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Iran wants China in Chabahar development

I never expected that pathological Indophobia and Sinophilia would corrupt someone judgement to this extant. :woot:

Are Pakistanis memebers here sarcastic of truly unable to comprehend the fact, If anything this Chinese move provides blessing to India connecting to Afghanistan and CARs which Pakistan has desperately attempted to hinder. :D

Unless magically Chinese can dictate to Iranians, which nations can to have access to Chah Bahar port.

So big Thank you China :china:
These Einsteins conveniently forgot that it is improbable for Iran to ignore either of the gigantic economies of this world, for the capacity of the both to invest in various sectors and for being a consumer market of billions for Iranian products. This is why India had been offered to build a railway network to connect Chah bahar to the International North South transport corridor, a project that India signed not today but 13 years ago. There are immense scope in the fertilizer sector, India being a primarily agriculture based economy. But who cares for those facts? At least not the trolls in this forum; the term 'money talks' does not work on them well :lol:
 
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These Einsteins conveniently forgot that it is improbable for Iran to ignore either of the gigantic economies of this world, for the capacity of the both to invest in various sectors and for being a consumer market of billions for Iranian products. This is why India had been offered to build a railway network to connect Chah bahar to the International North South transport corridor, a project that India signed not today but 13 years ago. There are immense scope in the fertilizer sector, India being a primarily agriculture based economy. But who cares for those facts? At least not the trolls in this forum; the term 'money talks' does not work on them well

On the brighter side Indians and Iranians will be spared from Pakistani paranoia threads on Chah bahar like these :)

Indian investments in Iran and what it means for us?
 
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Why wouldn't China be involved in it? It is an Irani port and not an Indian port. Iran only cares about Iran's interests and not India's interests. And they want to have a good relationship with China, so of course they will invite them to take part in the port.

Besides, People in Chabahar port eat beef, which is a big no no for modi govt.
 
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Why wouldn't China be involved in it? It is an Irani port and not an Indian port. Iran only cares about Iran's interests and not India's interests. And they want to have a good relationship with China, so of course they will invite them to take part in the port.
And to avoid the famous chaos.
 
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I think Chabahar offers unique opportunity for China, India & Pakistan corporation, especially since it's on foreign soil (Iran). Take it as a sort of test project. If it's successful, I believe it will open more doors despite our differences. Iran can play mediator & benefit from multi investment portfolio. It can be a win-win-win-win for all.
 
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Does this mean Gawadar port is basically useless, and is considered non workable? :lol: Perhaps the baluchi freedom fighters are proving to be too troublesome for the security forces? Hmm :D

Iran sees Gawader as a gateway of cross border trade in Baluchistan which will also help put down restive Baluch in the Sistan province of Iran...

It needs only a Grade III feather brain to assume that India expects Iranians to exclude the Chinese from Chah Bahar. Iran will do whatever is good for their national interest and India would follow the same i.e a cheaper trade route to Central Asia and Europe. But who cares!! For professional trolls everything is black and white.

It not about trolling ..it is about trumpeting.....
 
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This was quite the logical outcome and it was bound to happen. Why restrict the scope of a port when it has the potential to become the regional hub by connecting it to CPEC, Southasia and Central Asia etc. I bet Russia would be the next...
Only a delusional, Narcissist will not see this coming
 
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Gawdar has an advantage which no other Persian Gulf port enjoys.
It is the only port which is neither affected by sanctions nor war in middle east.
And this advantage will be hard to dissolve.


How will a US sanction affect an Iranian Port and for countries like India /China which will do business with Central Asian states through it?

Is Iranian Port region more volatile than Gwadar region?
 
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Iran wants China in Chabahar development
Thu Oct 8, 2015 9:27AM

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Iran says it welcomes China’s investments in the development of Chabahar port in Sistant-and-Baluchestan province.

Iran says it welcomes China’s investments in the development of Chabahar port in its southeastern Sistant-and-Baluchestan province.

Sistant-and-Baluchestan Governor General Ali Oset-Hashemi has emphasized that the Chinese enterprises can participate in a series of projects in Chabahar including the development of its rail network as well as the key petrochemical and steel projects.

“Iran stands ready to provide lucrative business opportunities to the countries that stood by it during hard times,” Oset-Hashemi told a Chinese business delegation that was visiting Chabahar to inspect its investment potentials.

“We will be glad to work with China to make our relations solid and strong,” IRNA quoted the official as saying.

Oset-Hashemi further emphasized that he will meet the ambassadors of China and Pakistan in Tehran within the next few days to discuss the potentials for investments of the two countries in Chabahar.

The exact scope of China's planned investment in Chabahar is not known yet. However, the port is largely planned to be developed through a much-awaited investment by India. It is in fact central to India's efforts to circumvent arch-rival Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan where it has developed close security ties and economic interests. The port can also serve as a gateway to the resource-rich countries of Central Asia.

India’s media reported earlier that New Delhi will take a decision on Iran's latest offer in October after obtaining reports from other ministries including petroleum, chemical and fertilizer, and steel.

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China is experienced in port design, construction as well as operation.
  • By now Shanghai is #1 busiest port in the world, and 7 out of top 10 busiest ports are in China.
  • In 2013, Chinese ports handled close to 200,000,000 TEU of container traffic, almost doubles that of US-Korea-Japan-Germany-combined.
  • Shanghai Zhenhua Port Machinery Corp (ZPMC) is the world's dominant port tech/machinery provider, supplying 78% of global demand on cranes/equipments. ZPMC has signed contract to build the 1st Fully Automated Port in Qingdao (青岛). Other than Chinese ports, propects for this Sustainable Integrated Next Generation Advanced (SINGA) Port concept include Busan (SK), Dubai, Singapore and hopefully Colombo.
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It would be excellent partnership for Iran to work with ZPMC, COSCO, AIIB or any Chinese Sovereign Welfare Fund specialized in infrastructure investment.
 
