Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Stryker1982]

loitering airdefense munitions.

Any idea on what munition this would be? Something new?

 

[WudangMaster]

Any idea on what munition this would be? Something new?

Maybe 358?

Friends, Mashreghnews says that new canisters of 3rd Khordad AD is upgraded to have 2 additional loitering airdefense munitions.

@Ich dear friend. This adds to our info about that loitering munition

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According to Mashregh, two cubic tubes were added in the middle of launcher in addition to 4 existing ones shown by that red arrow. The new ones look smaller.

My crazy theory is, this ability allows the AD system to stay operational in war zones even if it loses connection with mother-radar in case the radar is hit by anti radiation bombs. Given that loitering munitions attack independently, imagine if they had data link to the main launcher, then this could make the loitering munition eyes and ears of other mid range missiles.

All in all, the new launcher has 6 tubes containing 2 loitering munitions.

So I was wondering does the purple arrow indicate a complete break in the box or just a groove of sorts? Do the wide boxes go all the way back? I guess it would be 12 missiles rather than 6 if the back boxes were separate. Can anyone guess the length of a Sayyad 3 relative to the canister?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Maybe 358?


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So I was wondering does the purple arrow indicate a complete break in the box or just a groove of sorts? Do the wide boxes go all the way back? I guess it would be 12 missiles rather than 6 if the back boxes were separate. Can anyone guess the length of a Sayyad 3 relative to the canister?

Just light and shadows playing trick on you

 

[Muhammed45]

رÙÙÙاÛÛ Ø§Ø² Ùس٠جدÛد شکارÚÛ ÙØ´ÙÙر «گÙÙبا٠ÙاÙک» Ø¢ÙرÛکاÛÛ/ «سÙ٠خرداد» زÙرآگÛÙâتر ٠کارآÙدتر از گذشت٠ب٠ÙÛدا٠آÙد +عکس

ÛÚ©Û Ø§Ø² دستاÙردÙØ§Û ÙÙÙ Ù Ùاب٠تÙجÙÛ Ú©Ù Ø¯Ø± Ùراس٠رÚÙ Û³Û± Ø´ÙرÛÙر اÙسا٠در Ùعرض دÛد عÙÙÙ Ùرار گرÙØªØ Ùد٠جدÛد ساÙاÙ٠پداÙÙØ¯Û Ø¨Ø±Ø¯ بÙÙد "سÙ٠خرداد" ÙÛرÙÛ ÙÙاÙØ¶Ø§Û Ø³Ù¾Ø§ÙØ Ø¨Ø§ در اختÛار داشت٠ÙÙØ´Ú©âÙØ§Û Ø¨Ûشتر بÙد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

 

[Piet]

Competition is healthy. If there was only one long range system then innovation wouldn’t happen as quickly.

Also Arman and 3rd Khordad are quite different systems. 3rd is significantly cheaper than Armand to build and operate. Armand or next gen Bavar is an all around anti aircraft/anti BM/anti bomber shield. Where as 3rd Khordad is a medium range ring made to cover areas the Armand battalions do not.

The fact it can carry a longer range is likely a redundancy measure, doesn’t mean it will use the full range. Scoring a fighter jet kills above of 100KM is rare and I would ask someone show it has happened in last 30 years. It’s not easy since the pilot has so many measures they can take to defend. And now with 5th Gen aircraft it would be quite difficult to get precise enough location data that far away from a radar source to accurately be able to illuminate the target.

Air defense rings need to be as saturated as possible against a heavy air opponent like USA or Israel or even Saudi Arabia. You can never have too many air defense systems. That much is true.

The real question is how many of these systems actually exist? It seems every year Iran unveils a new system and we have zero insight into how many are produced. That is the key.

Apologies for my tardiness in replying. Also to Messerchmitt.

I will reply more concisely ASAP.

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[Stryker1982]

Maybe 358?

I suppose that would make sense if you want to combine a long-range system with something shorter to hunt for UAVs.

