Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

هر کس در تاریخ ایران سعی کرد به غرب وابسته بشه نابود شد. ناصرالدین شاه قاجار یا خاتمی.

منظور این نیست که باغرب تعامل نکنیم ولی تعامل به معنی وابستگی نیست.

يک جریانی در ایران هست که تفاهم نامه با چین رو به اسم قرارداد ترکمانچای جا می‌زنند. اما الهه ای قابل پرستش از برجام کثیف ساختند که سند تحقیر ملی بود.

خائن که شاخ و دم ندارد

احمدینژادهم به غرب وابسته شد ؟

رجوی هم نا امید شد
پس درست عمل کرد هم دست صدام شد

اتفاقا راهش برعکسه
خلخالیییی

اگر مملکت خلخالی داشت این بی پدر ها مثل قاضی منصوری از جناح راست و ال اقا از چپ پول مردم رو حیف و میل نمیکردن

قوه قضاییه ما دست امثال یزدی و لاریجانی و شاهرودی بوده که اهل ساده زیستی نبودن

نه خودشون نه توله هاشون
......

رجوی نا امید نشد . اصول اعتقادی او از قبل از انقلاب از اساس خراب بود

 

[Sineva]

lol is it in a genuine comic book or some fan made one??

Oh,its completely genuine all right,Batman #`s 428+429.Its from the 1988/89 batman:death in the family story,which had the joker kidnapping and murdering the second robin jason todd,at which point he gets the job of irans un ambassador so the heroes cant touch him because he has "DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY"

This is supposedly still canon tho in later years the name of iran was retconned to qurac [qatar and iraq,kuwait and iraq?]
This is qurac by the way....

Its sort of what you`d roughly expect a shiite arab republic to look like geographically

 

[Muhammed45]

احمدینژادهم به غرب وابسته شد

نخیر. احمدی مغرور شد

 

[SalarHaqq]

Instead of such rubbish they should go after Israel.

agha bikhiale in harfa. berin donbale esraeil. chera vaystadin ?

Well, this is sounding more and more like that Falcon29 person...

If Islamic Iran did not seriously challenge the terrorist zionist entity, then why are they resorting to this amount of hostility towards Iran, more so than against any other sovereign state? Don't tell me, like the Falcon29s of this forum would, that they completely destroyed Iraq and Syria whereas Iran is still standing, hence proving inferior hostility to Iran on their part - in reality, that's solely because Iraq and Syria were both weaker and not as shrewd players as Iran.

In other words, Iran has been acting against them and threatening and harming their interests more than anyone else in the world. This alone requires some massive amounts of courage. One must give credit where it's due.

Also, it is clear that when you are facing an enemy which controls virtually the entire planet, and given the material power differential between Iran and said foe, it is not realistic to expect anything but a drawn out, protracted and slow paced (possibly spanning several centuries) type of resistance from Iran.

One might find things to criticize here and there in Iran's approach, but let's not hastily jump to categorical, all too far reaching conclusions that could well prove wrong shortly, nor give way to unwarreanted mood swings.

A patriot stays loyal no matter what to his armed forces and to their commander in chief, even if enemy troops are knocking at the door of his home already. Only absolutely exceptional cases may justify disloyalty. And that is far from being the case.

You folks admitted yourselves that the situation seemed much bleaker during the Sacred Defence. So according to your logic, Iranians back then too would have been justified to deride Sepaah and their leader for not being succesful enough to your taste? Now meditate for a second as to whether or not that kind of an attitude from his people helps the leadership to take more decisive action against the enemy.

The leadership requires a strong hand to act, the stronger its hand, the more daunting counter-strikes against the enemy it may order. And guess what one of the main factors stregthening the leadership's hand is? That's right, flawless loyalty and backing from its constituency, from the country's political factions and the nation itself. As long as that sort of mobilization does not take place, it is silly to expect the leadership to resort to spectacular actions against the enemy in the type of stand-off Iran is involved in. Even then, it might still be wiser and more productive not to overplay one's hand.

But people should not make their support hinge on such considerations, for this is not a videogame or a consumerist spectacle where narcissistic short-term satisfaction is the goal.

Sayyari is a true soldier and a hero. Unlike the majority of these piles of fat that call themselves general in the IRGC but they're too fat to even move themselves.

