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Iran to Send White House Toy Model of Captured CIA Drone

Third party confirmation, as in how al-Qaeda pretty much confirmed it. :lol: After all, since they cannot see and hear Osama after a while...

So how about letting third parties inspect the captured drone?

thats a pretty lame reply, u believe what al qaeda said? i thought they were terrorists and usa doesn't trust terrorists, and as far as i know al qaeda said nothing about osama's fake death.
 
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Which is what and by whom?


And can we say those two fools in that dog-and-pony show video looks like fools? Looky here...Calling people names is not going to get your argument anywhere. We do not even want it back. Just let third parties inspect and do not censor their reports. What is there for Iran to be afraid of?

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Then why cover up the underside in that video? Just show us the landing gear's manufacturer tag. Is that too much to ask?

well thats my point


why did Pentagon make a huge fuss over it and why did officials make admissions in front of the media --if it werent such a big deal and the thing which Iranians televised was indeed fake?

it just doesnt add up, gambit
 
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Only an idiot can say such thing,calling a whole nation evil,means it's your soul which is actually turned to evil.

خدایا اس سادگی پہ کون نہ قربان جائے!

کیوں بجا فرمایا نہ ابو ذولفقار بھیٌا؟
 
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well thats my point


why did Pentagon make a huge fuss over it and why did officials make admissions in front of the media --if it werent such a big deal and the thing which Iranians televised was indeed fake?

it just doesnt add up, gambit
What 'admissions' are those? That we lost a drone? So what? Look at the video. See if you can mentally isolate it from all the commentators for now. Based upon that video alone, what make you think there are any credible evidences to say that what is in the video is indeed the one we lost? Do you believe that every aircraft crash have the same mode? If not, then what if Iran have the drone but it is in pieces? Then how do you reconcile that possibility with the video? Absent a physical inspection that is common knowledge to all mishap investigators, even a layman must have doubts as to whether the thing in the video is the true drone or not. This is critical thinking that you do not need a US President to compel you to perform.
 
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Well i didn't see any sarcasm in that,but if you really didn't mean that,accept my apology

you really think I will label 80 million fellow Muslims (from neighbour country) as "evil" ?


it was sarcasm in pure powder form, dadash.


Apology accepted. :thank_you2:
 
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What 'admissions' are those? That we lost a drone? So what? Look at the video.

So in the same sentence, you have jumped from questioning the Secretary of State of United States, to questioning whether a 'Drone' was lost, to finally accepting the reality by saying 'So what? Look at the video.' I don't think you see a problem with whatever you are referring to as critical analysis of the situation. Surely when the Secretary of State says, "We submitted a formal request for the return of our lost equipment." She is not formally requesting Iran to return a screwdriver. That's the relevance theory for you, its major part of critical analysis.


See if you can mentally isolate it from all the commentators for now.
That includes you. You see how generalization works?


Based upon that video alone, what make you think there are any credible evidences to say that what is in the video is indeed the one we lost?
So here you are asking not if a drone was lost but 'which' type of drone was lost. That's completely opposite from your previous position where you were questioning whether a drone was lost. Since you embraced reality here, let me introduce you to the concept of informed opinion for which you don't need direct evidence, you need credible circumstantial evidence, which there is plenty. To begin with, RQ-170 is called 'Beast of Kandahar', not Tokyo, and Kandahar is barely 250 miles away from Iranian borders. We know RQ-170 matches the current US-Iranian atmosphere as it is designed for intelligence gathering and does not carry any weapons. We also know that the drone Iranians showcased is of the right shape for RQ-170. As is obvious from this 2009 picture.
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This is overwhelming evidence that RQ-170 is indeed in possession of Iran and I am not even mentioning all political hula-hoops American media is making which further strengthens this argument.

Above all and the most important question you never ask or answer is what is your argument against RQ-170? That is where your "analysis" turns into bad worded-propaganda.


Do you believe that every aircraft crash have the same mode?
So now you are asking for an opinion here not an analysis. Hence anything Abu Zolfiqar says is correct.


If not, then what if Iran have the drone but it is in pieces?
So now you have accepted that Iran is indeed possession of a drone and the question here is whether its in pieces or not. Well that really doesn't matter because Iran is possession of RQ-170 and they are reverse-engineering it as we speak, whether its in pieces or not.

