Iranian Chill Thread

[AmirPatriot]

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So I was looking at that picture today and it awed me.

Schwerer Gustav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it made me think of this thread and the exchanges between us Iranian and the Turks about our scientific achievements when in reality we are all so ridiculously backwards when compared to certain western countries.

Fcking Germany had just gotten out of a disastrous defeat in war and had gone though depression and hyper inflation and in just a few years, they build a mammoth like this??

It's called Fascism bro.

This monster was built with slave labour and in a war... they didn't care about the economics.

It's just a big cannon on a train, the dream of a psycopath.

 

[BordoEnes]

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So I was looking at that picture today and it awed me.

Schwerer Gustav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it made me think of this thread and the exchanges between us Iranian and the Turks about our scientific achievements when in reality we are all so ridiculously backwards when compared to certain western countries.

Fcking Germany had just gotten out of a disastrous defeat in war and had gone though depression and hyper inflation and in just a few years, they build a mammoth like this??

We are ridicilously backward. Dont think these military achievement are much on a global scale. Turkey and Iran are merely catching up and we have a long way to go.

 

[Daneshmand]

If Turkey would be an active part of league then it wouldnt really be the "Arab" league now wouldnt it? Seems to me that they purposely made Turkey a permanent guest so it could include them without them officialy being a part of the league. For some reason you are trying to twist the fact here that this is somehow a bad thing. Dafuq is wrong with you.

Not at all. Only in your twisted logic things are that skewed. You see in such organizations, there is a provision for the status of Observer. Like India is an Observer in Arab League. And Observer plays behind the scenes and sits at every meeting. Quite conveniently. Turkey wanted the same thing. But Arabs refused Turkey. Instead in order to give Turkey a candy, they gave this unofficial and completely "made up" title of 'permanent guest'.

But I am clear eyed about the above and knew it already unlike you. My question was, how does it feel when hosts condemn a 'permanent guest'? That was my question.

View attachment 282636

So I was looking at that picture today and it awed me.

Schwerer Gustav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it made me think of this thread and the exchanges between us Iranian and the Turks about our scientific achievements when in reality we are all so ridiculously backwards when compared to certain western countries.

Fcking Germany had just gotten out of a disastrous defeat in war and had gone though depression and hyper inflation and in just a few years, they build a mammoth like this??

Backwardness has many causes. In case of Iran or Turkey, things are moving a very slow pace towards a positive direction, though not guaranteed to become something.

We can not even compare ourselves with Germans.

 

[Daneshmand]

new milestone in Rohani's achievements:
PressTV-Iran’s oil plunges below $30

Why are you doing this? You know very well that Rouhani has no power over international oil prices. And even if he had the power to jack up international oil prices to 120 dollars, still that is no guarantee Iran's conditions would change. As you are well aware, during Ahmadinejad's time the oil did go to 120 and what was the result? Iran's problems are deeper than that.

And with the advent of new technologies such as shale and renewable techs, the era of 120 dollar oil has come to an end.

 

[Madali]

Why are you doing this? You know very well that Rouhani has no power over international oil prices. And even if he had the power to jack up international oil prices to 120 dollars, still that is no guarantee Iran's conditions would change. As you are well aware, during Ahmadinejad's time the oil did go to 120 and what was the result? Iran's problems are deeper than that.

And with the advent of new technologies such as shale and renewable techs, the era of 120 dollar oil has come to an end.

I don't agree with @mohsen 100% but I also don't agree with your post. Of course, neither Rouhani or Ahmadenijad has a complete control over oil prices, but it is harmful to think that it is completely out of our hands.

What proactive actions did Rouhani take to control the path of oil prices? I think there is a big gap between the mindset of politicians like Rouhani & politicians like Ahmadenijad. I think the former made certain foreign political decisions that better paved the way for lower oil prices.

As to your other statement of what the result was, I think Ahmadenijad took a lot of actions which was better at preparing the society for building on its future. I can talk a lot about this, but I will give a brief summary of some of what I think really matters.