It's such a sad state of affairs that the IRGC is continuing this. Sayyari didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Sepaah did not file any complain, it was fake news.

Besides, why fall into the enemy's trap and perpetuate this propagandistic topic of a supposed Sepaah vs Army dichotomy? In reality, this is a fictitious mantra spread by Iran's enemies for obvious reasons. There is no bad blood between Sepaah and Army. Let's not play into the enemy's hands and get aroused by things that have no basis in reality.

Iranians should not feel any "need" to "choose sides" between Sepaah and Army, since it is a total non-issue to start with!

Even if one might lean towards one of these forces more than the other out of some subjective fetichism, a patriot would be best advised never to disrespect any of the corpses within Iran's armed forces.

It's not as if Sepaah generals had not made identical sacrifices as their Army colleagues during the Sacred Defence, so any sort of demeaning comment directed at them with reference to the war I believe is misplaced. Not to mention the nearly 2000 Sepaahis and several elderly, veteran IRGC commanders who sacrificed their worldly existence in Syria and Iraq just in the last 10 years so that Iran could remain safe from zio-American bloodsuckers and their terrorist patsies.

Well if even still to this day the SL looks down on the artesh for presumed reluctance in the war during the '80, there is not much to be done about it.

You can sense the arrogance of some of the IRGC officers towards the colleagues in the artesh. Hajizadeh comes to my mind. The only military institution I know of where both IRGC and artesh are working happily together is in the general staff. The IRGC members there are more professional and less ideological then their colleagues in field-command functions.

Is there any evidence to substantiate these statements? In particular, is there any quote from the Supreme Leader where he "looks down" on the Army for reluctance during the war? If we are talking about some remark focusing on a very brief, trasitory period in the early days of the Revolution when the Army was objectively speaking a disorganized force that needed to be restructured, or if we are talking about the traitor Bani Sadr and his cronies then that's a different matter and does not imply a negative look on the Army's role during the entire 80's.

Likewise, please provide a concrete example for "arrogance" exhibited by general Hajizadeh towards the Army. Personally I have never come accross any such attitudes from the general.

I told you. Instead of going after the enemy, we will go after our own, zooremon faghat be khodemoon mirese

Well, try to apply a healthy dose of some self-reflection here. Comments like your own and those of your buddies over the last four pages of this thread perfectly fit that definition, actually.

That said, when there is a fifth-column on the political level inside Iran, namely a political camp (reformist + centrist alliance) which effectively works in the interests of Iran's sworn enemies by cultivating a pro-western and zio-apologetic outlook and by seeking to implement policies of "normalization" with regards to the dominant zio-American oligarchic world order, then you better go after them, or at least sideline them for good, the sooner the better, before expecting Sepaah or the leadership to take any sort of a drastic measure against the foreign enemies.

I mean, how can one seriously advocate to go on a large scale offensive against the zionist entity and by extension the US and its numerous allies when freaking half of the intelligence apparatus, half of the political system, a good half or more of the economy, and most of the social and cultural capital is linked to or in the hands of western-leaning, borderline zio-apologetic (if they ever got the chance) reformist and centrist liberals?

Also, let's try to be somewhat coherent with oneself: one cannot logically cheer for western-leaning liberal advocates of maximum, no-holds-barred appeasement towards Iran's enemies on the one hand, and boo revolutionaries, Hezbollahis and Basijis on the other hand under the pretxt that they aren't acting 'strongly enough" against said enemies.

negaran nabash, be zoodi shahed129 khoone agha ro mizane

But i doubt such a thing to happen because we have traitors as leaders.

Please don't say that.

First of all, moody, hasty thinking and reacting is hardly ever productive.

Secondly, every Iranian owes the continued existence of his homeland to the Supreme Leader.

Navigating through the immensely strenuous, threatening and explosive environment Iran has been facing in the last decades and confronting enemies as rabid and powerful as Iran's, and yet managing, as the country's leader, to keep it whole, sovereign, independent and increasingly self-reliant, successful, resilient and strong is something very, very few men would have been able to achieve.

So not only are such reactions unconstructive, they aren't exactly fair.

As explained above: the best way to contribute to encouraging the leadership towards stronger measures of retaliation, from the perspective of the average citizen, rather than to indulge in mood swings and periodic grousing or ill -wishing, is to double down on one's support for the same leadership and to dissociate from those, like the defeatist Rohani administration and their liberal clique who have only appeasement of Iran's enemies in mind, and who have a record of taking jabs at the leadership.

