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Iran to take action if US aircraft carrier returns

Jan 3, 2012

Iran does not have the arsenal to back up its many threats

Iran does not have the arsenal to back up its many threats - The National
The West doesn't even know what Iran really has! It doesn't know whether or not Iran has already taken delivery of S-300 PMU-2 or Yakhont from Russia. If Iran already has S-300 PMU-2, then an air strike from US Navy or US Air Force would be seriously complicated and the USA would suffer heavy casualties. If Iran already has Yakhont, it would be very dangerous to any US warship that tries to approach the Iranian coastline or the Strait of Hormuz.
 
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Screws tighten on Iran as big buyers shun its oil

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran faced the prospect on Thursday of cutbacks in its oil sales to China and Japan as new measures to cut off Tehran's crude exports appeared to be driving its economy to the wall.

The developments in Asia follow news on Wednesday that EU leaders had agreed to halt European purchases of Iranian crude.

China, Iran's biggest trade partner, has already cut its purchases of Iranian oil by more than half this month and will extend the cuts to February, a Beijing-based trader who deals with Iranian oil said.

Japan will consider cutbacks in its Iranian oil purchases to secure a waiver from new U.S. sanctions signed into law on New Year's Eve by President Barack Obama, a government source said.

Between them, China, the EU and Japan buy about half of Iran's exports of 2.6 million barrels of oil per day.


International sanctions that for years had little effect are for the first time having a real impact on day-to-day life in Iran, where the rial currency has tumbled and people have rushed to convert savings into dollars.

Most oil traders still expect Iran will be able to find buyers for its crude, but it will have to offer steeper discounts that will cut the hard currency revenue it needs to import food and other basic supplies for its 74 million people.

Iran has put on a brave face. Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said on Thursday Iran would "weather the storm."

"Iran, with divine assistance, has always been ready to counter such hostile actions and we are not concerned at all about the sanctions," he told a news conference.

The economic hardship comes just two months before a parliamentary election, the country's first since a disputed presidential vote in 2009 led to massive public demonstrations across the country.

The authorities put those protests down by force, but since then the Arab Spring has revealed the vulnerability of authoritarian governments in the region to public anger driven by economic hardship.

Iran's leaders have responded to the sanctions with military saber-rattling, including a threat to blockade the Middle East's oil by shutting the Strait of Hormuz that leads to the Gulf, and even challenging a U.S. aircraft carrier if it sails the strait.

Washington says it will sail the strait at will and will guarantee free passage through the international waterway. British Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said any attempt to block the strait "would be illegal and would be unsuccessful."

EUROPEAN EMBARGO

European diplomats said this week they had agreed in principle to impose an EU oil embargo. The bloc - particularly Italy, Spain and Greece - has collectively bought about 500,000 barrels per day of Iran's oil, making it Iran's second biggest customer after China.

EU leaders have yet to agree when the embargo will take effect, but are expected to announce it at a foreign ministers meeting at the end of this month.

China, the largest buyer, which imported about 550,000 bpd of Iran's oil last year, has cut its purchases by more than half for this month and would now extend that cut to February, according to the Beijing-based trader.

China is seeking deeper discounts for continuing to do business with Iran in spite of Western sanctions.


The new U.S. measures, if implemented fully, would make it impossible for most countries' refineries to buy Iranian crude, marking a qualitative change in the West's approach to Tehran, which it accuses of seeking a nuclear weapon.

Iran says its nuclear program is peaceful. That standoff had led to four rounds of economic sanctions from the U.N. security council and a range of U.S. and European measures, but none of these directly hurt its ability to sell oil in the past.

Western resolve appears to have stiffened in recent months, especially after a U.N. report in November suggested Iran had taken concrete steps to develop a bomb. The storming of Britain's embassy by an Iranian crowd galvanized support among European countries for measures with more teeth.

Still, the West needs to balance its determination to isolate Iran with concerns about the impact on a fragile world economy of measures that might hurt oil supplies.

So far, the U.S. and EU sanctions have caused a steady rise in oil prices this week. Brent crude futures were trading at about $114 a barrel on Thursday, up by about $7 a barrel since Obama signed the new sanctions into law.

