Iran wants China in Chabahar development

[haman10]

"Iran slaps India" ? Dafuq ?

no thanks .

this is just an investment opportunity which thankfully indians of this forum didn't go all retard about it . Co-investment of a big project , that it . no need to go all crazy about it

@Serpentine @Daneshmand have you guys seen this thread ? lol

It needs only a Grade III feather brain to assume that India expects Iranians to exclude the Chinese from Chah Bahar. Iran will do whatever is good for their national interest and India would follow the same i.e a cheaper trade route to Central Asia and Europe. But who cares!! For professional trolls everything is black and white.

 

[Shotgunner51]

What India can do for Iran China can do in triple quick time.

China to join OPEC as an associate member。

Bro there is hardly any comparison in ports & logistics.

China has the leading port tech, huge building capacity and rich operational experience that can't be matched, see above post (#28). One hostile country has tried to bypass ZPMC but failed.

Ban on ZPMC cranes to hurt Indian ports - Livemint
India's ban of ZMPC leaves port operators in uncertainty -- China Shipping
ZMPC cranes ordered for Indian terminal​

In terms of operation, China also has most of world's top 10 powerful operators as per Lloyd:

Tan Chong Meng, PSA International, Singapore
IT HAS been another year of "steady as she goes" for PSA International as the state-backed port giant continued to make technical adjustments to its portfolio to meet the needs of shipping line alliances and larger vessels. In terms of developments, chief executive Tan Chong Meng has overseen the opening of the LYG-PSA Container Terminal in Lianyungang, which has a full-build-out design capacity of 2.8m teu. This is the operator's first foray into the Yangtze River Delta region. This year, it was also awarded the concession to develop and operate a new terminal in Jawaharlal Nehru and work started on its Mersin expansion project.

Eric Ip, Hutchison Port Holdings, China Hong Kong
ERIC Ip took over as managing director of Hutchison Port Holdings from John Meredith in January. Last year the port company maintained its position as the number one global container terminal operator by total volumes with 78.3m teu handled in 2013. In terms of developments over the last year, HPH Management sold the bulk of HPH Trust’s stake in Hong Kong’s Terminal 8 in March for $319m to China’s Cosco Pacific and China Shipping Terminal Development. In June Hutchison Port Holdings subsidiary Barcelona Europe South Terminal held a ground-breaking ceremony for the next phase of its development.

Kim Fejfer, APM Terminals, Netherlands
KIM Fejfer-led APM Terminals maintained its position as the world’s second-busiest terminal operator in terms of total throughput last year as its facilities handled 68m teu. In the first nine months of 2014, APM Terminals, following broad growth across its portfolio of terminals, saw volumes jump 7% from 27m teu to 28.9m teu. In the third quarter, the port operator completed the sale of the 100% share of APM Terminals Virginia in the US and a 50% share in Terminal Porte Océane, Le Havre, France, for a combined gain of $359m. Additions to the network came mainly from the acquisition of NCC Group by Global Ports Investments, in which APMT has a 37.5% stake, in Russia during 2013 and completion of the jointly owned Brasil Terminal Portuario in Santos. Next year, APMT will benefit from the first full year of operations at hi-tech Maasvlakte II in Rotterdam.

Mohammed Sharaf, DP World, UAE
LAST year, Mohammed Sharaf oversaw the addition of 1m teu to DP World's flagship Jebel Ali terminal and opened the 1.6m teu London Gateway facility and phase one of the 1m teu Embraport terminal in Brazil. This year DP World has opened the 4m teu Terminal 3 development at Jebel Ali and a new automated terminal in Brisbane. It has also announced plans for the $2.6bn acquisition of Jebel Ali Free Zone assets. Next year will mark the start of operations at Rotterdam World Gateway, which it will run in partnership with Mitsui OSK Lines, Hyundai Merchant Marine, APL and CMA CGM.

Fu Yuning, China Merchants, China
CHINA Merchants has been aggressively expanding its ports portfolio in recent years and further growth is expected in the future. Its early 2013 purchase of a 49% stake in Terminal Link, the CMA CGM port-management arm, for $534.8m has propelled China Merchants into the top five port players by equity throughput last year. In 2014 it continued its overseas expansion by co-investing $601m with a major mainland construction company in a second phase of port development in Sri Lanka. It also announced plans to issue up to HK$15.4bn ($2bn) worth of mandatory convertible securities to shareholders, in a bid to fortify its balance sheet for future acquisition and development.