 

[LegionnairE]

@TheImmortal
why are you skeptical about the Yak-130? It's the plane Russia can most easily spare, since they aren't actively used in Ukraine (as far as I know anyway) and they are still very modern aircraft for IRIAF, not some cold war relics.

And yeah receiving only two of them is weird but aren't you used to it by now? Having only 4 Kowsars

On the other hand, Iran may not be willing to pay actual money and it could be just that 2 planes more than covers the price of all the Shaheed 136 deliveries so far.

 

[LegionnairE]

@TheImmortal

what's more bizzare is that Iranian Yak-130ies were delivered with hardpoints installed in pictures. Maybe some weapons were tested?

 

[WudangMaster]

رÙÙÙاÛÛ Ø§Ø² Ùس٠جدÛد شکارÚÛ ÙØ´ÙÙر «گÙÙبا٠ÙاÙک» Ø¢ÙرÛکاÛÛ/ «سÙ٠خرداد» زÙرآگÛÙâتر ٠کارآÙدتر از گذشت٠ب٠ÙÛدا٠آÙد +عکس

ÛÚ©Û Ø§Ø² دستاÙردÙØ§Û ÙÙÙ Ù Ùاب٠تÙجÙÛ Ú©Ù Ø¯Ø± Ùراس٠رÚÙ Û³Û± Ø´ÙرÛÙر اÙسا٠در Ùعرض دÛد عÙÙÙ Ùرار گرÙØªØ Ùد٠جدÛد ساÙاÙ٠پداÙÙØ¯Û Ø¨Ø±Ø¯ بÙÙد "سÙ٠خرداد" ÙÛرÙÛ ÙÙاÙØ¶Ø§Û Ø³Ù¾Ø§ÙØ Ø¨Ø§ در اختÛار داشت٠ÙÙØ´Ú©âÙØ§Û Ø¨Ûشتر بÙد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

Did you originally post the pics of the new 3rd of Khordad with the red arrows? Did mashregh news use your pics from this forum?

 

[MyNameAintJeff]

@TheImmortal
why are you skeptical about the Yak-130? It's the plane Russia can most easily spare, since they aren't actively used in Ukraine (as far as I know anyway) and they are still very modern aircraft for IRIAF, not some cold war relics.

And yeah receiving only two of them is weird but aren't you used to it by now? Having only 4 Kowsars

On the other hand, Iran may not be willing to pay actual money and it could be just that 2 planes more than covers the price of all the Shaheed 136 deliveries so far.

You can't just have 2 planes
Each aircraft type has whole supply and maintenance train behind it
As well specially trained crew

 

[LegionnairE]

You can't just have 2 planes
Each aircraft type has whole supply and maintenance train behind it
As well specially trained crew

In a normal country? sure. But Iranian procurement never made sense that way. They take great pride in doing things the unorthodox way and imply everybody else is sheep. They still only have 4 Kowsars for example.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Again the myth of 4 kowsar, will this madness end here on this forum? Every average mind knows that there are many more than 4 kowsars built

 

[TheImmortal]

In a report by the OPS Group, which focuses on flight safety, a targeted 777 was so off course that the crew asked Baghdad Air Traffic Control, “What time is it, and where are we?”The site, which claims to have a membership of 8,000 flight dispatchers, controllers, pilots, and shoulders, began reporting incidents of GPS navigation signal spoofing on September 25th.

Why 20 Aircraft Went Off Course Over Iraqi Airspace

GPS spoofing has led over 20 planes to veer off course in Middle Eastern airspace.

simpleflying.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

Why 20 Aircraft Went Off Course Over Iraqi Airspace

GPS spoofing has led over 20 planes to veer off course in Middle Eastern airspace.

simpleflying.com

they didn't went of course over Iran it happen in northern Iraq and around Baghdad.
why they had to bring Iran into this

 

[Ich]

they didn't went of course over Iran it happen in northern Iraq and around Baghdad.
why they had to bring Iran into this

cause they dont know anything about middle east and asia?