But loyalty to the leadership will benefit Iran no matter what.

I think they eat too much chelo kabab and smoke too much dosib. You can see how most of them are becoming fat. If you get used to a comfortable and luxurious lifestyle, then its hard to give up that life for some gheyrat. That word doesn't mean as much as it did 50 years ago. 20 years from now we will see our commanders in the streets walking poodles and wearing skinny jeans.

sad rahmat be arteshe saddam, hade aghal 2 bar ba amrica jangid, az akhar ham zuresh naresid bakht. ina na mijangan va na ham solh mikonan bekhater manafe maali. ba vaziyat alan kheyli hal mikonan. villa o estakhr o tv 100 inchi az in harfa

Tell me these are merely childish jokes.

You can't seriously be suggesting, let alone believing, that Sepaah commanders are living luxurious lives, that they are not hard working or that they fear martyrdom, preferring to indulge in wordly materialism...?! If you do, then be challenged to substantiate this belief with some hard evidence.

Ziad netflix negah kardan, film jangi ina, alan mitarsan migan baba ma koja ina koja

Not at all, there are two factors behind Iran's careful, non-knee jerk approach:

1) The liberal fifth-column, which has usurped 50% of the country's centers of power and resources, and which will not hesitate, as exemplified by Faaezeh Rafsanjani's statement a few years ago, to "make people fill up the streets in protests" if these liberals do not get their way and consider their privileges and interests under imminent threat. And guess what, liberals are not pushing for stronger retaliatory measures by Iran, on the contrary, all they have done and keep doing is to advocate appeasing the west.

2) Rationality and sound calculus. Someone cited Saddam's Iraq, well where is Saddam now, what has become of Iraq? Iran is doing well and has maintained its sovereignty, weathering storm after storm, provocation after provocation and keeping the resistance alive to the dismay of its existential foes.

Finally someone else agrees with me. Yes especially Salami, after that dowsing rod fiasco, big time aberu reze. He stood there and lied to the entire country with a straight face. It just makes you wonder what else or how many other times he or others have lied to the people. It's disgusting.

Well gues what, US authorities have decided to spend several hundreds of thousands of dollars on funding the development of a Covid-19 detecting scanner! The device is being developed by a university in Utah under the direction, ironically, of a professor with Iranian roots.

http://gvwire.com/2020/06/23/univer...ovid-19-sensor-to-detect-virus-in-60-seconds/

http://www.fox13now.com/utah-computer-engineering-professor-making-covid-19-smartphone-sensor

http://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/developing-a-device-to-detect-covid-19/

So when such a device is built in the US, it is all wonderful but when Sepaah does it and general Salaami is tasked with making a public presentation, all of a sudden it becomes a cheap hoax, shameful and what not...? Don't think so!

And mind you, the outer appearance of the device revealed by the IRGC does not imply much: this is a casing that had been used before not just for fake dowsing rods, but also for other devices. So it is entirely possible that Sepah just resorted to a standard device casing but that the electronics inside do in effect correspond to a functioning Covid-19 scanner.

Before the revolution Iran was about to get nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons on a silver platter.

You can't be serious...? The US would have sold the shah nuclear weapons?

Assuredly Washington would never have done such a thing. Countries like south Korea or Japan, which have ranked far higher in Washington's treatment scale of allies were not allowed to procure such weapons even in the face of north Korean nuclear armament.

Iran and its shabbos goy monarch were nothing but a milk cow to both the US and to the global oligarchy including international zionism.

A country whose monarch, when he wanted to conduct the slightest independent act of foreign policy, like building up a strategic presence in Lebanon around Imam Musa Sadr rahmatollah, was obliged to hold relevant talks while cofined inside his royal bathroom, the rest of the palace being replete with CIA / Mossad listening devices. While said talks had to be held with a Court Minister, Assadollah Alam who was himself on.... British payroll!

Such a miserably treated lackey would not have been allowed to procure nuclear weapons, let alone on a silver platter.

Independently of that, any US weapons transfer to Iran under the shah was done in a way to keep Iran dependent on Washington for continued operation of those systems.

What's the use of a weapon, of whatever nature, when you are deprived of the independence to utilize it according to your sovereign will?