A Saudi government source said Saudi Arabia - the world's largest oil exporter and a foe of Iran - is ready to fill any supply gaps.

The new U.S. law allows Obama to offer waivers to prevent havoc in oil markets, but to receive the permits countries are expected to demonstrate that they are reducing ties with Tehran.

Washington has said it is discussing with allies how to apply the law gradually to tighten the screws on Tehran without causing an oil supply shock.


A Japanese government source said Tokyo, which buys about 250,000 bpd from Iran, would discuss with U.S. officials how to deal with the new sanctions law. Among options would be cuts in oil purchases to secure a waiver for its financial institutions.

Turkey, a U.S. ally which buys almost a third of its oil from Iran, has said it will also try to seek a waiver from the Obama administration.


NO TRADE IN THE BAZAAR

In Iran's bazaars, prices for basic foodstuffs and other goods have been rising fast in recent months.

Much of that inflation has been caused by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's policy of cutting back on government subsidies for staples that held prices down, a policy that has been praised by the International Monetary Fund.

The government has tried to ease the pain by giving cash payments to families. But the fall in the rial currency has slashed the value of those payments in dollar terms from about $45 a month to $27.

There are signs that some Iranians may blame the authorities for charting a foreign policy course that brought on sanctions.

"They give us some subsidy cash but it doesn't compensate for anything," said Saeed, a 33-year-old Tehran taxi driver, complaining that his imported cigarettes had doubled in price.

"When I ask people why things are becoming more expensive, they all say it's the sanctions."

Clothes merchant Mohammad, 34, said there was "no trade" despite the usual crowds swarming the shops and stalls in the maze of vaulted tunnels.

"We have to make the products more expensive because we have to pay more for dollars. We shopkeepers are putting pressure on people but we have no choice."
 
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Again, there is no need for a nuclear powered carrier and her support ships to transit the straights if a conflict is inevitable. They can stand off in the gulf of Oman, deep blue water, and attack at will.

"We'll launch a missile at the carrier!" - Uh, missiles need targeting data of one type or another. Hitting a moving warship with a ballistic missile is extraordinarily difficult.
Deep in the blue water you are safe from Iran's counter-measures, but staying so far away won't help you open the Strait of Hormuz to shipping, so it remains closed.
 
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China is seeking deeper discounts for continuing to do business with Iran in spite of Western sanctions.
Not credible.

Sounds like Western mis-information propaganda. Chinese state media has never said anything about halving oil imports from Iran. So far, Beijing has only stated it is against destabilization of the Persian Gulf region.
 
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Not credible.

Sounds like Western mis-information propaganda. Chinese state media has never said anything about halving oil imports from Iran. So far, Beijing has only stated it is against destabilization of the Persian Gulf region.

Reuters is very credible. China's interests are in China, the ruling leadership has never said anything about backing up Iran, and they have no reason to. They buy oil from Iran, the ties are no deeper.

They'll try to get oil for cut rate prices while looking around for other suppliers to fill in the gap should the worst happen to Iran.

Of course the state media wouldn't mention it, that would be a terrible pr move, but China has no reason to run afoul of the US for Iran when other suppliers are available, they aren't in such a cushy position yet.
 
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I wouldn't worry about a conventional ballistic missile being used as anti-ship because it would be mistaken for a nuclear attack. The U.S. looked at the idea and it would be really bad of course. Even Donald Rumsfeld shot that idea down.
So the US would mistake an Iranian ballistic missile used as anti-ship for a nuclear attack.... hmm..... something wrong with the logic here.

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Reuters is very credible. China's interests are in China, the ruling leadership has never said anything about backing up Iran, and they have no reason to. They buy oil from Iran, the ties are no deeper.

They'll try to get oil for cut rate prices while looking around for other suppliers to fill in the gap should the worst happen to Iran.

