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Long story short, the problem is corruption and you think capitalism will solve that.

But capitalism itself breeds rich and powerful figures that can bend a government's will to its favour using a variety of techniques that include amongst other things the bribing you are trying to stop. Ask Russia how the sudden injection of capitalism helped them with corruption.

The solution to killing corruption is not capitalism, nor is it socialism. They are entirely different matters. Corruption is a cultural (and by cultural I don't mean takhte jamshid) and social deficiency in society that arises when there is not enough regulation, or there is too much greed etc. Capitalism is an economic system that works based on the free market, and is touted as gaining a country profit (and hence jobs) by competition lowering costs. I personally do not subscribe to capitalism, but I'm not going to say socialism is going to solve corruption either.



It was trolling trash like the rest of your posts so it probably got deleted.
Long story short, you didn't understand me. Where did i talked about corruption? Corruption is a whole different story and it's going to be solved by something like free media and transparency which for some obvious reasons we're not going to get. The problem with the other economic systems (including ours) is that they are not providing equal economic opportunities for everyone so individuals will not put of economic cycle by themselves but by the system, even if they didn't have the talent to compete with the others in the first place, so they will blame the system for their inabilities. Read this part again:
But the main reason that i recommend this for our country is that individuals are put out of economic cycle by themselves not by the government, for example think of a class with 5 students in it and they all want to became painter, in a capitalist class all of the students have the chance to become painters. They all have access to the instruments to paint so all of them will start painting and in the process some of them will quit painting because they will realize they don't have the talent to became a painter, but in a non-capitalist class the teacher will pick one of these students and only give him/her the instruments of painting and the other 4 students don't get them and start blaming the teacher for not becoming a painter, even if they didn't have the talent to become one in the first place, same goes with the economy.
BTW why you don't subscribe to capitalism? What economic system do you recommend?

اینو ببینید خیلی جالبه:


البته من از سالها پیش میدونستم
شما که اونو دیدید، اینم ببینید جالبه
اینم وضع اقلیت های ماست که البته الآن دوستان می رن تو حالت انکار، شروع می کنن این بنده خدا رو ربط دادن به آمریکا و اسرائیل و عربستان
 
The problem with the other economic systems (including ours) is that they are not providing equal economic opportunities for everyone so individuals will not put of economic cycle by themselves but by the system, even if they didn't have the talent to compete with the others in the first place, so they will blame the system for their inabilities.

The only specific problem of Iran's economy that you cited as an issue was bribery, which is a form of corruption. I actually think capitalism can make it more difficult for people to have equal opportunities. In Britain there is a stigma against Private Grammar schools because they are expensive and their proliferation would mean only the rich could get good education. Building new grammar schools is actually banned in the UK. The UK also has the NHS, a public healthcare system which allows people to get proper healthcare regardless of their financial situation - again, equal opportunities.

BTW why you don't subscribe to capitalism?

Because I believe it creates too much inequality, it can be a cause of exploitation, and it has caused many of the economic disasters in the world, one of which was the 2008 crisis where banks were allowed free reign to pursue maximum profits with little regulation. Among other reasons.

What economic system do you recommend?

Socialism. Make no mistake, I'm no commie. But I show the Scandinavian countries as an example of socialism working well.

IMHO Iran's economy has 3 big problems:

1. Lack of an efficient fiscal policy. Tax collection is lacklustre, many taxes and subsidies are misplaced. Thankfully these are slowly being reversed from the Ahmadinejad era. Subsidising the oil industry in a country with 10% of all the world's oil is probably one of the stupidest fiscal decisions I have ever encountered.

2. Corruption. Bribery, "khodemooni", etc. are a highly inefficient allocation of resources and must be met by harsh policies by the central government.

3. Too many state owned companies. While I am a socialist, I think there are a few core industries that must be nationalised like railways, petroleum, healthcare, education etc. but there is a lot of unnecessary state ownership in Iran.

There are many other problems like high inflation (this is more of a symptom), overly protective tariffs, sanctions (more of an outside influence) but I don't want to be here all day.

The greatest thing about Iran's economy is its direction. It is moving towards a diversified, knowledge based economy. This is a great direction, but it is being hindered by the above problems.
 