An example is the Maskan Mehr project. This was an extremely important project. Forget the simple fact of people just owning a house. It's deeper than that. In Iran, it is almost impossible for a young couple to stand on their own feet. Most young couples have chosen one of the three choices,
1) Because of high rent, they choose to pay "rahn" fully or at least some part of it. Because they don't have this money, they get the support of their family for this amount.
2) Their parents buy them a small home
3) They live with their family

All three choices have the psychological effect of depending on someone else. This carries on with them throughout their life. If they fail at their career or business, they lay the blame on the government, society, or the economy. It is never their fault.

But with Maskan Mehr, specially in smaller towns, these couples either owned their own place, or were able to rent them at extremely affordable prices. This creates self-sufficiency in our youth which is extremely important for our country to have a bright future.

Another positive psychological effect was the previous government building strong relationships with smaller countries. This is generally mocked by our intelligentsia by claiming that the kind of allies we had was countries like Venezuela. But I support this, not because of the short term effect, but of the long term change in society's mindset. We need to stop thinking we have a bright future if we have USA or France on our side. This again goes back to my previous point of again thinking success relies not on ourselves but on others.

This is just two points of why, as more and more time passes, the more I realize that it was the psychological effects that are very important from the previous government. It's the biggest impact Imam Khomeini had, not just a political revolution, but a mindset revolution. Ahmadenijad was continuing the Imam's path. Rouhani has done a complete Uturn.

 

[AmirPatriot]

The oil price is almost uncontrollable right now because of mostly economics, but also politics as well.

Right now we're experiencing a bit of a dampening of growth in the global economy, which by itself lowers the price. But also OPEC had predicted demand to be higher so they increased output. Couple this with America experiencing a fracking revolution and cheap oil from ISIS going to Turkey, you already have supply higher and demand lower.

Why didn't OPEC simply drive prices lower by cutting output? Two reasons, whose weight I think is 50/50.

One reason is that fracking is more costly than traditional oil extraction, so OPEC are trying to bust up the American fracking business so they get more market share for later. This way they can push up prices again.

Another reason is that Saudi is trying to undermine Iran by lowering our profits from oil. I think this is a stupid thing to do since our economy is far more diverse than theirs. The plan will backfire on them.

The reason why oil prices are going to dip below $30 is almost entirely because of Iran. This doesn't really matter though, since we'd still be earning more profits than we were during sanctions.

High oil prices during Ahmadinejad were due to the exact opposite of these. Rapid growth in China had increased demand substantially, while the Arab spring had cut supply as well as Iran cuttting supply because of sanctions.

If Iran cut output now it wouldn't earn more profit. That's why OPEC exists. The next meeting will be important.

 

[mohsen]

Why are you doing this? You know very well that Rouhani has no power over international oil prices. And even if he had the power to jack up international oil prices to 120 dollars, still that is no guarantee Iran's conditions would change. As you are well aware, during Ahmadinejad's time the oil did go to 120 and what was the result? Iran's problems are deeper than that.

And with the advent of new technologies such as shale and renewable techs, the era of 120 dollar oil has come to an end.

better to open your eyes. why Saudis decided to lower the oill's price? why they didn't do it during Ahmadinejad era? what they saw in Rohani which encouraged them to lower their own oil price? what they saw?
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Have you followed the market reaction. have you noticed each time Mr Zangane opens his filthy mouth, the oil price drops?
each time he boasted about how he will fill the market with Iranian oil, the oil's price dropped; as if he is an american agent whose job is reducing the oil's price through media propaganda.
do you know what was the result of Ahmadinejad's strong policy in the Persian gulf on the oil's price?
to know about the difference between Ahmadinejad and Rohani, you better to think about the difference between the "Maskane Mehr" project and "Airport toilets" project!
And about the new techs, what their use for American oil companies? to reduce their price to 30 dollar? think about it.

