Iran versus Azerbaijan - which one is stronger?

[Arian]

I know geography of the region, perhaps better than you.
I also know Iran can annex. this part but... can you hold it ? and how long ?
If you try to takeover Nakhchivan, than it would be a strategic suicide and Godforbid… If war broke, than it will not be limited to Nakhchivan and if Armenia jump in, it stands to loose everything.

Due to heavy snow in winter, Iranian pilots will not find any base to land fly…. as far as Tabriz and even beyond.
This is why, I said Iran cannot launch offensive in winter, your own troops would be isolated in winter snow and will be left without air cover your logistics will come to halt when the region hit -20 or -30.
Imagine one missile is required to break the bridge of ‘namak daryia’ and Iran itself risk to loose territory beyond the ‘darya’

Otherwise, I have noticed, whenever Turkey ran into diplomatic tensions with Israel, Iran came forward with its own mischief.

Yes. we can hold it. Why? because Azerbaijan can't take it back.
Armenia doesn't need to jump in, the only thing it needs to do is say that it remains neutral and it doesn't let Azerbaijani forces to use its air space or territory to fight Iran. And it does have the right to say so. Doesn't it?

We have borders with Nakhchivan. Iranian pilots won't need to patrol the area 24/7. Iranian soldiers will be settled there and we'll have heavy presence in there with our ground forces.moreover, we can shell the place anytime we want from our borders. Can't we? So we don't lack the logistics.

Whatever you say about Iran's operations in winter can be said about Azerbaijan too when it wants to take back Nakhchivan from us.

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Yeah you are right,Erdogan is messin but not Turkey.I still believe and expect that our ties will get better with Israel.

I hope your ties get better. I have nothing against Turkey.

Jokes aside, if you ever make Turkey really really angry, at one point it will go crazy and come and crush you and your friends. But if you make it angry. Azerbaijan is our little brother! hope u understand.

Have you heard about those angry Iranians in the last years of Iraq-Iran war? We can be crazy too if we become really angry.

 

[RazPaK]

If turkey and iran put their historic differences aside there would be a great power in Eurasia. Unfortunately everyone in the region is an opportunist.

Turkey and Azerbaijan ally themselves with Israel, while Iran allies itself to Armenia,While Israel and Armenia are allied.

Iran and Turkey both have ego problems.

 

[LeGenD]

Israeli tourists are decreasing but just for temp..We are still the most popular destination for them.
Erdogan is not Turkey.We and Israelis still closer than any arab nation or Iran.We ll fix the the problems between us and Israelis..

Brother, your nation should not flex its muscles against other Islamic nations. Don't you understand? USA already has destroyed several Islamic nations. The last thing we want is remaining Islamic nations at each other throats. It will only serve the interests of the WEST.

Think about it. Even though Turkey is a very notable regional power but Iran is also a big regional player. You cannot just walk over it, even if you do not agree with its policies.

Arian is right. Turkey is not USA. And neither it should pretend to be like it.

 

[ASQ-1918]

According to the Treaty of Kars signed between Turkey, Soviet Georgia, Soviet Armenia and Soviet Azerbaijan in 1921, Nakhchivan is under Turkish protection as it has no land connection to Azerbaijan proper.

 

[Veni]

Jokes aside, if you ever make Turkey really really angry, at one point it will go crazy and come and crush you and your friends. But if you make it angry. Azerbaijan is our little brother! hope u understand.

Bro,Azerbaijan is our brother nation and we ll do eveythng for them.We are not offensive nation but u know if they really test our patience and you know what ll happen
BTW they are enough clever not to mess with us.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Surely Iran has much bigger military and equipment when it comes to quantity, but Iran cannot wage any war on Azerbaijan while it has more than 20 million ethnic Azeris inside its borders.

 

[RazPaK]

Pkk is sponsored by both Israel and Armenia, which are both countries allies. Pkk is also a problem for both nations. You do the math.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Also many people are "ignorant" in this matter, but I m not really going to post pics.

THey surely have no idea on Azerbaijan's developement of its armed forces, they think Azerbaijan is a country like Tadjikistan.

 

[Arian]

According to the Treaty of Kars signed between Turkey, Soviet Georgia, Soviet Armenia and Soviet Azerbaijan in 1921, Nakhchivan is under Turkish protection as it has no land connection to Azerbaijan proper.