Long story short, you didn't understand me. Where did i talked about corruption? Corruption is a whole different story and it's going to be solved by something like free media and transparency which for some obvious reasons we're not going to get. The problem with the other economic systems (including ours) is that they are not providing equal economic opportunities for everyone so individuals will not put of economic cycle by themselves but by the system, even if they didn't have the talent to compete with the others in the first place, so they will blame the system for their inabilities. Read this part again:

BTW why you don't subscribe to capitalism? What economic system do you recommend?


شما که اونو دیدید، اینم ببینید جالبه
اینم وضع اقلیت های ماست که البته الآن دوستان می رن تو حالت انکار، شروع می کنن این بنده خدا رو ربط دادن به آمریکا و اسرائیل و عربستان
!خب به یه ورم به من چه
 
The only specific problem of Iran's economy that you cited as an issue was bribery, which is a form of corruption. I actually think capitalism can make it more difficult for people to have equal opportunities. In Britain there is a stigma against Private Grammar schools because they are expensive and their proliferation would mean only the rich could get good education. Building new grammar schools is actually banned in the UK. The UK also has the NHS, a public healthcare system which allows people to get proper healthcare regardless of their financial situation - again, equal opportunities.

Because I believe it creates too much inequality, it can be a cause of exploitation, and it has caused many of the economic disasters in the world, one of which was the 2008 crisis where banks were allowed free reign to pursue maximum profits with little regulation. Among other reasons.



Socialism. Make no mistake, I'm no commie. But I show the Scandinavian countries as an example of socialism working well.

IMHO Iran's economy has 3 big problems:

1. Lack of an efficient fiscal policy. Tax collection is lacklustre, many taxes and subsidies are misplaced. Thankfully these are slowly being reversed from the Ahmadinejad era. Subsidising the oil industry in a country with 10% of all the world's oil is probably one of the stupidest fiscal decisions I have ever encountered.

2. Corruption. Bribery, "khodemooni", etc. are a highly inefficient allocation of resources and must be met by harsh policies by the central government.

3. Too many state owned companies. While I am a socialist, I think there are a few core industries that must be nationalised like railways, petroleum, healthcare, education etc. but there is a lot of unnecessary state ownership in Iran.

There are many other problems like high inflation (this is more of a symptom), overly protective tariffs, sanctions (more of an outside influence) but I don't want to be here all day.

The greatest thing about Iran's economy is its direction. It is moving towards a diversified, knowledge based economy. This is a great direction, but it is being hindered by the above problems.
Regulated free market/mixed economy (between planned economy and capitalism) good. However notice that some of these mixed economies are overtaxing their companies... Which makes international competition harder for them. But overall for a humane society a mixed economy is needed.
 
Guys some nice pictures from India is brought to you :

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much crowd :disagree:
 
Be sure to visit Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Brādar.

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Beautiful indeed. My buddy is Afghan and they fled to Pakistan during during the late 80s, early 90s. He always talk about the friendliness and hospitality of people of Pakistan. It is definitely on my to visit list :)
 
Beautiful indeed. My buddy is Afghan and they fled to Pakistan during during the late 80s, early 90s. He always talk about the friendliness and hospitality of people of Pakistan. It is definitely on my to visit list :)

Getting a travel visa might be hard as a Irani because of the Kulbushan Yadav incident and Uzair Baloch incident. Get a travel agent to help you in your visit. Just a heads up when you go... Avoid visiting Karachi...... But Lahore is a MUST as one of your places because it has sooo many historical and cultural monuments. :D
 
Getting a travel visa might be hard as a Irani because of the Kulbushan Yadav incident and Uzair Baloch incident. Get a travel agent to help you in your visit. Just a heads up when you go... Avoid visiting Karachi...... But Lahore is a MUST as one of your places because it has sooo many historical and cultural monuments. :D

Maybe we should make thread for traveling to countries. There is a service called couch surfing online where people make friends and visit each other's places in different countries and act tour guides as well hehe
 
Maybe we should make thread for traveling to countries. There is a service called couch surfing online where people make friends and visit each other's places in different countries and act tour guides as well hehe

I don't live in Pakistan as of right now.. but there are some nice people of this forum who are open to sponsoring and touring like you said. But theres also those bad people. there's a forum called TripAdvisor who the experts can help on every single thing from getting visa to travelling toll costs. There's thousands of questions and answers on Pakistan travel that you might have.
 
Guys some nice pictures from India is brought to you :

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REU-INDIA_1.jpg


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much crowd :disagree:

The 1st in Bangladesh but the rest are 100% Indian. If you love crowds do come visit during the Kumbh Mela which attracts 120 million people!

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