Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Ich]

A good overview about actuall Iran AD-systems with partly deeper description of

Military Knowledge: Sevom Khordad Air Defense System - Islamic World News

Sevom Khordad is an Iranian road-mobile long-range high-altitude defense missile system that has the ability to hunt targets up to 200 km. Sevom(3rd) Khordad system has become known as the "Vulture Hunter" after shooting down the advanced US RQ-4 Global Hawk drone near the Strait of Hormuz in...

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[Shams313]

Does iran working on hight altitude interceptors..?? For ABM or LEO sats interception.

Reportedly, Taiwan tested hight altitude interceptor.

New missile bolsters air defense: MND - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

 

[Muhammed45]

Does iran working on hight altitude interceptors..?? For ABM or LEO sats interception.

Reportedly, Taiwan tested hight altitude interceptor.

New missile bolsters air defense: MND - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Without complete support of pappa America, Taiwan couldn't have claimed something like this. They have received all the tchnological support from Raytheon including HTK, TWT transmitter and Ka-band requirements. It is a downgraded variant of THAAD because US has denied them active seekrs developed by American companies working in Ka-band.

Short range and high altitude system. It can be easily taken out by China's HGV warheads. In a matter of seconds.

 

[Ich]

Does iran working on hight altitude interceptors..?? For ABM or LEO sats interception.

Reportedly, Taiwan tested hight altitude interceptor.

New missile bolsters air defense: MND - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

"During testing, the missile intercepted objects at altitudes of up to 70km, a source said on condition of anonymity."

Me wonder what "objects" there were. I cant see any missile Taiwan have what flies around in 70 km height. Also there are no numbers given at what speed the incoming "objects" are flying.

In my opinion this kind of "shoot down ballistig missiles with missiles" is already outdated. Any variant of this all over the world. Normally there should be first prototypes of laser weapons against BM in the development or finished. Goal of such a anti BM laser weapon should be 1 GW power at a range of 100+ kilometers.

 

[HGV]

Does iran working on hight altitude interceptors..?? For ABM or LEO sats interception.

Reportedly, Taiwan tested hight altitude interceptor.

New missile bolsters air defense: MND - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

S-300 has some ABM capability and I presume Bavar-373 does too (at least against tactical ballistic missiles). Iran's enemies are more air force centred rather than using ballistic missiles.

ASAT weapons are rumoured but not confirmed or in operation yet. It seems like a sensible progression.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655672241470709796

 

[tsunset]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655672241470709796

ASAT too?

 

[Mehdipersian]

Iran vs F35

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

 

[Neby Rakachun]

S-300 has some ABM capability and I presume Bavar-373 does too (at least against tactical ballistic missiles). Iran's enemies are more air force centred rather than using ballistic missiles.

ASAT weapons are rumoured but not confirmed or in operation yet. It seems like a sensible progression.

LOL S400, S300 and all other garbage air defenses can't even protect Russian strategic bomber bases from cruise missiles

 

[gambit]

Iran vs F35

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

I am compelled to address a bit of nonsense in that article...

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

Regarding the capabilities of the new system, the Head of Iran Electronics Industries (IEI) Brigadier General Amir Rastegari stated to this effect in an interview with local media:​

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"We have the fingerprints of the enemy’s electronic equipment. Just as fingerprints are unique to humans, this is also the case in regard to electromagnetic systems, and we have achieved the technology [to detect them] for several years... For example, if the radar of an F-35 fighter begins operations and surveillance, it emits radar waves which are different from those of another’s F-35’s radar waves. Today, we are capable of recognising them, that is, we can receive and analyse the telecommunication, radio and magnetic signals and find out the warplane they belong to. If the same fighter jet starts operating later, we will immediately find out about it.”​

Regarding the highlighted, technically speaking, that is true. No piece of electronics is identical to each other in manufacturing and operation. But what the general said is outright misleading, to say it kindly.

The electronics of any platform, be it a tank or airplane or ship or space based, is NOT UNITARY. Technically speaking, changing a component inside a system changed its EM signature. For what the general said, there are two main components of the F-35's radar system: antenna and computer.

So if an F-35 has its antenna changed, how would whatever fantastical air defense system know it is literally the same F-35 distinguished from hundreds of other F-35s?