Li Yunpeng, Cosco Pacific, China
COSCO Pacific, the Hong Kong-listed port arm of Chinese state giant Cosco Group, is looking at further expansion opportunities in China and other countries after purchases of stakes in two terminals earlier this year. While not ruling out expansion in developed nations, where it has enjoyed strong throughput growth this year, the company will focus more on terminals in emerging economies for their growth prospects. Having completed deals for 40% of Hong Kong-based Asia Container Terminals (Terminal 8 West) and 25% of an iron ore terminal in Dongjiakou, two transactions totalling $269.7m, Cosco Pacific still held cash reserves of $929.2m as of end-June. In early December, it also signed a deal to develop a new terminal in addition to existing facilities in Piraeus.

Vikram Sharma, TIL, Luxemburg
IN TERMS of new terminal investments it has been a quiet year for the Mediterranean Shipping Co majority-owned Terminal Investment Limited after Infrastructure Partners took a 35% stake in the company for just over $1.9bn in 2013. The only announcement of note is TIL’s investment in a 29% share in APM Terminals Callao. The deal appears to make sense as MSC is the port’s largest customer. It is also reported to be one of the bidders to build and operate terminals at soon-to-be-privatised Haifa and Ashdod in Israel. In May the operator was also given permission to re-organise operations at Antwerp. It will take a stake in a new company, PSA DGD, which will operate a terminal at Deurganck Dock that will provide improved access to the largest vessels. The terminal operator also hit the headlines this year when a dispute over calls of non-MSC vessels at its terminal in Valencia spilled out into the press.

Fang Meng, China Shipping Terminal Development, China
OVER the last few years, the China Shipping-owned terminal operator has faced the same issues that many shipping company-owned port businesses face; the parent company is looking to sell assets to reduce debts. In 2013 it sold a majority stake in strategically located Lianyungang port to PSA for around $120m and disposed of terminal assets to a Hong Kong affiliate for a $142m gain. However, this could well be the end of its terminal divestment and this year it expanded its footprint when China Shipping Terminal Development bought a 20% stake in Hong Kong’s Terminal 8 West.

Chang Yung-fa, Evergreen, China Taiwan
THE main development for Evergreen’s terminal business over the past year has been Evergreen Line’s decision to axe calls at its Taranto facility. The shipping line said the decision to cut calls to the port was part of a contingency plan it had implemented while the Port of Taranto Authority dredges the port’s harbour to allow larger vessels to call at the port in the future. Evergreen’s box terminals are mostly designed to support its liner activities. In total, it operates four transhipment hubs, comprising two domestic stakes in Tai Chung and Kaohsiung, and oversees interests in Colon and Taranto. It remains to be seen whether Evergreen’s fleet expansion plans will be matched by investment in container terminals over the coming years.

Tai Soo Suk, Hanjin, South Korea
TAI Soo Suk took over as president and chief executive of Hanjin Shipping in March and is faced with the challenge of trying to deleverage the company and return it to profitability. This challenge is being met through a syndicated loan, by rolling existing loans and asset sales. Hanjin, which aimed to earn Won600bn ($542.7m) from liquidation of non-core business, has so far made Won309.5bn from selling controlling stakes in 29 bulk carriers and seven liquefied natural gas tankers. But the carrier also plans to make Won300bn from sales of shares in terminals, and is to divest from a terminal in Algeciras, Spain.

Top 100 port players ranked by container throughput - Lloyd's List
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Last but not least, China has a variety of well-funded financial institutions that can invest across the globe. Just the Sovereign Welfare Funds alone have over US$1.9 trillion (Mainland + HK) to invest, backed by another US$3.8 trillion of Forex Reserves (Mainland) as well as AIIB.

Other than China, Iran may also choose Singapore, Netherlands, South Korea or UAE (if geo-politics is not a concern) as partner, they all possess very good capabilities. But India? What India can offer?



@Gibbs

 

[bolo]

Some country has a world renowned tradition of messing up any big project, we don't want to see the same farce in some British games again.

I am reading between the lines and do think Iran doesn't want India to take on this mega project alone because Iran cannot wait 100 years to be half completed.

 

[AndrewJin]

Some arguments from Hindu are crazy. Why can't Iranians and Pakistanis have two ports? China has several top10 ports, so what? Pakistan and Iran are big enough countries and have full potential to have multiple mega ports. Their ambition is concrete and practical, not the typical surpassing Shanghai in 2012 bragging.

 

[Indika]

Just in, seems india is looking for quid pro quo.