 

[Madali]

better to open your eyes. why Saudis decided to lower the oill's price? why they didn't do it during Ahmadinejad era? what they saw in Rohani which encouraged them to lower their own oil price? what they saw?
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Have you followed the market reaction. have you noticed each time Mr Zangane opens his filthy mouth, the oil price drops?
each time he boasted about how he will fill the market with Iranian oil, the oil's price dropped; as if he is an american agent whose job is reducing the oil's price through media propaganda.

to know about the difference between Ahmadinejad and Rohani, you better to think about the difference between the "Maskane Mehr" project and "Airport toilets" project!

Zangane is an idiot. Sanctions have not been yet removed, and he keeps boasting that he will increase oil production as much as we want. What kind of idiotic strategy is this? Just say we won't increase production, put some fear in everyone's hearts, maybe even pretend that you are willing to coordinate with Saudi to cut down on production when sanctions removed, and let the oil go up a bit. And then once sanctions are fully removed, raise production as much as you can!

Iran under sanctions & selling half of its potential oil production at $120 a barrel is better than Iran without sanctions selling all of its oil production at $20.

But whatever, the lower oil goes, the faster we get rid of this useless headache and actually learn a thing or two about economy. All this aging technocrats in the cabinet need to retire to their Canadian & American villas, and let some young people come to power.

 

[kaikaus]

guys can you send me a link or torrent to any religious epics by iran
imam hussain(A.S) English subtitles or urdu
and complete moive or series

 

[xenon54 out]

guys can you send me a link or torrent to any religious epics by iran
imam hussain(A.S) English subtitles or urdu
and complete moive or series

Pirating is haram (except in Switzerland).

 

[Aramagedon]

guys can you send me a link or torrent to any religious epics by iran
imam hussain(A.S) English subtitles or urdu
and complete moive or series

Link: Moharram

My favorite maddah 'Meysam Motiee':

پایگاه جامع مداحی حاج میثم مطیعی

ذاکرین

Also 'Kuwaitipur':

http://www.doostiha.ir/1391/08/29/دانلود-آلبوم-غریبانه-از-کویتی-پور.html

http://www.doostiha.ir/1391/09/02/دانلود-آلبوم-بسیار-زیبای-غریبانه-2-با-صد.html

TV series 'Mokhtar Nameh':

Some maddahi:

Also u can search مداحی or maddahi in youtube or aparat.com

 

[raptor22]

I don't agree with @mohsen 100% but I also don't agree with your post. Of course, neither Rouhani or Ahmadenijad has a complete control over oil prices, but it is harmful to think that it is completely out of our hands.

What proactive actions did Rouhani take to control the path of oil prices? I think there is a big gap between the mindset of politicians like Rouhani & politicians like Ahmadenijad. I think the former made certain foreign political decisions that better paved the way for lower oil prices.

As to your other statement of what the result was, I think Ahmadenijad took a lot of actions which was better at preparing the society for building on its future. I can talk a lot about this, but I will give a brief summary of some of what I think really matters.

An example is the Maskan Mehr project. This was an extremely important project. Forget the simple fact of people just owning a house. It's deeper than that. In Iran, it is almost impossible for a young couple to stand on their own feet. Most young couples have chosen one of the three choices,
1) Because of high rent, they choose to pay "rahn" fully or at least some part of it. Because they don't have this money, they get the support of their family for this amount.
2) Their parents buy them a small home
3) They live with their family

All three choices have the psychological effect of depending on someone else. This carries on with them throughout their life. If they fail at their career or business, they lay the blame on the government, society, or the economy. It is never their fault.

But with Maskan Mehr, specially in smaller towns, these couples either owned their own place, or were able to rent them at extremely affordable prices. This creates self-sufficiency in our youth which is extremely important for our country to have a bright future.

Another positive psychological effect was the previous government building strong relationships with smaller countries. This is generally mocked by our intelligentsia by claiming that the kind of allies we had was countries like Venezuela. But I support this, not because of the short term effect, but of the long term change in society's mindset. We need to stop thinking we have a bright future if we have USA or France on our side. This again goes back to my previous point of again thinking success relies not on ourselves but on others.

This is just two points of why, as more and more time passes, the more I realize that it was the psychological effects that are very important from the previous government. It's the biggest impact Imam Khomeini had, not just a political revolution, but a mindset revolution. Ahmadenijad was continuing the Imam's path. Rouhani has done a complete Uturn.

