What's new

Iranian Air Defense Systems

@PeeD look at the pic brother and tell me if you know the range on that radar what is it 500 - 600 km? one of them is enough to cover entire Iraq air space




unveiling of Persian Gulf Air Defense Command Operations Center


1396060811575464011792994.jpg


157043748825821800.jpg



https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1398/07/15/2113413/آغاز-به-کارمرکز-عملیات-فرماندهی-پدافندهوایی-خلیج-فارس


Kihan radar has a range of well more then 3000 km that is it operational range not its ultimate range





is that the Kihan radar with 3000 km range? its has been deployed near Persian Gulf.


70181763_383826612504203_1337399591173471445_n.jpg




برد 3000 کیلومتر که برای این رادار اعلام شده تنها برای میزان مداومت کاری رادار کیهانی است درحالیکه برد این رادار بیش از 3 هزار کیلومتر است.


https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/192656/برد-رادار-کیهان-ایرانی-اعلام-شد
 
.
2: You don't need highest ECCM capabilities for a system that intercepts PGMs, CM's and small UAVs, those won't come with their own jammer. Plus, any stand-off jammer would be far away to avoid being killed by MR and LR systems.
Just ask Syrian about how their system get jammed left and right.
 
.
Just ask Syrian about how their system get jammed left and right.

Their legacy systems get jammed, less so their Pantsirs, at least they kill as many as possible Israeli PGMs (which come in masses at high cost).

Speaking about this: The advantage of the Iranian AESA solution over the original TOR-M1 PESA is its multi target engagement capability.
The TOR-M1 PESA is a very cost effective large aperture, low element radar. It is significantly more cheaper than the Pantsir PESA solution. In fact the Pantsir solution was deemed so expensive by the Russians, that they switched to a horn feed PESA design in the future Pantsir-SM to make the system more economical.

The upside of the Pantsir is that it can truly target 2-4 different targets in one sector at the same time.
The TOR-M1 is designed to target a single target primarily and if necessary a second one flying close to the first one, not anywhere in the whole sector.

So this is the situation and Irans AESA solution is on-pair with the Pantsir multi target capability.

The Oghab, now known to be TOR-M1 based, thus may represent a cost effective but by now legacy solution? Here is where Sardar Hajizadehs claim become important if he was talking about the Oghab system: If it can target while moving, then the radar can't be the cost effective but limited TOR-M1 ones. To achieve that capability you need an agile beam full element array.
The required beam agility level would put it to the level of the TOR-M2. The TOR-M2 has about twice as much phase shifters than the -M1 to enable true sector multi-target capability as well as necessary beam agility levels to launch while moving. The acquisition radar would then also need to become a PESA design for angular compensation.
If Hajizadeh was talking about a yet unknown IRGC system that uses the Iranian AESA solution, there is a risk that the Oghab is just a miniaturized TOR-M1.
The Chinese FM-2000 has been upgraded to TOR-M2 level on radar side with whole sector multi-target engagement and launch while moving.
So the key to achieve that would be doubling the element count at increased cost.

The missile issue is another one: If it retains the mach 2 level TOR-M1 missile, then no more than 8 are possible. If it goes for the mach 3 level Pantsir-like missile, it would also get a smaller diameter missile that may improve ready to fire missile count to 10-12 (and creating the problem of a dangerous burned booster crashing).

I have the feeling that the IRIADF, like the Chinese opted for a more economical miniaturized copy of the TOR-M1 to be used in a battery of 4 inside IADS environment.

While the IRGC is working on a next generation system like the Morfey concept, that is still some years away. That next generation system would use a vertically launched Pantsir-like mach-3 class interceptor, reduce mechanical complexity (=improve reliability) and employ a single array AESA. If miniaturization efforts reach a certain point, this system would become a compact, low footprint front-line system that works independently, is hard to detect, multi-target capable and with a large load of ready to fire missiles (>20).
Such a system would protect 3rd Khordad systems with its continuously operating, high reliability, low power level, LPI AESA at the edge of the front-line where threat level is highest.
 