Of course the state media wouldn't mention it, that would be a terrible pr move, but China has no reason to run afoul of the US for Iran when other suppliers are available, they aren't in such a cushy position yet.
china's problem is not just oil.if you hit us ,we alone; and we lost the battle(i doubt that)its means US gonna be world police for another century and china wont tolerate such thing and Russia gonna be the next country that goes down after iran(10 or 20 years later,if Putin elected again)and after that china.in this 20 years US gonna work on india china war.so its a chain reaction its better for all those countries to help iran incase if war to break that chain .
 
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Reuters is very credible.
Its just another disinformation tool for the West against its "enemies". There were countless articles on Reuters which were lies/spins/propaganda, same as CNN, and any other West mass media.

China's interests are in China, the ruling leadership has never said anything about backing up Iran, and they have no reason to. They buy oil from Iran, the ties are no deeper.
You are partially right, China cares about its interests foremost, however preventing Iran becoming another West puppet is a part of its interest. Thats why China denied additional sanctions, supplies advanced weapons and its tech, etc.

There was a recent threat by Chinese general they would protect Iran even if it means WW3. I personally doubt that, but Iran would get a lot of support under the table if war happens. China achieves its goals - helps Iran, harms West/EU, and even though higher oil prices would harm its economy short term, think what happens after the war with broke or near-broke US/EU - they would come to China begging for cash, and China would again use it to its advantage.
 
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china's problem is not just oil.if you hit us ,we alone; and we lost the battle(i doubt that)its means US gonna be world police for another century and china wont tolerate such thing and Russia gonna be the next country that goes down after iran(10 or 20 years later,if Putin elected again)and after that china.in this 20 years US gonna work on india china war.so its a chain reaction its better for all those countries to help iran incase if war to break that chain .

I don’t think this war chain will go beyond Iran, it will end here. I don’t think Iran can be attacked and won by US :no:

Iran has to deal with the sanctions and if they will go into diplomatic wars, which may even continue for years. and then Iran may prefer to handle the sanctions on Iran to its current level, if they won’t face anymore. lets see

I would now like to comment when either Iran will face new sanctions and then they would respond, or, they face any straight confrontation with US, which is less likely if we have a look on the way US is trying to engage China/ Russia, as they are simply not in the position for any new war right now, especially with Iran :no:

till then I don't find any interest in this topic :coffee:
 
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Disagree on NK.

OK.

Iran does not have nukes - we haven't attacked.

That's because troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are hostage.

Venezuela doesn't have nukes, we haven't attacked. Cuba has been cut loose by the USSR since 1991, no nukes, we haven't attacked.

Cost/benefit analysis. None of these countries have done anything serious enough to merit an attack. And US reputation in South America is already the pits due to ruthless commercial exploitation. We all know where the term 'banana republic' came from.
 
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china's problem is not just oil.if you hit us ,we alone; and we lost the battle(i doubt that)its means US gonna be world police for another century and china wont tolerate such thing and Russia gonna be the next country that goes down after iran(10 or 20 years later,if Putin elected again)and after that china.in this 20 years US gonna work on india china war.so its a chain reaction its better for all those countries to help iran incase if war to break that chain .

How does this change things in the rest of the world if Iran wins the battle? Remember the US for all intents and purposes lost South Vietnam to North Vietnam, that didn't change the greater affairs of things. Come to think of it, winning that war was predicated on the same domino effect idea that you give, that if Iran falls next will be Russia, then China. The thing is I don't see the Chinese or Russians saying this.
 
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Iran have the guts to act against US, but they don't have the technology to act against the mighty US carrier.
They are already having BMD system(STANDARD Missiles) in their warships to defend them.

Their warships themselves are about to fall apart because they're so old. :police:
 
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The warships are only useful to fight Somali pirates. However, thousands of underwater mines, hundreds/thousands of anti ship missiles, and ballistic anti ship missiles, in the lake called Persian Gulf, will wreak havoc on any invading navy. Most of the anti-ship missiles are mobile and hidden, hence can't be taken out that easily.

I hope there is no war ... both sides will lose. But hell, if there is one, the invaders will pay big time. Perhaps their only resort will be nukes to win back the war. Yes, USA has used nukes against Japanese, and if they loose big time, they might use them again. Hope not.
Their warships themselves are about to fall apart because they're so old. :police:
 
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