I totally disagree by "Maskan Mehr" project .... It's a good article and by reading it you'll find out the reason why I disagree with such a project ...

موج چهارم فناوری و اقتصاد

دکتر محمد حسین ادیب، استاد اقتصاد

ایران در سال 92 به ارزش حدود یک میلیارد و 500 ملیون دلار سنگ آهن صادر کرد . در سال 94 صادرات سنگ آهن تقریبا متوقف شده است .
علت توقف صادرات سنگ آهن ایران , فناوری موج چهارم است .

در گذشته صادرات سنگ آهن با کشتی های 60 تا 70 هزار تنی انجام میشد . اکنون استرالیا 4 کشتی 600 هزار تنی خریداری کرده است و هزینه حمل از استرالیا به چین فقط 4 دلار برای هر تن است .
اما هزینه انتقال سنگ آهن از بافق یزد تا بندرعباس با فن آوری موج دوم ایران 17 دلار است . ایران هرگز نمی تواند با فناوری موج دومی با فناوری موج چهارمی استرالیا رقابت کند . مزید بر این مشکل حمل فناوری استخراج در معادن سنگ آهن ایران موج دومی است .در حالی که در استرالیا موج چهارمی است .


قیمت ورق سرد چین در سال 2001 حدود 540 دلار بود . در همان سالها فناوری چین در تولید ورق سرد موج سومی بود . اینک موج چهارمی هست و قیمت آن حدود 450 دلار شده است .3 دلار امروز معادل یک دلار سال 2001 در بازار جهانی قدرت خرید دارد به عبارت دیگر تورم زدایی شده است .
به سخن دیگر قیمت ورق سرد چین در مقایسه با سال 2001 در واقع 150 دلار است .
چینی ها در شرف قبضه بازار جهانی فولاد هستند .


چینی ها برج 110 طبقه را با فناوری موج چهارمی در 10 ماه میسازند . در حالی که در تهران یک ساختمان 5 طبقه با فناوری موج دومی معمولا 18 ماهه ساخته میشود .
فناوری موج دومی در تولید مسکن بیش از حد نقدینگی را درگیر میکند . علت اینکه در ایران از کمبود منابع بانکی گله میکنند استفاده از فناوری های قدیمی است .

با فناوری جدید در هر مورد نیاز به وام بانکی حداقل به یک ششم کاهش می یابد .
در ایران به سبب استفاده از فناوری قدیمی در هر مورد , نیاز به وام بانکی شش برابر عرف جهان است .
استفاده از فناوری قدیمی خواب سرمایه را طولانی کرده و این باعث افزایش میزان بهره در ایران شده است.
( منظور از فناوری فقط ابزار الات و ماشین نیست بلکه روش و روش بهره وری و فوت فن امور هم هست )


اگر از فناوری موج چهارم در حمل و نقل استفاده شود قیمت زمین در ایران به شدت کاهش می یابد .
اگر در ایران به جای طرح مسکن مهر دولت در حومه شهرهای بزرگ شهرهای اقماری احداث می کرد و با هزینه دولت شهرهای اقماری را با متروی موج چهارمی به قلب کلانشهرها وصل میکرد , قیمت زمین به شدت در تهران سقوط میکرد.
با قطار شهری موج چهارمی 500 کیلومتر طی یک ساعت طی میشود .فاصله زمانی شهر اقماری با فاصله 120 کیلومتری تا تهران با قطار نسل چهارمی فقط 15 دقیقه است. اگر از 120 کیلومتری تهران طی 15 دقیقه با مترو در میدان فردوسی پیاده می شدند آیا قیمت زمین در تهران همین حد بود؟45 هزار میلیارد تومان منابعی که صرف احداث مسکن مهر شد و اکنون در خیلی مناطق فقط بتن آباد ایجاد کرده است, اگر صرف احداث زیرساخت در 50 شهر اقماری در حومه کلانشهرهای ایران و وصل آنها با قطار تند رو نسل چهارمی شده بود, به سادگی جمعیت شهرهای اقماری به کلانشهرها وصل شده بود .