. . . .
To think in 2005, Iran had one of the worst air defenses IN THE WORLD!

Amazing progresss.
Yes,who could forget Planemans infamous series of posts: "Bluffers Guide to Fortress Iran" from around that same time period.[For those who have not read it and are curious you can find it here,tho minus the aerial pics sadly.]
https://milforum.net/showthread.php/60020-Bluffer-s-Guide-Fortress-Iran-Part-1-Air-Defences

Frankly I think that the efforts that the iranians have put into the air defence modernisation programs are literally nothing short of being almost superhuman.
 
Last edited:
.
Some more thoughts on the Oghab system.

Like the TOR-M1 the system would be designed to work in a battery of four.
This means that the sector angle limitation of simultaneous attack becomes less important as 3 other systems can cover entirely different sectors.
So the cost effective approach of a half element array becomes attractive again in this battery concept.

Continuous operation also becomes a reliable option again because only 1-2 systems of the battery need to have their acquisition radars on and share the information with the other battery elements.

The truth is that Irans AESA solution simply has a smaller effective aperture that allows only for two simultaneous engagements. A larger AESA array would make it significantly more expensive.

The next point is whether TOR-M2 and Chinese FM-2000 have increased the element count to achieve 4 simultaneous engagements instead of two or were able to do it by optimization and increased power output.
What makes the TOR design attractive in terms of cost is its half element approach.
This may also have allowed for launch while moving where terrain is relatively flat.

Plus points of the TOR design is that it can be used safer in urban areas, as it's missile has no booster stage and that its missiles are safe in the center of the armored vehicle (secondary explosion). Technological the step from the Crotale/Sagheb Tagheb missile to the TOR-M1 and TOR-M2U missile is no issue, Iran would simply change the production line.

The new small missile for the TOR-M2 which increases load from 8 to 16 however has just entered Russian service in 2016 or so. Hence this capability might be too state of the art for Irans first true anti-PGM system. Chinese also stick to the old missiles in 2019.
Here again the 4 vehicle battery would make up for the numbers, providing 32 ready to fire missiles. If Iran has managed to come on pair to the TOR-M2U/FM-2000 level it also means that 16 simultaneous engagement are possible in 4 entirely different sectors.

The Chinese decision to go for the TOR design instead of a Pantsir imitation as their next generation PLA SHORAD system is one good sign and the Russians replacing the Pantsir back-feed PESA to a space feed in the -SM one another.
A Pantsir copy would be more capable as a stand alone system:
- Engagement of 4 targets in a 5-10 times larger sector azimuth angle.
- Janus face twin acquisition radar offering added system redundancy.
- 12 instead of 8 ready to fire missiles
- AAA system for low priority/capability targets and if missile component fails to eliminate the threat.
- Acquisition radar able to track highest angle targets independently.
- Mach 3 class missile, reducing reaction-kill time (crossing and very low flying target).
- Longer missile engagement range

These benefits over a single TOR system would not be worth it if its twice as expensive. The original TOR was not a cheap system, but as the Oghab is truck mounted it will safe costs significantly together with its FM-2000 level miniaturization. Just one last thing about miniaturization: Russians are no fools, they just have highest standards on external sourced components, especially microelectronics plus things like very cold climate requirements.

On the speculation of a next gen. IRGC AESA based system: As said the current array size/power-level only supports two simultaneous engagements. Additionally such a system with fixed launch containers would need a omni-directional nose thruster system to allow for alignment into any direction. The Chinese FM-3000 is such a system, just very large, too long ranged and bulky. I guess the FM-3000 radar is a AESA all-in-one solution too, just that given the cost, the Chinese decided to create an export MR-SAM system out of it, not just a SHORAD.
 
Last edited:
.
its conformed now, Syria did say they are looking to by Bavar-373 long range Air defense system from Iran.




"The deputy coordinator of Khatam Al-Anbiya headquarters said Syria had made a request to buy the Bavar-373 long range Air defense system from Iran, but we had not yet agreed."



