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Iranian Chill Thread

Seeing how the belief that Isra"el" is destined to be Iran's "historic ally", or the conviction that zionism in its various aspects doesn't represent an existential threat to Iran is still quite common among secular nationalist and/or Islamo-sceptical Iranians attached to their country's historic heritage (somehow I can't help but be reminded of evangelicals, and even more so of national-zionists like Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage and the likes), it might be useful to highlight a few additional points at this stage.

Those concerned are invited to take a look at major foreign-based, influential Persian-language satellite TV broadcasters such as BBC Farsi or Manoto. These are obviously linked to and essentially managed by zionists and members of the Haifan Bahai organization. Now, other than the usual propagandistic news coverage of Iran (both on international and domestic events), a key part of their programs is dedicated to promoting liberal cultural norms in the framework of a vast and professionally conducted social engineering effort.

If the enmity of zionist circles against the Iranian nation was merely a consequence of the Islamic Republic's foreign policy choices, as zio-apologetic narratives of different stripes (secular liberal, liberal-Islamic, bāstān-gerā nationalistic, trotskyist leftist etc) maintain, then this latter part of the programming by the mentioned broadcasters would hardly be needed.

The fact is that these zionist circles are taking aim at the very social fabric which any civilization, national culture or traditional religious community rests upon. Iranian culture and civilization is not conceivable if deprived of its natural organic plinth, i. e. the Iranian nuclear family structure. When the nuclear family structure is no more, civilizational decadence as well as gradual extinguishing of national identity will inevitably follow, as they did in the west.

For instance, what "culture" do Iranians think they will be left with, if their people are transformed into degenerates and their children psychologically affected for life at early ages, due to nefarious liberalist social engineering implemented by international zionism and its cronies? Is the organized subversion of Iranian families and the creeping threat it poses to Iranian children a consequence of the Republic of Azarbaijan's anti-Iranian policies, or rather a consequence of zionist globalism and Soroso-Popperian liberalism? Are subjects like Sa'iān and similar proponents of moral decadence Azari regime officials, or zionists and globalists? As a reminder, see:
http://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-chill-thread.283137/page-2444

Two users succintly drove home the point in that thread:

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A nation's culture cannot be reduced to some superficial materialistic fetish, to archeological preservation of historic landmarks, or to the sporting of distinctive symbols such as Farvahar pendants. It has an organic dimension to it. It is built upon values. Upon a juridical order reflecting natural law. Once this is all gone, what remains will be a hollow shell which global oligarchs can and will dispose of with the snap of a finger as they see fit.

We could also contemplate the zionist threat to Iranian culture from an economic perspective. If Iran were to open up to the largely zionist-controlled, bankster- and corporate-dominated global economic order, not only would the irruption of pseudo-"cultural" consumer goods provided by these multinational corporations (Hollywood films, pornography, genetically modified and industrial food, video games, low quality music etc) accelerate the tendency towards general cultural degeneracy, but Iranian culture itself would get increasingly commodified, turned into a collection of marketable objects to consume and throw away in an endless cycle of lifeless emptiness.

Iranian patriots must ask themselves what constitutes the bigger threat to Iranian culture and civilization indeed: some third-tier, small-time player like the Baku regime with its pan-Turkist agenda seeking to claim Iranian cultural heritage as its own, or that regime's actual zio-American overlords, who will not only prop up secondary threats like these, but will themselves engage in irreversible, bottom-up subvertion of the very building blocks of Iranian culture and civilization?

By the way, there is no contradiction between supra-national, liberal globalist uprooting of Iranian society and culture on the one hand, and infra-national crushing of Iran's national unity and territorial integrity through "ethno"-separatist agitation on the other hand: behind both these destructive phenomena, the same zionist, corporatist and masonic arch-enemies are pulling the strings, and both phenomena form part of a single well thought-out pincer movement intended to grind down and dissolve Iranian nationhood, roots, identity, religion, culture and civilization for all eternity. Think of it as a chunk of grilled meat, which first needs to be cut into adequate bite-sized pieces before it can be swallowed down and absorbed.