در سال 2004 فروش کمپانی جنرال موتور امریکا که با فناوری موج سوم تولید میکرد, از تولید ناخالص ملی 140 کشور جهان بیشتر بود.
در سال 2007 جنرال موتور امریکا به میزان 250 میلیارد دلار ورشکست شد. اکنون جنرال موتور با فناوری موج چهارم اولین تولید کنتده خودرو در جهان است.
بحران در صنعت خودروسازی ایران به سبب استفاده از فناوری موج دومی است.
درآمد ریالی ناشی از فروش نفت در سال گذشته به اظهار وزیر نفت 28 هزار میلیارد تومان و بدهی صنعت خودرو و قطعه سازان به بانکها 24 هزار میلیارد تومان است.
بدهی بانکی صنعت خودرو و قطعه سازی معادل 86 درصد درآمد نفت است. که غیرطبیعی است و نشان می دهد یه جای کار اشکال دارد.
با فناوری موج دومی نمیشود خودرو تولید کرد , فقط بدهی بانکی تولید میشود .

همه صنایع پتروشیمی گازی ایران که طی 10 سال گذشته تاسیس شده است فناوری موج جهارمی دارد و ایران در این زمینه در جهان پیشرو است.

اما در زمینه صنعت گاز چنین نیست.
توتال فرانسه فاز یک و دو پارس جنوبی را با فناوری موج سومی ایجاد کرد . بعدها ایران فازهای بعدی را با کپی برداری با مهندسی معکوس تکمیل کرد . اما توتال در قطر طی سالهای اخیر از فناوری موج چهارم استفاده کرد.
اگر با قایق از کنار تاسیسات قطری ها عبور کنید مشاهده می کنیدکه حجم تاسیسات قطری ها که طی پنج سال اخیر احداث شده 20 درصدِ حجم تاسیسات ایران است. گزارشهای منتشر شده نشان می دهد از نظر هزینه تمام شده نیز 25 درصد ایران هزینه کرده اند .
هزینه تمام شده توسعه پارس جنوبی با فناوری موج سوم 4 برابر موج چهارمی است​

 

[Aramagedon]

@raptor22 @mohsen and others...
We need your help in this thread:

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[Daneshmand]

I don't agree with @mohsen 100% but I also don't agree with your post. Of course, neither Rouhani or Ahmadenijad has a complete control over oil prices, but it is harmful to think that it is completely out of our hands.

What proactive actions did Rouhani take to control the path of oil prices? I think there is a big gap between the mindset of politicians like Rouhani & politicians like Ahmadenijad. I think the former made certain foreign political decisions that better paved the way for lower oil prices.

As to your other statement of what the result was, I think Ahmadenijad took a lot of actions which was better at preparing the society for building on its future. I can talk a lot about this, but I will give a brief summary of some of what I think really matters.

An example is the Maskan Mehr project. This was an extremely important project. Forget the simple fact of people just owning a house. It's deeper than that. In Iran, it is almost impossible for a young couple to stand on their own feet. Most young couples have chosen one of the three choices,
1) Because of high rent, they choose to pay "rahn" fully or at least some part of it. Because they don't have this money, they get the support of their family for this amount.
2) Their parents buy them a small home
3) They live with their family

All three choices have the psychological effect of depending on someone else. This carries on with them throughout their life. If they fail at their career or business, they lay the blame on the government, society, or the economy. It is never their fault.

But with Maskan Mehr, specially in smaller towns, these couples either owned their own place, or were able to rent them at extremely affordable prices. This creates self-sufficiency in our youth which is extremely important for our country to have a bright future.

Another positive psychological effect was the previous government building strong relationships with smaller countries. This is generally mocked by our intelligentsia by claiming that the kind of allies we had was countries like Venezuela. But I support this, not because of the short term effect, but of the long term change in society's mindset. We need to stop thinking we have a bright future if we have USA or France on our side. This again goes back to my previous point of again thinking success relies not on ourselves but on others.