Speed in operation, ease of preparation and maintenance, minimal accessory equipment needed, it can be stored for long periods of time and operator safety, compatible with world-class technology and the possibility of replacement and supply of spare parts and more makes Bavar-373 long range Air defense system a universal candidate.



190822-iran-missile-mc-1004_1506b25046ebeea87d0521368a4619dc.fit-760w.JPG


ECkx7nAWkAAbrUl.jpg:large





https://snn.ir/fa/news/797083/درخواست-سوریه-برای-خرید-سامانه-باور-۳۷۳-از-ایران
 
Last edited:
.
its conformed now, Syria did say they are looking to by Bavar-373 long range Air defense system from Iran.




"The deputy coordinator of Khatam Al-Anbiya headquarters said Syria had made a request to buy the Bavar-373 long range Air defense system from Iran, but we had not yet agreed."



Speed in operation, ease of preparation and maintenance, minimal accessory equipment needed, it can be stored for long periods of time and operator safety, compatible with world-class technology and the possibility of replacement and supply of spare parts and more makes Bavar-373 long range Air defense system a universal candidate.



190822-iran-missile-mc-1004_1506b25046ebeea87d0521368a4619dc.fit-760w.JPG


ECkx7nAWkAAbrUl.jpg:large





https://snn.ir/fa/news/797083/درخواست-سوریه-برای-خرید-سامانه-باور-۳۷۳-از-ایران
I really like to see it installed in Syria and kick some a......
 
.
I really like to see it installed in Syria and kick some a......

agreed but i'm worried too, if it gets destroyed then it will be the end of its capabilities in the eyes of others and other buyers too, with all of the enemies we have even in Iran, they are watching for a slipp if we do slipp then it's going to be broadcast all over the world, they already said Israel hit a Bavar 373 the only reason no one believed them was that it was such a big lie at the time that no one see it coming so they refused to believe but if Iran goes ahead and say yes the Bavar is in Syria then it all over even if they lie about it.
 
.
agreed but i'm worried too, if it gets destroyed then it will be the end of its capabilities in the eyes of others and other buyers too, with all of the enemies we have even in Iran, they are watching for a slipp if we do slipp then it's going to be broadcast all over the world, they already said Israel hit a Bavar 373 the only reason no one believed them was that it was such a big lie at the time that no one see it coming so they refused to believe but if Iran goes ahead and say yes the Bavar is in Syria then it all over even if they lie about it.
Yes, but look at the upside too. If it is installed and it actually proves so deadly that stops all the illegal air raids at Syria. Then the whole world would line up to buy this system and nobody would ever dare to talk about Air assault on Iran. That is how super powers are born: One decisive win and you are set for a number of centuries.
 
.
US Stops U-2 Spy Planes' Flights after Iran's Missile Shield Starts Operation



"The US moves in the region are monitored every hour and for instance, the flights of the US U-2 planes which took off from Cyprus and flew twice over the region stopped after Iran made and operated Bavar 373 air defense system and after they found out that the system can trace and destroy them (the U-2 planes)," General Taqizadeh said, addressing a ceremony in Tehran on Saturday.

He added that Bavar 373 can intercept and destroy the most advanced US planes at the altitude of 27km and the range of 200km.

"Most US interests are within a distance of 220km from Iran and if they hit a blow to us, their interests will be attacked," General Taqizadeh said.




https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980713000959
 
Last edited:
.
Yes, but look at the upside too. If it is installed and it actually proves so deadly that stops all the illegal air raids at Syria. Then the whole world would line up to buy this system and nobody would ever dare to talk about Air assault on Iran. That is how super powers are born: One decisive win and you are set for a number of centuries.
Yes but Bavar is one of rings designed in an air defense grid against Air assault so either you gotta send other systems too like Pantiser (Oghab) or Bavar would be vulnerable and defenseless against threats that it has not designed for.. also without presence of a mighty Air force this vulnerability would even get worse .. so I disagree. I think first we should produce at least 10 of them to cover our air space ..
https _s3.amazonaws.com_the-drive-staging_message-editor%2F1506444672598-ada.jpgRussian-Air-Defence-Ranges.jpg
 
.
Iran has reached Laser Defense Systems/Faster and easier defense against alien cruises and drones with new generation of Defense Systems
2593286.jpg

Laser defense systems are very fast and in fact their projectiles move at the speed of light. As long as there is energy, the firing continues, and at the same time, any laser beam is cheap.