Which, incidentally, implies that the very "ethno"-states Tel Aviv and Washington are causing to appear all over the region, are not meant to last: they too are going to be despatched into the garbage bin of history by their original promoters, since they're considered as mere steps in a plot scheduled to end in the establishment of a unified totalitarian world regime controlled by the same criminal oligarchy.

We shall conclude these thoughts with an illustration of the deeply ingrained hostility of the zionist mindset towards Iranian culture and civilization through the example of one of zionism's prominent in-house fifth columnists, someone who directly takes aim at national pride, who classifies Iranian culture as "racist" and has an issue with his compatriots cherishing their heritage, while at the same time being markedly apologetic towards Isra"el", critical towards the Islamic Republic's anti-zionist geostrategic posture and on the record for authoring books about the occupation of Palestinian that largely rehash the zionist regime's own narratives:

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Turkey is now sending in F-16s to assist Azerbaijan.

Since they've lost so many drones, now I guess this is what they're doing. I don't think the US is going to be happy about this. They shot down an Armenian SU-25 last week and tried to hide it. However radar signatures proved it.

 
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Are you kidding ? Most industrialized multi national countries charge people who commit hate crimes and imprison them, try to re-educate them. If Iran tolerates intercommunal violence it will disintegrate like Yugoslavia. We can't tolerate HATE geared towards any specific ethnic group.

Yugoslavia's problem wasn't that it tolerated inter-communal hate (in fact, it didn't). It's problem was that it institutionalized communities by organizing the entire state along communal lines, and in particular by basing federal subdivisions on so-called "ethnicity".

Once this system - which could function in times of (geo-)political stability, was in place, predatory hostile foreign powers had an easy time inverting the principle of "neighborly harmony" into "proximity crime" once they decided in the early 90's that Yugoslavia had to be destroyed. So their spies and agents of influence (on all sides of the so-called "ethnic" divides) could make the edifice crumble in the blink of an eye.

The solution does not lie in granting legal or even worse, institutional status to sub-national communities. It resides in transcending linguistic and regional affiliations to the benefit of the national community, to the benefit of common citizenship, values, history, religion, civilizational heritage. It resides in promoting mixity, intermingling, domestic economic migrations, intermarriage as well as the national language and literature (a major unifying factor).

None of which would pose a problem for Iran, because as often mentioned before, infra-national linguistic communities within Iran are already largely dissolved and have extremely blurred boundaries as a result of centuries upon centuries of intermarriage. To the effect that nowadays, at least 50% of Iranians, perhaps 60% or more, actually have mixed lineages when it comes to their "ethno"-linguistic roots.


OMG man, Iran is a multi-national nation. One nationality, multiple ethnic groups.

One nationality, therefore one nation also (rather than multiple ones), no?

As for the multiple "ethnic" groups, what about 50% or 60% of Iranians who belong to several such groups at the same time (i. e., who have ancestors from several such groups rather than from a single one)? It's impossible to divide the Iranian population into "ethnicities", most Iranians wouldn't fit into only one such category.
 
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Yugoslavia's problem wasn't that it tolerated inter-communal hate (in fact, it didn't). It's problem was that it institutionalized communities by organizing the entire state along communal lines, and in particular by basing federal subdivisions on so-called "ethnicity".

Once this system - which could function in times of (geo-)political stability, was in place, predatory hostile foreign powers had an easy time inverting the principle of "neighborly harmony" into "proximity crime" once they decided in the early 90's that Yugoslavia had to be destroyed. So their spies and agents of influence (on all sides of the so-called "ethnic" divides) could make the edifice crumble in the blink of an eye.

The solution does not lie in granting legal or even worse, institutional status to sub-national communities. It resides in transcending linguistic and regional affiliations to the benefit of the national community, to the benefit of common citizenship, values, history, religion, civilizational heritage. It resides in promoting mixity, intermingling, domestic economic migrations, intermarriage as well as the national language and litterature (a major unifying factor).