This is just two points of why, as more and more time passes, the more I realize that it was the psychological effects that are very important from the previous government. It's the biggest impact Imam Khomeini had, not just a political revolution, but a mindset revolution. Ahmadenijad was continuing the Imam's path. Rouhani has done a complete Uturn.

I am not saying each and everything Ahmadinejad did was wrong. Go above and read my post again. I am saying EVEN if the oil goes back up to 120 dollars, it will not change Iran's destiny. As it did not during Ahmadinejad's time or as it did not during Shah's time (the oil during Shah's time had gone to the same level in inflation adjusted dollar term). Iran's economy is rotten in its foundations. Even if oil goes up to 200 dollars, this won't make Iran's economy prosper in a sustainable way. No economy based on rent is sustainable.

And the chances that oil will go up to 120 is extremely small. Technology has improved specially in fracking, shale and sand oil. The moment oil prices rise up these technologies become profitable and will add oil to the market bringing the prices down again. The importance of oil is due to its demand by technologically advanced countries. Otherwise it has no value. And the technology is improving, both in producing oil, and in its replacement with other sources of energy as well as efficient uses of energy.

During the Ahmadinejad's time hundreds of billions of dollars were earned by oil industry. Care to tell us, what sustainable benefit came out of it?

Theoretically, Iran should be having a double digit growth right now. All the elements are there. Iran is a very special country. It has both oil and gas, so it is NOT dependent on other countries for energy. It has almost every natural resource within its geographic boundaries, from copper to iron and from zinc to tin, not needing to import raw material. A large and young educated population exist in the country. Even under sanctions such a country must be experiencing double digit growth. Why then Iran is as it is now? It is not because of Jalili or Rouhani. It is because the foundations of our society are not conductive to any sustainable economic activity. Whether when as @raptor22 above mentions in his post, Iran is exporting iron ore (another rent of a raw product), or oil or anything else.

 

[Madali]

I totally disagree by "Maskan Mehr" project .... It's a good article and by reading it you'll find out the reason why I disagree with such a project ...

موج چهارم فناوری و اقتصاد

دکتر محمد حسین ادیب، استاد اقتصاد

ایران در سال 92 به ارزش حدود یک میلیارد و 500 ملیون دلار سنگ آهن صادر کرد . در سال 94 صادرات سنگ آهن تقریبا متوقف شده است .
علت توقف صادرات سنگ آهن ایران , فناوری موج چهارم است .

در گذشته صادرات سنگ آهن با کشتی های 60 تا 70 هزار تنی انجام میشد . اکنون استرالیا 4 کشتی 600 هزار تنی خریداری کرده است و هزینه حمل از استرالیا به چین فقط 4 دلار برای هر تن است .
اما هزینه انتقال سنگ آهن از بافق یزد تا بندرعباس با فن آوری موج دوم ایران 17 دلار است . ایران هرگز نمی تواند با فناوری موج دومی با فناوری موج چهارمی استرالیا رقابت کند . مزید بر این مشکل حمل فناوری استخراج در معادن سنگ آهن ایران موج دومی است .در حالی که در استرالیا موج چهارمی است .


قیمت ورق سرد چین در سال 2001 حدود 540 دلار بود . در همان سالها فناوری چین در تولید ورق سرد موج سومی بود . اینک موج چهارمی هست و قیمت آن حدود 450 دلار شده است .3 دلار امروز معادل یک دلار سال 2001 در بازار جهانی قدرت خرید دارد به عبارت دیگر تورم زدایی شده است .
به سخن دیگر قیمت ورق سرد چین در مقایسه با سال 2001 در واقع 150 دلار است .
چینی ها در شرف قبضه بازار جهانی فولاد هستند .


چینی ها برج 110 طبقه را با فناوری موج چهارمی در 10 ماه میسازند . در حالی که در تهران یک ساختمان 5 طبقه با فناوری موج دومی معمولا 18 ماهه ساخته میشود .
فناوری موج دومی در تولید مسکن بیش از حد نقدینگی را درگیر میکند . علت اینکه در ایران از کمبود منابع بانکی گله میکنند استفاده از فناوری های قدیمی است .