The use of direct energy systems such as lasers in weapons systems has long been considered by designers and makers of weapons systems, and especially the use of such weapons in sci-fi films has been widespread .This is especially true in the Star Wars movie series, but laser weapons or direct energy aren't limited to cinema or fantasy novels, and, after decades of constant effort, are slowly getting into the real battlefield. are.

Read more:
Iran's acquisition of laser cannon weapons
The Islamic Republic is the fourth country in the world with the capability to independently produce long range missiles


While few countries in the world have been able to achieve tangible achievements in this field, it is now reported that the Islamic Republic of Iran has also launched a serious campaign on the design and manufacture of laser weapons and is currently actively operating a system. In this regard, Amir Shahrokh Shahram, Deputy Minister of Defense and Head of Electronics Industries (SAI), said in recent days, "In addition, we are now using lasers to prepare artillery and ball and radar systems to enable the system. Tracking and targeting the target with high accuracy, we also had good gains in the subject of killing, all of which are manufactured domestically, making radar birds out of composite layers to be both radar-free, lightweight, and continuously propelled. It helps in the air. This is a composite body against the powerful Ace lasers It is affordable and we can use these lasers to destroy them, now used in critical areas of the country, and today the world's leading laser technology in the hands of our Armed Forces specialists. Is located . "

However, in order to better understand this topic, let's take a brief look at the history of laser weapons.

Challenges and problems facing laser systems

The first and one of the biggest enemies of laser systems is bad weather. Any dense fog, cloudiness, cloud cover, sandstorm or artificial smoke can easily reduce or deflect this laser beam, or deflect it, or even completely in optimum conditions. For example, several years ago, while reporting a short-range laser defense system for the US Navy to the Persian Gulf, the media reported problems with laser systems.

Now for some of our readers, the question may arise as to what the situation is for Iran. One should take into account these issues; firstly, there is no specification or specification of the Iranian laser system, but according to Amir Shahram, it can be guessed that we are a short-range defensive system. Specifically on land, the air conditions are much calmer than in offshore areas, and during the one-year days there is more storm-free weather.

The next major issue is that in a scenario involving a ground-based laser cannon, the amount of energy available is far greater than a water-based destroyer or warship.

For better understanding, consider this example: Suppose Iran's laser system is installed around an air base or nuclear facility near Isfahan. Specifically, power supply for a multi-megawatt laser with very high destructive power is readily available to the air defense.

What are the Benefits of Having a Laser Defense?

Cruise missiles, anti-radar missiles and guided bombs are among the most important threats against Iran in the event of any military conflict with the United States. US uses a large number of cruise missiles to target in the first wave of attack, particularly destroying air defense and radar systems and paving the way for a military offensive.

Laser defense systems are high speed and in fact their projectiles move at the speed of light, as long as there is energy, the firing continues, while firing any laser beam is very cheap and some of the industrial and scientific resources are expensive. Each laser beam was fired at a few cents. Today, the US, China, Russia, and Germany (and now Iran) have been pursuing the same short-range or fixed-range lasers for short-range air defense to defend sensitive installations, and are likely to have achieved some success. It can now be said with some confidence that laser weapons have become an operational truth at least in the short-range air defense debate.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/99...به-سلاح-لیزری-شکسته-شد-دفاع-سریع-تر-و-راحت-تر
 

Attachments

  • 138820104_190675148ccdfe.jpg
    138820104_190675148ccdfe.jpg
    35.4 KB · Views: 76
.

Latest posts

Back
Top Bottom