Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609128190672359424

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1609109279163777024

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[tsunset]

Does someone have an analysis explaining that 3rd Khordad isn't a KUB or a BUK? I heard so many times of that but i never had the actual technical specs to argument

Or even making the difference analysis so everyone can respond to those saying it is a copy, it would be great

 

[WudangMaster]

SPAAG?

 

[mack8]

Looks like a Shilka.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Iran Army fires Khordad 15 air defense system during drills​

On the third day of Zolfaqar 1401 drills, the Army’s joint war game, that started on December 29, 2022, the Army forces fired the indigenous Khordad 15 air defense system on December 31

 

[Joe_Adam]

Actually, the F-35 would be obeying the laws of physics. Remember when an F-22 flew with the Iranian F-4s and surprised them? The reality is that the F-22 surprised Iranian ground radars, not the Iranian F-4s.

Aside from AWACS, airborne radars are limited to frontal view, simply because the array is mounted in the front end of the jet. It means that for air defense, the ground control intercept (GCI) method is the best.

NORAD Control Center - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NORAD Control Centers (NCCs) were Cold War "joint direction centers"[2] for command, control, and coordination of ground-controlled interception by both USAF Air Defense Command (ADC) and Army Air Defense Command (ARADCOM).​

Iranian air defense is no different. I used NORAD to remove any suspicious of deception.

What GCI does is direct interceptors to the air location of suspicious targets, then the interceptors make VISUAL identification of whatever they see. So when Iranian ground radars detected the US drone, they directed Iranian F-4s to intercept. What Iranian GCI controllers saw were three targets when there was a fourth body -- the F-22. In other words, Iranian air defense radars saw three bodies when there were PHYSICALLY four. If the F-22 flew close enough to check out the armaments carried by the Iranian F-4s, the F-22 was definitely inside the Iranian GCI radar beam.

Even if the platform is 'stealth', it does not mean the pilot have a license to be careless about radar nets. When I was active duty and on the F-111 stationed at RAF Upper Heyford, our squadrons, along with F-111S from RAF Lakenheath, often trained to avoid radar detection. Once, I was in the WSO seat over the Channel at 50 ft altitude in TFR hard ride. From the WSO seat, I tuned the TFR so that it would pick up even the waves. It was a hard flight because our two-ship flight were flying the waves as if they were land terrain features. We successfully 'attacked' France when they requested our assistance in testing their new air defense radar.

The B-2, F-117, F-22, and F-35 pilots are no different. Their mission plannings would include avoidance of radar nets as much as possible. Being low radar observable means that if you have to be in a radar beam, you would have enough time to exit the situation without being tagged as a target. It does not mean you can fly as if nothing happened. But in this particular situation, the F-22 pilot did not cared. The fact that he flew close enough to the Iranian F-4s means he knew he would be inside the Iranian GCI radar beam, but he also knew that being that close to the F-4s, he would be essentially invisible to the Iranian ground radars. Keep in mind that the American drone was physically smaller than the F-22 but the Iranian GCI radar saw only three, not four, targets, when all of them were flying in a STEADY STATE FORMATION.

If an Israeli F-35 was inside Iranian airspace, most likely the Iranians would not know it.

Lame and useless gibberish nonsense. Wake up dude, America is a washed up, crumbling nation ruled by a horde of very old, or better put expired braindead losers. The idea that drug ingesting American or a Jew boy could fly over Iran "TEHRAN" for two hours or even 2 seconds would be the greatest accomplishment in aerial acrobatics "pun intended". The US army, Navy and the rest of that rotten establishment mostly comprised of illiterates green card holding south and Latin American mercenaries. America has no capacity nor the guts to fight a high intensity war against Iran or any nation equipped for modern warfare, they will be litrally rapped and they know it, and yet, now and then we see loudmouth losers pop up "from behind PC screen" in USA or fake Israel fabricating stories about high-tech wonder weapons, flying over Tehran for two hours with a platform "F-35" that couldn't even reach that distance physically even if Iran lacked any means of detection or functional SAM systems. Unless of course by some divine miracle those junks consume nitrogen instead of Jet Fuel? That's possible since Jesus loves people with blue eyes who overdose on drugs and get drunk constantly.

Aside from people suffering perpetual hallucination or mental retardation no rational individual on earth would believe this physics defying fairytale. America was good, very good in 1960s to late 1990s but that's no longer the case. Technology gap between USA & Iran in most military technologies is almost ZERO. The only aspect of superiority USA has is in space based information gathering but nations such as Iran have means of neutralizing that.

The strange part of these phony stories is the idea that few squadrons of light aircraft could pacify Iran. Even the full fledge US assault on Iran wouldn't succeed due to Iran's long reach that's way more effective than any phony stealth . . Are you ready to lose 50,000 drunken US GIs in few weeks, then get ready and act instead of babbling like an old woman, get on with it and show the world your manhood, and surely you won't as you folks got none. Dogs that bark don't bite.