What if the radar system's software was modified to transmit a different mode for a different air operation?

What if the entire radar system was modified to be installed into another platform such as the F-15?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I am compelled to address a bit of nonsense in that article...

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

Regarding the capabilities of the new system, the Head of Iran Electronics Industries (IEI) Brigadier General Amir Rastegari stated to this effect in an interview with local media:​

​

"We have the fingerprints of the enemy’s electronic equipment. Just as fingerprints are unique to humans, this is also the case in regard to electromagnetic systems, and we have achieved the technology [to detect them] for several years... For example, if the radar of an F-35 fighter begins operations and surveillance, it emits radar waves which are different from those of another’s F-35’s radar waves. Today, we are capable of recognising them, that is, we can receive and analyse the telecommunication, radio and magnetic signals and find out the warplane they belong to. If the same fighter jet starts operating later, we will immediately find out about it.”​

Regarding the highlighted, technically speaking, that is true. No piece of electronics is identical to each other in manufacturing and operation. But what the general said is outright misleading, to say it kindly.

The electronics of any platform, be it a tank or airplane or ship or space based, is NOT UNITARY. Technically speaking, changing a component inside a system changed its EM signature. For what the general said, there are two main components of the F-35's radar system: antenna and computer.

So if an F-35 has its antenna changed, how would whatever fantastical air defense system know it is literally the same F-35 distinguished from hundreds of other F-35s?

What if the radar system's software was modified to transmit a different mode for a different air operation?

What if the entire radar system was modified to be installed into another platform such as the F-15?

by seeing the signature but not seeing the airplane on other radars and you don't change component so often

 

[HGV]

LOL S400, S300 and all other garbage air defenses can't even protect Russian strategic bomber bases from cruise missiles

This isn't Palestine for you to settle, you are not welcome here. Shouldn't you be scurrying to your nearest bunker with your mother and the rest of her litter, filthy rat?

@PakSword @waz @WebMaster @PDF kindly remove these Zionist trolls from spreading their shit in the Iranian section. It seems nobody reads reports so we have no choice but to respond to these rats in kind, which only reduces the appeal of this forum to advertisers. It's not for me to tell you how to run your forum but it would be better if you kept order by preventing Zionist rats from being able to troll freely in the Iranian section. Thanks.

 

[aryobarzan]

I am compelled to address a bit of nonsense in that article...

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

Regarding the capabilities of the new system, the Head of Iran Electronics Industries (IEI) Brigadier General Amir Rastegari stated to this effect in an interview with local media:​

​

"We have the fingerprints of the enemy’s electronic equipment. Just as fingerprints are unique to humans, this is also the case in regard to electromagnetic systems, and we have achieved the technology [to detect them] for several years... For example, if the radar of an F-35 fighter begins operations and surveillance, it emits radar waves which are different from those of another’s F-35’s radar waves. Today, we are capable of recognising them, that is, we can receive and analyse the telecommunication, radio and magnetic signals and find out the warplane they belong to. If the same fighter jet starts operating later, we will immediately find out about it.”​

Regarding the highlighted, technically speaking, that is true. No piece of electronics is identical to each other in manufacturing and operation. But what the general said is outright misleading, to say it kindly.

The electronics of any platform, be it a tank or airplane or ship or space based, is NOT UNITARY. Technically speaking, changing a component inside a system changed its EM signature. For what the general said, there are two main components of the F-35's radar system: antenna and computer.

So if an F-35 has its antenna changed, how would whatever fantastical air defense system know it is literally the same F-35 distinguished from hundreds of other F-35s?

What if the radar system's software was modified to transmit a different mode for a different air operation?

What if the entire radar system was modified to be installed into another platform such as the F-15?

I am compelled to address a bit of nonsense in that article...