احمدینژادهم به غرب وابسته شد ؟


رجوی نا امید نشد . اصول اعتقادی او از قبل از انقلاب از اساس خراب بود

Bottom line: no matter how much they try not to "disappoint" nor "alienate" anyone to prevent them from committing treason, traitors and treason will always exist.

Rational inference as per Aristotelian logos: Iran's priority should be on repressing traitors, preventive measures come second.

And whatever the case may be, legitimate alienation caused by a public authority at one point of one's career still does not justify high treason and collusion with a rabid, existential enemy that is clearly far more mischievous than anything seen from the IRI. So traitors need to be brought to justice either way. What the punishment should be, and it what ways said punishment should vary depending on the gravity of each case can be up for debate.

 

[Shawnee]

مردم درجات مختلف تحمل و صبر دارند و یک پسر بیست ساله چقدر از بازی مدیا میدونه
من خودم گاهی خسته میشم از صبر

استراتژی از سمت اقایون باید جوری باشه که کم صبر و تحمل ها هم کمابیش راضی باشند و ما هم بازی مدیا کنیم نه دفاعی باشیم

برای خیلی ها فتوای حرام بودن بمب معنی نداره و خسته شدند. انتظار دارند

صبر روش خود حاج قاسم بود ولی مردم کمتر اونقدر صبورند
...​

 

[mangekyo]

That said, when there is a fifth-column on the political level inside Iran, namely a political camp (reformist + centrist alliance) which effectively works in the interests of Iran's sworn enemies by cultivating a pro-western and zio-apologetic outlook and by seeking to implement policies of "normalization" with regards to the dominant zio-American oligarchic world order, then you better go after them, or at least sideline them for good, the sooner the better, before expecting Sepaah or the leadership to take any sort of a drastic measure against the foreign enemies.

I mean, how can one seriously advocate to go on a large scale offensive against the zionist entity and by extension the US and its numerous allies when freaking half of the intelligence apparatus, half of the political system, a good half or more of the economy, and most of the social and cultural capital is linked to or in the hands of western-leaning, borderline zio-apologetic (if they ever got the chance) reformist and centrist liberals?

Also, let's try to be somewhat coherent with oneself: one cannot logically cheer for western-leaning liberal advocates of maximum, no-holds-barred appeasement towards Iran's enemies on the one hand, and boo revolutionaries, Hezbollahis and Basijis on the other hand under the pretxt thay they aren't acting 'strongly enough" against said enemies.

Forget everything I said.

Why didn't we respond to the attacks on our scientist when Ahmadinejad was in power? Was he a "pro western and zio-apologetic" too? Was he a "reformist"? You guys are like Trump supporters, always looking for a scapegoat to blame.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Forget everything I said.

Why didn't we respond to the attacks on our scientist when Ahmadinejad was in power? Was he a "pro western and zio-apologetic" too? Was he a "reformist"? You guys are like Trump supporters, always looking for a scapegoat to blame.

You did not properly read my reply, I'm afraid.

I did not claim Iran is not retaliating proportionally because the current administration is a liberal one. What I was getting at is that as long as a liberal fifth-column exists - whether at the helm of the administration or not, and as long as it wields influence in the bureaucratic apparatus, in the economy and in society at large (centers of power are not limited to the sole administration in charge), then how are you going to act more forcefully when 50% of the system, opposes any such policy and keeps parroting its appeasement line? Specially when said elements, whether in- or outside the administration, have enough resources to sabotage your efforts, see Faaezeh Rafsanjani's threat to incite mass protests.

Secondly, I mentioned the rational calculus behind it as well as the comparison with Saddam.

 

[Muhammed45]

Forget everything I said.

Why didn't we respond to the attacks on our scientist when Ahmadinejad was in power? Was he a "pro western and zio-apologetic" too? Was he a "reformist"? You guys are like Trump supporters, always looking for a scapegoat to blame.

We were Moving Forward. We had martyrs Yes but it didnt make us sign JCPOA garbage. Israel didn't kill them Directly, they terrorized our scientists through MEK terrorists. So despite the fact that we lost valuable people, we kept going Forward and developed the required Technologies that made us capable of reaching 20 percent Pure Uranium.

Until reformists came to power, guess the rest. They shit all over our achievements, they made our martyrs die in vain. Who was the traitor?