Most x US corpals and non-commissioned officers who never passed the threshold of 9th grade get excited by the slightest mention of US army, Navy or air force "many folks in this forum have the same inclinations too", and one would ask why; using too much drugs, drinking too much alcohol, and consuming loads of Lard at very early age could do that to you. By the time they reach adulthood, they no longer resemble humans neither mentally nor physically, but behave and think "acting on impulse" exactly like deformed creatures we call pigs. Thus, imagine the degree of difficulty in teaching such deadbrains the distinction between reality and fantasy . . .

Banning such retards would be the best course of action.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Mersad and Ghadir

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609376440620912641

 

[Flotilla]

Why using a Karrar UAV?. Maybe for avoiding any F22 or F35 to hide behind their radar signal???

 

[Sineva]

 

[gambit]

Lame and useless gibberish nonsense. Wake up dude, America is a washed up, crumbling nation ruled by a horde of very old, or better put expired braindead losers. The idea that drug ingesting American or a Jew boy could fly over Iran "TEHRAN" for two hours or even 2 seconds would be the greatest accomplishment in aerial acrobatics "pun intended". The US army, Navy and the rest of that rotten establishment mostly comprised of illiterates green card holding south and Latin American mercenaries. America has no capacity nor the guts to fight a high intensity war against Iran or any nation equipped for modern warfare, they will be litrally rapped and they know it, and yet, now and then we see loudmouth losers pop up "from behind PC screen" in USA or fake Israel fabricating stories about high-tech wonder weapons, flying over Tehran for two hours with a platform "F-35" that couldn't even reach that distance physically even if Iran lacked any means of detection or functional SAM systems. Unless of course by some divine miracle those junks consume nitrogen instead of Jet Fuel? That's possible since Jesus loves people with blue eyes who overdose on drugs and get drunk constantly.

Aside from people suffering perpetual hallucination or mental retardation no rational individual on earth would believe this physics defying fairytale. America was good, very good in 1960s to late 1990s but that's no longer the case. Technology gap between USA & Iran in most military technologies is almost ZERO. The only aspect of superiority USA has is in space based information gathering but nations such as Iran have means of neutralizing that.

The strange part of these phony stories is the idea that few squadrons of light aircraft could pacify Iran. Even the full fledge US assault on Iran wouldn't succeed due to Iran's long reach that's way more effective than any phony stealth . . Are you ready to lose 50,000 drunken US GIs in few weeks, then get ready and act instead of babbling like an old woman, get on with it and show the world your manhood, and surely you won't as you folks got none. Dogs that bark don't bite.

Most x US corpals and non-commissioned officers who never passed the threshold of 9th grade get excited by the slightest mention of US army, Navy or air force "many folks in this forum have the same inclinations too", and one would ask why; using too much drugs, drinking too much alcohol, and consuming loads of Lard at very early age could do that to you. By the time they reach adulthood, they no longer resemble humans neither mentally nor physically, but behave and think "acting on impulse" exactly like deformed creatures we call pigs. Thus, imagine the degree of difficulty in teaching such deadbrains the distinction between reality and fantasy . . .

Banning such retards would be the best course of action.

How much does Tehran pay you? By the words or by the hour. For the shid that I just read.

 

[Muhammed45]

How much does Tehran pay you? By the words or by the hour. For the shid that I just read.

Guy! Honestly your claims make you seem very foolish.

If your pirate leaders had any sort of assurance that they could win a possible battle with Iran, then believe it or not, they wouldn't have delayed it with no hesitation by now.

Iran's area denial capability beside your vulnerability in economic and political sectors plus the fighting spirit of Iranians leaves you with no choice but to avoid any conflict.

According to IRGC general they can target every spot in your country and according to Iranian leader, Iran will reapond to any attck with same volume and same method. If you attack our mainland, we will surely respond in the same way. How come Iran has sacrificed billions of billions on nuclear technology? To get NUKEd by USA with no response? Then you are a complete idiot like always you have shown to us.

It is a fact that USA has one of the best strategic depths in its mainland with one of the best equipped regular militaries of the world and hence no attack can stop it from retaliating, it is same about Iran and its mainland. Iran might be in a weaker position but its fighting spirit leaves it in the same level of USA. You point your pistol on my front, i'll do the same. At same time that USA tries to save face and attacks Iran, Russia China India and other capable countries will take the advantage and leave you behind. In short you can inflict a huge dmage on Iran and Iran can respond in a similar way, you gonna lose everything from allies to your reputation.