با فناوری جدید در هر مورد نیاز به وام بانکی حداقل به یک ششم کاهش می یابد .
در ایران به سبب استفاده از فناوری قدیمی در هر مورد , نیاز به وام بانکی شش برابر عرف جهان است .
استفاده از فناوری قدیمی خواب سرمایه را طولانی کرده و این باعث افزایش میزان بهره در ایران شده است.
( منظور از فناوری فقط ابزار الات و ماشین نیست بلکه روش و روش بهره وری و فوت فن امور هم هست )


اگر از فناوری موج چهارم در حمل و نقل استفاده شود قیمت زمین در ایران به شدت کاهش می یابد .
اگر در ایران به جای طرح مسکن مهر دولت در حومه شهرهای بزرگ شهرهای اقماری احداث می کرد و با هزینه دولت شهرهای اقماری را با متروی موج چهارمی به قلب کلانشهرها وصل میکرد , قیمت زمین به شدت در تهران سقوط میکرد.
با قطار شهری موج چهارمی 500 کیلومتر طی یک ساعت طی میشود .فاصله زمانی شهر اقماری با فاصله 120 کیلومتری تا تهران با قطار نسل چهارمی فقط 15 دقیقه است. اگر از 120 کیلومتری تهران طی 15 دقیقه با مترو در میدان فردوسی پیاده می شدند آیا قیمت زمین در تهران همین حد بود؟45 هزار میلیارد تومان منابعی که صرف احداث مسکن مهر شد و اکنون در خیلی مناطق فقط بتن آباد ایجاد کرده است, اگر صرف احداث زیرساخت در 50 شهر اقماری در حومه کلانشهرهای ایران و وصل آنها با قطار تند رو نسل چهارمی شده بود, به سادگی جمعیت شهرهای اقماری به کلانشهرها وصل شده بود .

در سال 2004 فروش کمپانی جنرال موتور امریکا که با فناوری موج سوم تولید میکرد, از تولید ناخالص ملی 140 کشور جهان بیشتر بود.
در سال 2007 جنرال موتور امریکا به میزان 250 میلیارد دلار ورشکست شد. اکنون جنرال موتور با فناوری موج چهارم اولین تولید کنتده خودرو در جهان است.
بحران در صنعت خودروسازی ایران به سبب استفاده از فناوری موج دومی است.
درآمد ریالی ناشی از فروش نفت در سال گذشته به اظهار وزیر نفت 28 هزار میلیارد تومان و بدهی صنعت خودرو و قطعه سازان به بانکها 24 هزار میلیارد تومان است.
بدهی بانکی صنعت خودرو و قطعه سازی معادل 86 درصد درآمد نفت است. که غیرطبیعی است و نشان می دهد یه جای کار اشکال دارد.
با فناوری موج دومی نمیشود خودرو تولید کرد , فقط بدهی بانکی تولید میشود .

همه صنایع پتروشیمی گازی ایران که طی 10 سال گذشته تاسیس شده است فناوری موج جهارمی دارد و ایران در این زمینه در جهان پیشرو است.

اما در زمینه صنعت گاز چنین نیست.
توتال فرانسه فاز یک و دو پارس جنوبی را با فناوری موج سومی ایجاد کرد . بعدها ایران فازهای بعدی را با کپی برداری با مهندسی معکوس تکمیل کرد . اما توتال در قطر طی سالهای اخیر از فناوری موج چهارم استفاده کرد.
اگر با قایق از کنار تاسیسات قطری ها عبور کنید مشاهده می کنیدکه حجم تاسیسات قطری ها که طی پنج سال اخیر احداث شده 20 درصدِ حجم تاسیسات ایران است. گزارشهای منتشر شده نشان می دهد از نظر هزینه تمام شده نیز 25 درصد ایران هزینه کرده اند .
هزینه تمام شده توسعه پارس جنوبی با فناوری موج سوم 4 برابر موج چهارمی است​

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