Iran’s New Air Defence System Identifies ‘Fingerprints’ of Individual F-35 Stealth Fighters - Reports

In the latest of multiple breakthroughs in the development of indigenous air defence systems Iran has reportedly developed a system capable of detecting

militarywatchmagazine.com

Regarding the capabilities of the new system, the Head of Iran Electronics Industries (IEI) Brigadier General Amir Rastegari stated to this effect in an interview with local media:​

​

"We have the fingerprints of the enemy’s electronic equipment. Just as fingerprints are unique to humans, this is also the case in regard to electromagnetic systems, and we have achieved the technology [to detect them] for several years... For example, if the radar of an F-35 fighter begins operations and surveillance, it emits radar waves which are different from those of another’s F-35’s radar waves. Today, we are capable of recognising them, that is, we can receive and analyse the telecommunication, radio and magnetic signals and find out the warplane they belong to. If the same fighter jet starts operating later, we will immediately find out about it.”​

Regarding the highlighted, technically speaking, that is true. No piece of electronics is identical to each other in manufacturing and operation. But what the general said is outright misleading, to say it kindly.

The electronics of any platform, be it a tank or airplane or ship or space based, is NOT UNITARY. Technically speaking, changing a component inside a system changed its EM signature. For what the general said, there are two main components of the F-35's radar system: antenna and computer.

So if an F-35 has its antenna changed, how would whatever fantastical air defense system know it is literally the same F-35 distinguished from hundreds of other F-35s?

What if the radar system's software was modified to transmit a different mode for a different air operation?

What if the entire radar system was modified to be installed into another platform such as the F-15?

All ESM libraries get updated from time yo time.

 

[TheImmortal]

ASAT too?

ASAT was relevant 20 years ago.

Now with SpaceX able to use heavy falcon and eventually Starship. You can have satellites replenished on a weekly basis.

You can’t eliminate all the enemies satellites and you will piss off a lot of countries (Allies like China and Russia included) by filling the orbit with tons of space debris causing everyone to have to navigate around them.

 

[gambit]

by seeing the signature but not seeing the airplane on other radars and you don't change component so often

All ESM libraries get updated from time yo time.

You guys are desperate to salvage the article. I understand. I bet none of you ever thought about the maintenance part. And now, there are more debunking.

Technically speaking, what the general said is true, assuming you are able to collect enough radar transmissions from the F-35 in the first place. If the F-35 enters hostile airspace, he would not be transmitting, and if he does transmit, his transmissions would be LPI and that requires time to collect enough fragments of the signals to analyze. Not enough.

An aircraft EM signature is not based upon active radar transmissions alone. Most of that signature is from body radiation but you are looking at a body whose shaping was designed to deny you most of those signals. So now you are left with fragments of body radiation. Not enough.

Example...

JT3D and TF33 is the same engine. TF33 is the military designator of the civilian engine.

Radar Detection of Agitated Metals (RADAM)

Analysis of Radar Detection of Agitated Metals (RADAM)

The rapid discontinuous fluctuations observed in the scattering from a moving multielement target, known as the intermittent-contact RADAM effect, are produced by variations in the surface currents caused by motion-induced changes in current paths between the target elements. Such a target can...

apps.dtic.mil

The rapid discontinuous fluctuations observed in the scattering from a moving multielement target, known as the intermittent-contact RADAM effect, are produced by variations in the surface currents caused by motion-induced changes in current paths between the target elements. Such a target can be modeled as a loaded scatterer. Tracked vehicles produce very strong and distinctive RADAM modulation at VHF frequencies. The results of experimental studies using a 51 scale-model tank suggest that the principal source of the above effect in this type of vehicle is the contact between the drive sprocket and the track. Time-domain processing of the detected amplitude modulation can be used to develop RADAM signatures for tracked vehicles and to identify them in real time.​

RADAM algorithm is well used to detect mass and clusters of moving metals like that of a jet engine, helo rotors, and even trucks via the spokes of their wheels. RADAM algorithm is a background process.

Supposed you detect a radar return that the computer flagged as a jet engine. You may even have it ID-ed as a JT3D. But how can you tell if the engine is in a civilian airliner or in a USAF air refueler? You must monitor the flight path. Airliners flies in a straight line from A to B and usually at a long duration altitude. On the other hand, air refuelers always have a 'race track' semi-oval flight pattern when they arrived at designated waypoints.

Like this...

DoD Air Refueling Frequencies - Update 15 Jul 2016

One of the more common frequencies that are heard in the 225-400 MHz aero band are the U.S. Air Force (USAF) aerial refueling (AR) frequenci...

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Am just using this simplified example to show you guys that even simplified is still more that what the general said. Your general is misleading the Iranian public.