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I never expected that pathological Indophobia and Sinophilia would corrupt someone judgement to this extant. :woot:

Are Pakistanis memebers here sarcastic of truly unable to comprehend the fact, If anything this Chinese move provides blessing to India connecting to Afghanistan and CARs which Pakistan has desperately attempted to hinder. :D

Unless magically Chinese can dictate to Iranians, which nations can to have access to Chah Bahar port.

So big Thank you China :china:

To sell your self comforting story you are putting a blind eye to the fact that the news states Chinese delegation will next meet Irani & Pakistani ambassadors in Tehran which reflects the close proximity these three states are enjoying as compared to recent past .

What most people here on PDF are unable to see is the fact that Pakistan did not interfere in Yemen despite consistent requests on sound principle that its her internal matter and Saudis themselves along with Gulf allies can deal with minor things like Houthis but if it ever comes to Saudi sovereignty we will be there without even an invite on the other hand Pakistan wants to have a balanced relationship with Iran and first time in history Iranis and Pakistanis are on the same page owing to REALPOLITIK and courtesy of friends like China and Russia .

People have just recently started to hear about Pak Russia relations getting warmed but things were in the making for past one decade now the visible sharp steady rise in diplomatic and military exchange has let analysts admit that to maintain peace and progress in whole central and south asia we need to get Afghanistan functioning in her own independent sovereign way and one of the reason for Afghans current demise is due to their geography which kept world powers muscle working to gain hold of vast minerals and strategic locations but in reality as historians will later write others interests were preferred over Afghans resulting in a highly volatile and fabricated society full of illiterates but simple, hospitable and culturally very rich people making it easy to brainwash them and be used.

All Pak , Iran , China and Russia are the stake holders in this and is a very big market in itself if we add afghanistan and other states all the way from Caspain sea to China and from Afghanistan to Russia and there are only two ports Gwadar and chabahar the former one having the strategic advantage of free of any bottleneck while the later is just at the mouth of one of the worlds most sensitive choke point Strait of Hormuz just a few kilometer wide between UAE , Oman and Iran and among those few kilometer the navigable part at places get to less than 1000 meters leaving little space for Merchant vessels manoeuvering in those waters .

The point here is even though both the Ports will be built Gwadar will be the main secured connection where even Iran herself is willing to invest heavily

Iran plans to build oil refinery in Pakistan | Washington Examiner

So all this trolling about Pakistani and Irani ports having some sort of ugly competition are self pleasing antics much away from reality which is both Pakistan and Iran wants to progress along with their other strategic allies like China and Russia.

Russian attacks on Syria and active Iranian and vocal Chinese support shows the changing balance of power and after Syria and Iraq stability should come in Afghanistan and that can only come when neighbors Pakistan , Iran ,Russia and friends with benefits like China sit on the table as all eyes on Afghanistan can see India along with her new buddies across atlantic have created only nuisance and mess in Afghanistan its in their interests to sell weapons and hatred to keep their forced influence while its in the interest of all the above mentioned states if all sorts of militancy whether on name of religion(the most easy to cultivate these days) or local interests is eliminated and people are educated and given other activities in life instead of holding a gun in their hand all life.

India's boasting of non aligned and successful foreign policy for decades is not totally wrong as she did deal with Iran , KSA , Israel simultaneously paying them money to either buy oil or weapons but in the process she has been established as a Country with no principles and is just a trade partner that is good as long as its beneficial. Recent refusal of KSA to deny india any mutual defence deal thus making clear she will not allow her land to be used against Pakistan and same will be the answer of Iran if ever opportunity arises but Israel would not only allow any such collaboration but in fact is already doing so and is the biggest exporter of smart weapons including high tech espionage devices and training so in the coming future the rise of Israel India rise is evident which will for sure irritate Post sanctions Powerful Iran with peaceful Iraq and Syria would be having an economy much bigger and stronger than India and would treat india accordingly there will be no more Cheap oil for India .

So its not an impulsive decision to let China develop Chabahar it is well planned and worked out strategy and Russia will be equally involved in both Iran and Pakistan and other Central asian states if there is not need to build gwadar when Chabahar is operational I think Russia would not invest in Pakistan relevant infrastructure

Russia to invest $2 bn to build pipeline in Pakistan


I am sure In Sha Allah both ports will be matured and run at the their optimum output serving billions bringing peace and prosperity and education among masses and if India wants to do some trade with any connected country I think Iran , China or even Pakistan would not have any objection on that though Pakistan most likely wont let India use Gwadar except for some few Iranian refined oil export shipments but India can use Chabahar to do trade with anyone.

But that wet dream of majority of Indians that they will get a port for themselves where from they will rule Afghanistan and what not keeping militancy in Pakistan and Afghanistan as their tool of influence is shattered as Iran understands fully well how much important a peaceful afghanistan is to the prosperity of whole region and its Pakistan successful back channel diplomacy that is bridging the gap between Chinese and Iranians .

In fact the distance between both ports is very less as well giving an excellent opportunity for a twin ports project with industries in between them. Irani and Pakistani approach on this is and should be to work together and build and not let any self interests of power seekers to divert us from aim of regional stability and mutual progress and helping masses.

So if we look at it casually its good for India if Chabahar gets functional but she would use it only as a customer state for trade purpose only nothing else in fact it will bring in check Indian activities via Iran and the expected Afghan regime change in near future would most probably see indian agents from Kabul flying back to Delhi as now everybody can see US-India Nexus is pure trouble for any one who actually wants peace and prosperity in Asia.
 
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