized nuclear-related knowledge. The UAE and Saudi are completely dependent on outside support; lack domestic infrastructure to run any program on their own for the foreseeable future and are never going to jeopardize Western support for the sake of building a nuclear weapon.

Iran's nuclear program may be burden, but without it Iran would have been sanctioned to death with no counter-pressure card to play.

 

[Arian]

Iran is the only country in the region that has institutionalized and indigenized nuclear-related knowledge. The UAE and Saudi are completely dependent on outside support; lack domestic infrastructure to run any program on their own for the foreseeable future and are never going to jeopardize Western support for the sake of building a nuclear weapon.

Iran's nuclear program may be burden, but without it Iran would have been sanctioned to death with no counter-pressure card to play.

The problem with your apologists is that you think that the United States will prevent Saudi Arabia from building nukes without providing any proof. The United States did not stop the Shah from building nukes. Why should they stop Saudi Arabia?

Did the Unites States stop Saudi Arabia from purchasing DF-21 missiles from China?

Iran is also dependent on the Russians for running its only functioning nuclear reactor. So, what's the difference? If Russia decides not to provide us with enriched uranium for the Bushehr nuclear reactor, it will take us months (probably over a year) to enrich the necessary uranium on our own, assuming that there won't be a preemptive strike or sabotage operations during the time we are enriching uranium.

And please do enlighten me: how has Iran's nuclear program helped us strategically?

 

[Shawnee]

دچار ضعف اعصاب نشیم و درست فکر کنیم
به نظر من اسراییل زیاده روی کرده در این ترور و فرصت کافی بدین یه کشمیری تو این ماجرا سوخته میشه​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1332656622309662725

 

[Surenas]

The problem with your apologists is that you think that the United States will prevent Saudi Arabia from building nukes without providing any proof. The United States did not stop the Shah from building nukes. Why should they stop Saudi Arabia?

Did the Unites States stop Saudi Arabia from purchasing DF-21 missiles from China?

Iran is also dependent on the Russians for running its only functioning nuclear reactor. So, what's the difference? If Russia decides not to provide us with enriched uranium for the Bushehr nuclear reactor, it will take us months (probably over a year) to enrich the necessary uranium on our own, assuming that there won't be a preemptive strike or sabotage operations during the time we are enriching uranium.

And please do enlighten me: how has Iran's nuclear program helped us strategically?

Do you suffer from reading comprehension problems? I said Iran has firmly institutionalized any knowledge on nuclear enrichment.

And who cares whether Saudi, UAE or Turkey are following Iran's footstep by setting up a similar infrastructure. These considerations were never an issue for Iran, nor does it change Iran's strategic outlook.

Iran has calculated that its strategic autonomy and regional policy would never have been accepted by foreign powers. Ever. The fact that Iran manages to get global powers at the negotiating table for sanctions relief is entirely due to its nuclear program, which has made Iran a nuclear threshold state already. If you can't see the strategic benefits of this, then nothing will.

 

[Shawnee]

اقا خجالت بکشن با این منصوبان روحانی و امام جمعه ها که سی و چند سال ارزش یک گلوله هم نداشتن
بی خاصیت پسر بی خاصیت

در جهت تکمیل حرفهام این رو هم بگم که چند تا اخوند داریم که به شدت جاسوس های موساد دنبالشون اند‌
و سایه اشون رو میزنن

من جمله حسین طایب

نارضایتی از عملکرد سازمان اطلاعات بالا رفته و حرف از نفوذ ساواک توش زیاده
باید دید مسوولیت حفاظت حادثه با کدوم گروه بوده
رضایی و دهقان ابراز نارضایتی کردند

چه بسا سازمان اطلاعات سپاه بزرگتر بشه
و قدرت حسین طایب بیشتر​

 

[Arian]

Do you suffer from reading comprehension problems? I said Iran has firmly institutionalized any knowledge on nuclear enrichment.

And who cares whether Saudi, UAE or Turkey are following Iran's footstep by setting up a similar infrastructure. These considerations were never an issue for Iran, nor does it change Iran's strategic outlook.

Iran has calculated that its strategic autonomy and regional policy would never have been accepted by foreign powers. Ever. The fact that Iran manages to get global powers at the negotiating table for sanctions relief is entirely due to its nuclear program, which has made Iran a nuclear threshold state already. If you can't see the strategic benefits of this, then nothing will.

I don't suffer from "reading comprehension" problems lol It's just that what you said was so naive and simple-minded that deserved no attention.

You haven't "firmly institutionalized" nuclear enrichment if your current capacity of enrichment is merely 8,000 SWU and you have agreed to never reprocess plutonium.

So, let me see if I understood you correctly: You are saying that even if Saudi Arabia, Turkey or the UAE successfully went nuclear, that would change nothing in our calculations? So, a nuclear Turkey that already has a stronger military and economy than us should not worry us at all, while we have basically a useless civilian program that is a total embarrassment in many ways... Do I need to remind you of what happened in the Nagorno-Karabakh war or are you going to find an excuse for that too?

You're one of those apologists that wants to distort the truth and make the situation look better than it is. The truth is that Iran went to the negotiating table only to hand over all its nuclear assets in 2013. You don't need a card to submit to the will of the world powers. Even African countries could do that. The JCPOA was a surrender, or as we say it in Persian, it was a case of "Goh Khordim" rather than negotiations. Khamenei can call it "Narmesh-e Ghahremananeh" (Heroic compromise), but that doesn't change what happened.