 

[mangekyo]

You did not properly read my reply, I'm afraid.

I did not claim Iran is not retaliating proportionally because the current administration is a liberal one. What I was getting at is that as long as a liberal fifth-column exists - whether at the helm of the administration or not, and as long as it wields influence in the bureaucratic apparatus, in the economy and in society at large (centers of power are not limited to the sole administration in charge), then how are you going to act more forcefully when 50% of the system - whether they are "sare kaar" nor not, opposes any such policy?

Secondly, I mentioned the rational calculus behind it as well as the comparison with Saddam.

Bro please, you were implying that the reformists and our current administrations normalization policy are preventing us from retaliating the enemies attacks. I remember very well when Ahmadinejad said on live US tv that if Israel attacks Iran, we will finish them. They have attacked us more than 10 times since, and theres not been a single retaliation from our side.

We were Moving Forward. We had martyrs Yes but it didnt make us sign JCPOA garbage. Israel didn't kill them Directly, they terrorized our scientists through MEK terrorists. So despite the fact that we lost valuable people, we kept going Forward and developed the required Technologies that made us capable of reaching 20 percent Pure Uranium.

Until reformists came to power, guess the rest. They shit all over our achievements, they made our martyrs die in vain. Who was the traitor?

It doesn't matter how they did it, they did it, and we know they did it. That is the point. US killed Shahid Soleimani because Iraqi Kathaib were firing katyushas at the US embassy. Israel assassinates our scientists, blows up our weapon depots, sabotages our space program, blows up our nuclear! reactors, and we do nothing.

 

[Shawnee]

در مورد برنامه هسته ای از قاضی منصوری ها بیشتر بترسید تا روحانی‌
روحانی و خاتمی روحشون هم از برنامه موشکی و هسته ای ما خبر نداره
....​

 

[Muhammed45]

Bro please, you were implying that the reformists and our current administrations normalization policy are preventing us from retaliating the enemies attacks. I remember very well when Ahmadinejad said on live US tv that if Israel attacks Iran, we will finish them. They have attacked us more than 10 times since, and theres not been a single retaliation from our side.



It doesn't matter how they did it, they did it, and we know they did it. That is the point. US killed Shahid Soleimani because Iraqi Kathaib were firing katyushas at the US embassy. Israel assassinates our scientists, blows up our weapon depots, sabotages our space program, blows up our nuclear! reactors, and we do nothing.

Yes Thats right. They kill us but we shouldnt step back and raise our hands. We must keep Moving Forward.

In this way we will have plenty of sacrifices. You Know that brother, it didn't Start with our nuclear scientists and it wont end with general Soleimani. What would say if you knew the personality of Shahid Motahhari? Or shahid Beheshti? General Soleimani was raised in their school of thoughts. Soleimani was a product of their teachings.

Israel will have what it wants but we have a Long time strategy. We cannot act emotionally especially in a region where we are surrounded by enemies. Step by step, we will win. In this Long way, we have Received the worst irreparable blows from internal traitors.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Bro please, you were implying that the reformists and our current administrations normalization policy are preventing us from retaliating the enemies attacks.

The reformists as an influential political force restraining the hand of leadership and Sepaah yes, the current administration's policy in particular, no. Show me where I made that claim.

I remember very well when Ahmadinejad said on live US tv that if Israel attacks Iran, we will finish them. They have attacked us more than 10 times since, and theres not been a single retaliation from our side.

First of all, yes there have been several instances of retaliation.

Secondly, I already responded to this discourse above.

 

[Shawnee]

اقایون زخمهایی رو که میزنن به رخ نمیکشن و اصلا گردن هم نمیگیرن
گاهی به درستی

معاون/مشاور سابق عبادی رو کشتن و با عرض معذرت تخمهای افراد مخالف رو در عراق کشیدن طوری که الان دارن فرم مهاجرت کانادا پر میکنن

مدیا هم خیلی مهمه

همین کشتی امریکا که اتش گرفته کلی جای مانور مدیا داره
....

 

[Dariush the Great]

some foreign spies in Kerman got arrested

دادگاه انقلاب اسلامی کرمان، از بازداشت «تعدادی از عناصر سرویس‌های اطلاعاتی بیگانه» در این شهر خبر داد

 

[Philosopher]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282609785427447809