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export version of s-400 won't come with 400km range missile . and Bavar has a tracking range of 400km and detecting range of 450km , it means in future if they build sayyad-5 it can be a 400km engagement systemIran need s300v4/s500 ABM class system, s500 will be the best...
I was wishing for 350km coverage...That would replace the necessity of s400 permanently . I still wish for that,
they only say bavar is made with the help of russia or china because they are jealous . Bavar use two AESA radar while even S-400 don't use AESA radar and S-500 if I'm not wrong use one AESA and One PESA (I'm not sure on that)Is bavar a complete indigenous system? I mean made from scratch without something else as a base or sample, with full indigenous radar and missiles?
Also the same question but with 3rd khordad
asking these because i need arguments for people saying 3rd khordad is a BUK copy and that Bavar "has certainly been made with chinese or russian assistance" even they have no proof, but beside the look, is 3rd Khordad completely different than Buk M2E?
The 3rd of khordad was certainly conceptually based on the buk,at least originally,however during its development you saw its evolve from being a shorad to a medium ranged sam,likely due to the increasing performance of its aesa radar as it was developed during the program.Is bavar a complete indigenous system? I mean made from scratch without something else as a base or sample, with full indigenous radar and missiles?
Also the same question but with 3rd khordad
asking these because i need arguments for people saying 3rd khordad is a BUK copy and that Bavar "has certainly been made with chinese or russian assistance" even they have no proof, but beside the look, is 3rd Khordad completely different than Buk M2E?
Defence ministry project , IRGC is more interested in 3rd of Khordad. but in our air defence branch of our armed force there is very little parallel work , if IRGC manage an achievemnet , you see it soon in defence ministry systems , if defense ministry make an achievement you see its also used in IRGC systems , there is no reinventing the wheel there and the systems of army and irgc are connected and linked together , army air defense have access to IRGC radars and IRGC Air defense have access to army radarsWheres the IRGC version?
why you always ask such sensitive strategic questions consistently? it was "what is Iran getting for giving Russia drones, but what is Iran getting back", now its this. hmm.Is bavar a complete indigenous system? I mean made from scratch without something else as a base or sample, with full indigenous radar and missiles?
Also the same question but with 3rd khordad
asking these because i need arguments for people saying 3rd khordad is a BUK copy and that Bavar "has certainly been made with chinese or russian assistance" even they have no proof, but beside the look, is 3rd Khordad completely different than Buk M2E?
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Actually China has no long-range system in this class despite their advances in electronics and radar technologies. The only long range Chinese SAM system is the HQ-9 was developed with Russian assistance and benefits from Russian technology transfers. Also it uses missiles similar to those of the S-300. Interestingly some sources report that the HQ-9 also incorporates some electronic technologies of the US Patriot air defense system.they only say bavar is made with the help of russia or china because they are jealous . Bavar use two AESA radar while even S-400 don't use AESA radar and S-500 if I'm not wrong use one AESA and One PESA (I'm not sure on that)
about 3rd of Khordad , it start its origin from project Ra'ad which indeed was based on BUK but its many years it separated its way and benefit the research and development was made for 15th of Khordad and Bavar-373 right now 3rd of khordad have an engagement range of 200km and also it won't need its radar to engage targets up to 70km which make it fantastic for ambushing enemy aircrafts
by the way we only had access to buk-m1 and even buk-m3 have engagement range of 70km and needs its radar for that . and buk battalion have a detection of 160km while 3rd of Khordad battalion can detect target up to 400km away
the problem is that the only similarity between Bavar-373 and S-300 is that both use separate radar of detection and engagement , that's it , are you aware of any other similarity between them ?Did Iran benefit from Russian technologies during the R&D phase? Of course otherwise they would be foolish not to do so. Russia is the top producer of SAM systems in the world. But, Iran did not get any Russian/Chinese input nor any assistance in designing the BAVAR-373, it's 100% indigenous Iranian system from concept to production.
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In a nutshell, the only similarities are their intended functions as robust SAM systems. Bavar 375 is an Iranian concept derived from 30 years of observations, testing, and decades of research work incorporating both Russian and some Western technologies to make a uniquely indigenous system unlike any other in the world.the problem is that the only similarity between Bavar-373 and S-300 is that both use separate radar of detection and engagement , that's it , are you aware of any other similarity between them ?
bro I'm just curious, i'm not working for the IDF to get coordinates to strike bavar sites and know exactly how it works by coming herewhy you always ask such sensitive strategic questions consistently? it was what is Iran getting for giving Russia drones, but what is Iran getting back, now its this. hmm.