So my advice, shut the fuk up and listen to wise people of your country who honestly point to the realities of your society. CIA has been gathering terrorists, warlords, human traffickers, drug dealers and every criminal that you can imagine from around the world for plenty of reasons. The most corrupt political figures from every nationality resides in your country the same traitors that betray their own countries in the hope of US citizenship/greencard. My example is, MEK terrorists and their HQ in USA which is a grave threat to people of USA. The day your pirate leaders lose control over these criminals, they will turn your country into ashes. Not to mention that CIA is one the largest drug dealers in the world and your corrupt NSA spies on people of USA.

If you don't wake up to the truth and continue with policy of piracy around the world, you gonna lose everything.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Does someone have an analysis explaining that 3rd Khordad isn't a KUB or a BUK? I heard so many times of that but i never had the actual technical specs to argument

Or even making the difference analysis so everyone can respond to those saying it is a copy, it would be great

this part of the article explain it all.

3rd Khordad: The RQ-4 downing

Understanding what was achieved This post is about the Iranian 3rd Khordad SAM, a system that should not have been able to do it's first ope...

patarames.blogspot.com

As the performance parameters of the 3rd Khordad have not been published, we can calculate the performance of other better known systems against a -20 dB class target.
The highest performance system, of which the necessary data for the radar equation is known, is the export variant of the Russian S-400:

• Tracking of a -20 dB class target by the 92N6E X-band engagement radar would be 56km.
• Tracking of a -10 dB class target by the 92N6E X-band engagement radar would be 100km.

Iran claims that target was tracked or locked at 120km, missile was launched at 90km distance and hit the approaching RQ-4 at 75km distance.

The 3rd Khordad however is not comparable to the S-400. In terms of aperture size, its about 7 times smaller and doesn't achieve as high power levels.

the people that compare the system with BUK actually compare it to BUK-M2EK which iran never had access to
here are the difference in the two system
range:
3rd of Khordad depended on missile : 200km, 105km, 75km ,50km
Buk M2Ek: 25-45km
engagement altitude:
3rd of Khordad: depend on the missile 27-30km
Buk M2EK: 15-25km
a BUK battalion can engage 24 incoming enemy aircraft at 50km of range . the number for 3rd of khordad is 16 incoming enemy aircraft at 200km of range

 

[Messerschmitt]

this part of the article explain it all.

3rd Khordad: The RQ-4 downing

Understanding what was achieved This post is about the Iranian 3rd Khordad SAM, a system that should not have been able to do it's first ope...

patarames.blogspot.com

the people that compare the system with BUK actually compare it to BUK-M2EK which iran never had access to
here are the difference in the two system
range:
3rd of Khordad depended on missile : 200km, 105km, 75km ,50km
Buk M2Ek: 25-45km
engagement altitude:
3rd of Khordad: depend on the missile 27-30km
Buk M2EK: 15-25km
a BUK battalion can engage 24 incoming enemy aircraft at 50km of range . the number for 3rd of khordad is 16 incoming enemy aircraft at 200km of range

3rd Khordad TELs/TELARs are also smaller (reduced footprint) than Buk-M2EK TELs/TELARs while its main missiles (Taer-2) are actually larger in size (longer range) than Buk-M2's 9M317 missiles. 3rd Khordad's Bashir acquisition radar (based on Chinese JY-11B) is also more similar to Belarusian Buk-MB3K's "Radar-150" (based on Chinese JH-18) than to its Russian counterpart.

 

[Messerschmitt]

Kub/Buk-ish systems:
Raad-1: Passive Kub
Raad-2: Passive Buk
Tabas: Ambush Buk-M1
3rd Khordad: Iran's "Super Buk"
3rd Khordad (9th Dey): Short-to-medium-range anti-saturation-attack version
Alamolhoda: Alleged (secret) very-long-range system

HAWK-derived systems:
Mersad: Iran's reverse-engineered (+ improved) HAWK
Mersad-16: Modern, re-designed HAWK

Patriot-lookalike Sayyad missile systems:
Talash: Medium-range capability for Iran's S-200 sites
15th Khordad: IRIADF's Patriot (AESA)
Jooshan: IRIADF's Patriot (PESA)
Sayyad: IRGC-ASF's Patriot?
Tactical Sayyad: IRIADF's 3rd Khordad
Bavar-373: Iran's S-300/400
Arman (?): Upcoming very-long-range (400 km) system

FM-80-based systems (basically forgotten):
Ya Zahra: Reverse-engineered FM-80
Herz-9: Miniaturized, mobile FM-80

Tor-derived systems:
Dezful: IRGC-ASF's Tor-M1
Dezful Plus: IRIADF's improved Dezful
Oghab (?): Possibly Dezful with added AAA

Other SHORADs:
Majid: Very mobile EO/IIR ambush SHORAD
Zoobin: Modern low-altitude AESA VLS SHORAD
Separ (?): Possibly Iran's Pantsir

Quick overview of Iranian SAM systems for those who are getting just as confused as me.