India may invest Rs 2 lakh crore at Chabahar port in Iran: Nitin Gadkari - The Economic Times

NEW DELHI: India is eyeing investments to the tune of Rs 2 lakh crore at Chabahar port in Iran in various infrastructure projects, Union Minister Nitin Gadkari said today.
The investments, however, will depend on the outcome of the negotiations on gas price as Iran has offered to supply natural gas at $2.95 while India wants rates to be lowered.

 

[jaunty]

It needs only a Grade III feather brain to assume that India expects Iranians to exclude the Chinese from Chah Bahar. Iran will do whatever is good for their national interest and India would follow the same i.e a cheaper trade route to Central Asia and Europe. But who cares!! For professional trolls everything is black and white.

You mean majority of PDF Pakistanis right?

"Iran slaps India" ? Dafuq ?

no thanks .

this is just an investment opportunity which thankfully indians of this forum didn't go all retard about it . Co-investment of a big project , that it . no need to go all crazy about it

@Serpentine @Daneshmand have you guys seen this thread ? lol

Indians understand the benefits of mutual cooperation. India has no issues with Iran trading with China or China trading with any other country including Iran. It is only Pakistanis, whose world vision is limited to harming India, are paranoid about everything involving India.

 

[Shamain]

You mean majority of PDF Pakistanis right?



Indians understand the benefits of mutual cooperation. India has no issues about Iran trading with China or China trading with any other country including Iran. It is only Pakistanis, whose world vision is limited to harming India, are paranoid about everything involving India.

Ironically, u come on a pakistani site,ironically u bad mouth pakistanis, more ironically ,u go on to make an absurd statement as if you have crafted our foreign policy......like pakistan's vision to harm india and the rest of the gibberish u uttered.....it only shows ur paranoia levels , not ours. So why india has been raising concerns over cpec passing thru Pak kashmir, if india is so angel like and has no issues with Pakistan's development and growth?
If you have so much issues with Pakistanis mindsets then what are u doing here? We pakistanis arent visiting any indian sites .....unlike u guys who are the highest number of subsribers here and needless to say nuisance as well. Now who is paranoid abt whom?

 

[Serpentine]

The problem with threads like this is that most people took it personally, and from a political aspect. But when it comes to business, even China and India themselves are huge partners. That's how it works.

Whatever country invests in Iran or Chabahar, they will make profits respective to to amount of their investment, be it India or China. We offer the opportunities, countries that are interested take it. I don't see why China and India can't both invest in the area, they would be helping each other actually, since the area would develop much faster.

 

[Shamain]

"Iran slaps India" ? Dafuq ?

no thanks .

this is just an investment opportunity which thankfully indians of this forum didn't go all retard about it . Co-investment of a big project , that it . no need to go all crazy about it

@Serpentine @Daneshmand have you guys seen this thread ? lol

No need to flatter urself and consider urself center of universe just because some ppl gave u attention in this thread.. There is no huge deal in wat has happened ...and that was meant to happen sooner or later as the sanctions go..but the aim for indians developing chahbahar wasnt limited only to business ....she had also menat to grow her regional hegemony thru it. Tho India and china are business partners, (not some huge trade partners as such).... but Chahbahar port is an altogether different thing....and anyone denying it will be purposefully acting ignorant.
Its not that iran's invitation to China wil strain Iranian and Indian ties...but definitely it doesnt bode well for india.

you need to Geography classes once more, although geography of this region has not changed but you might have forgotten your lessons.

Seriously the guy didnt even think for a second before destroying entire geography.

 

[bolo]

i like the way you Black little midgates cheer for Commies
but you know what ? you should save your country first
India working to make Bangladesh a desert
still you midgate chinks worship a born hindu

@waz @Hu Songshan
He need to be banned for racist remarks.

 

[Asian.Century]

Very interesting geo-political move by Iron Brother Chinese and Iranians....This has left Indians in limbo.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

3.....2.......1......

Let the butt Hurt Begins....

Oh my God. The insanity know no boundaries You guys have got everything invested in Gwadar, and Chinese investments in Chahabar is the last thing u want... Cant control my laughs seeing u guys freaking out.
The main intention of Chabahar is to have India access to CA countries and Afghanistan. If the Chinese wants to do it for us, bypassing Gwadar, they are mightily welcome

 

[Kompromat]

Gwadar - Chahbahar twin will screw India

 

[Luca1]

In the mean time, a

Read the bold part: The exact scope of China's planned investment in Chabahar is not known yet.

And it will not be known till India and Iran agree to it.... stop these premature e......s

Why would anything in Iran need India permission? Is India Irans colonial master now?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Chamta mar diya Iran ne India ko