None of which would pose a problem for Iran, because as often mentioned before, infra-national linguistic communities within Iran are already largely dissolved and have extremely blurred boundaries as a result of centuries upon centuries of intermarriage. To the effect that nowadays, at least 50% of Iranians, perhaps 60% or more, actually have mixed lineages when it comes to their "ethno"-linguistic roots.




One nationality, therefore one nation also (rather than multiple ones), no?

As for the multiple "ethnic" groups, what about 50% or 60% of Iranians who belong to several such groups at the same time (i. e., who have ancestors from several such groups rather than from a single one)? It's impossible to divide the Iranian population into "ethnicities", most Iranians wouldn't fit into only one such category.

Not to mention, the various ethnicities in Yugoslavia had a long history of ethnic massacres and genocides. Iran has no such history.
 
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One nationality, therefore one nation also (rather than multiple ones), no?

Yes one nationality (Iranian), therefore one nation, but Iran is still a multi-ethnic state. There are Persians, Lors, Azeri, Baloch and many more.

it is important to charge and prosecute those who want to rile up ethnic tensions and cause Iran to eventually disintegrate along ethnic lines. We've seen what they've done to Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya and Yemen. Balkanization. It's the age old divide and conquer strategy. Keep Syria weak by dividing it, keep Yemen weak by dividing it. If they can't defeat the enemy at the present moment, then they start by dividing them into smaller, more manageable, weaker peices.

In Iran luckily, we haven't seen communal violence and discrimination on the same level that we've seen in various other countries. Like you said, that is because most Iranians think of themselves as Iranians first.

However Iran's enemies will always try to figure out ways to divide and fracture Iran any way they can. There are also some people in Iran who want to see Iran broken up into various smaller states.

After all, there are some Kurds who want to break away from Iran and join a greater Kurdistan. There are some Azeri people who want to split from Iran and join Azerbaijan or Turkey. These people, their goal is to weaken the sense of unity in the nation by causing communal tension and hatred among various ethnic groups in Iran.

That is why the Iranian government cannot tolerate such behavior. Anyone who tries to belittle or discriminate or poke fun at a specific ethnic group publicly or advocate for the disintegration of Iran must be dealt with decisively.

Racism and discrimination are outlawed in most industrialized nations that contain various ethnic groups or large minorities. Such behavior is even banned on this forum and most online platforms, so then why shouldn't it be banned in a multi-ethnic country like Iran ?


Yugoslavia's problem wasn't that it tolerated inter-communal hate (in fact, it didn't). It's problem was that it institutionalized communities by organizing the entire state along communal lines, and in particular by basing federal subdivisions on so-called "ethnicity".

Once this system - which could function in times of (geo-)political stability, was in place, predatory hostile foreign powers had an easy time inverting the principle of "neighborly harmony" into "proximity crime" once they decided in the early 90's that Yugoslavia had to be destroyed. So their spies and agents of influence (on all sides of the so-called "ethnic" divides) could make the edifice crumble in the blink of an eye.

The solution does not lie in granting legal or even worse, institutional status to sub-national communities. It resides in transcending linguistic and regional affiliations to the benefit of the national community, to the benefit of common citizenship, values, history, religion, civilizational heritage. It resides in promoting mixity, intermingling, domestic economic migrations, intermarriage as well as the national language and literature (a major unifying factor).

None of which would pose a problem for Iran, because as often mentioned before, infra-national linguistic communities within Iran are already largely dissolved and have extremely blurred boundaries as a result of centuries upon centuries of intermarriage. To the effect that nowadays, at least 50% of Iranians, perhaps 60% or more, actually have mixed lineages when it comes to their "ethno"-linguistic roots.




One nationality, therefore one nation also (rather than multiple ones), no?

As for the multiple "ethnic" groups, what about 50% or 60% of Iranians who belong to several such groups at the same time (i. e., who have ancestors from several such groups rather than from a single one)? It's impossible to divide the Iranian population into "ethnicities", most Iranians wouldn't fit into only one such category.
 
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