The Treaty of Kars specified the partition of Armenia and the region of Nakhchivan (a territory comprising the Nakhchivan and Sharur part of Sharur-Daralagez uyezds of former Yerevan Governorate of Armenia, Russian Empire) as an autonomous territory under the protection of Azerbaijan. In 1924, Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was formed on this territory as an exclave subordinate to Azerbaijan SSR, and sharing a 15-km boundary with now Turkish district of Surmalu.[1]
Treaty of Kars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ANN/Groong -- Treaty of Berlin - 07/13/1878

Also this treaty is not so valid now because there have been some geographical changes since this treaty.

 

[RazPaK]

Let's go back into history during world war I. Azerbaijan was a part of Iran. Or rather Persia.

 

[IranZamin]

Let's go back into history during world war I. Azerbaijan was a part of Iran. Or rather Persia.

The damn Brits stole nearly 1/3 of Iran

 

[ASQ-1918]

Let's go back into history during world war I. Azerbaijan was a part of Iran. Or rather Persia.

Azerbaijan was part of the Russian empire during world war 1, after the war ended and Russian empire collapsed, Azerbaijan declared its independence and from 1918 to 1920 it was a independent country untill Bolshevik invasion.

Azerbaijan Democratic Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please, study better next time.

 

[Arian]

Azerbaijan was part of the Russian empire during world war 1, after the war ended and Russian empire collapsed, Azerbaijan declared its independence and from 1918 to 1920 it was a independent country untill Bolshevik invasion.

Azerbaijan Democratic Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please, study better next time.

So, Azerbaijan was never a part of Iran before the Torkemanchai treaty? Is that what they teach you in your history books in republic of Azerbaijan? !

 

[ASQ-1918]

So, Azerbaijan was never a part of Iran before the Torkemanchai treaty? Is that what they teach you in your history books in republic of Azerbaijan? !

First of all, he was talking about world war 1.

In fact, I would advice you to learn the real history. Have you heard of Khanates of Azerbaijan? Altough de-jure it was part of the Qajars, the Khanates were de-facto independent, and fought with Qajars. Russians basically occupied northern Khanates to north of Araz river, and Qajars occupied the southern Khanates to south of Araz river. The treaties was to clearify that borderline. In fact, if anything, Qajars gained territority, because Khanates were certainly unhappy with Qajar rule. Russians wanted to make the Araz river the borderline for strategic reasons, so they were ok with Qajars annexing those southern Khanates.

Also, Qajars themselves in fact were ethnic Azeris. Qajar is one of the tribes of Azeri Turks. Before Qajars, Safavids that ruled Iran were also of Azeri origin. And before that, Kara-Koyunlu and Ak-Koyunlu Turkomans of Azerbaijan ruled Iran.

 

[BATMAN]

Yes. we can hold it. Why? because Azerbaijan can't take it back.
Armenia doesn't need to jump in, the only thing it needs to do is say that it remains neutral and it doesn't let Azerbaijani forces to use its air space or territory to fight Iran. And it does have the right to say so. Doesn't it?

We have borders with Nakhchivan. Iranian pilots won't need to patrol the area 24/7. Iranian soldiers will be settled there and we'll have heavy presence in there with our ground forces.moreover, we can shell the place anytime we want from our borders. Can't we? So we don't lack the logistics.

Whatever you say about Iran's operations in winter can be said about Azerbaijan too when it wants to take back Nakhchivan from us..

Yes, you can shell but not any time and Azerbaijan can shall you back also.

I'm sure you have no idea how difficult it is to actively run a war in sub zero conditions, specially when you are blind with heavy snow in dark.
In second world war Germans lost to Russinas only because of cold and snow.

Why don't you understand your border with Nakhchivan is limited and in winter every thing is freezing and when snow falls visibility is close to zero.

You can forget about your forward airbases for all winter and your troops do need air-support or you loose advantage of it, and why would Azeris care about Armenian airspace when it is widely believed that they are partners with Iran. You have no choice but to use Armenian land in any condition. Otherwise, your army will be on sucide path.

Think, why shall Azeris defend Nakchivan, while they can launch counter offensive, some where else and as i said, Iranian territory beyond 'namak daryia' is larger than Nakchivan... so yor troops would be running all over like crazy and this i know.