Then how do you reconcile that possibility with the video?
Ahh so now you want to analyze the video under the strict thought that the drone is broken into piece? Again, where is your evidence for that? Do you have any pictures of it?


Absent a physical inspection that is common knowledge to all mishap investigators, even a layman must have doubts as to whether the thing in the video is the true drone or not.
But a layman shouldn't because when Secretary of State is making a formal request to Iran, which US has no diplomatic relations with, to give back its lost equipment, we can be sure she is not asking for a screwdriver. Because its too important a thing she wants back to make a formal request to an adversary.

Truth is, Obama Administration made a blunder. Plain and simple. They hoped for Iran to respond positively to reduce tensions and perhaps make a gesture of 'improving ties' with United States. That was a miscalculation.


This is critical thinking that you do not need a US President to compel you to perform.
I didn't see any critical thinking from your side, gambit. I only see conformation bias.
 
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Your reasoning skills are absolutely pathetic.

Watch...

So in the same sentence, you have jumped from questioning the Secretary of State of United States, to questioning whether a 'Drone' was lost, to finally accepting the reality by saying 'So what? Look at the video.' I don't think you see a problem with whatever you are referring to as critical analysis of the situation. Surely when the Secretary of State says, "We submitted a formal request for the return of our lost equipment." She is not formally requesting Iran to return a screwdriver. That's the relevance theory for you, its major part of critical analysis.
Let us take a look at what we said...

Obama calls on Iran to give back downed US drone - Boston.com
"We submitted a formal request for the return of our lost equipment as we would in any situation to any government around the world," Clinton told reporters at a State Department news conference with British Foreign Secretary William Hague.
Are you telling me that we cannot request for a return of the drone UNLESS there is a video of it? :lol:

We know where we flew it. We knew where it was lost. So if we ask for its return, that does not mean the thing IN THE VIDEO is the one that was lost...!!! This is elementary logic. It mean all Iran has to do is say: 'We have the lost drone.' And leave it at that. So since we know we lost a drone, we would have have asked for its return ANYWAY, video or not.

Damn...Is that so hard to grasp? :lol:

So the question that apparently have been beyond your comprehension is: 'What is that thing in the video?'

Just because it look like our drone, that does not mean it is the one that we lost. Is that line of logic too difficult for you? Which is why I bring up aircraft crashes. Try to understand this: NOT ALL AIRCRAFT CRASHES THE SAME WAY. That should be obvious enough for you to understand, right? We are not talking about automobile crashes and they generally occurs in two dimensions and even these events differs greatly from each other, but here we are talking about a crash that involve the third dimension and you have no problem accepting at face value what a video shows. But if the drone did not crash but landed as normal as some believe, then why covering up the underside with banners? The video made no sense.

So here you are asking not if a drone was lost but 'which' type of drone was lost. That's completely opposite from your previous position where you were questioning whether a drone was lost. Since you embraced reality here, let me introduce you to the concept of informed opinion for which you don't need direct evidence, you need credible circumstantial evidence, which there is plenty. To begin with, RQ-170 is called 'Beast of Kandahar', not Tokyo, and Kandahar is barely 250 miles away from Iranian borders. We know RQ-170 matches the current US-Iranian atmosphere as it is designed for intelligence gathering and does not carry any weapons. We also know that the drone Iranians showcased is of the right shape for RQ-170. As is obvious from this 2009 picture.
Which type? Kid, you are way out of your play sandbox.

What you are saying is properly called 'model' or 'version'. Not 'type' or 'category'. The 'type' would be manned or unmanned, prop or jet powered, supersonic or subsonic, transport or fighter, cruiser or battleship, man or woman or child, firefighter or policeman or soldier, and so on...A 'type' imply significant structural and/or functionality differences.

The RQ-170 is a 'model' of the 'type' of aircraft that is unmanned that is called 'drone' because of its high autonomy. A 'drone' can be controlled or left to its own devices. The more sophisticated the drone, the less the need for external control. So the RQ-170 is a 'model' of a 'drone'.

So when I said this: 'Based upon that video alone, what make you think there are any credible evidences to say that what is in the video is indeed the one we lost?' I was asking if the RQ-170 that we lost is the exact one in the video. Not the 'type'. :lol: I never denied that we lost an RQ-170. Am asking that if the one in the video is it. And you foolishly talked about 'type'.

I see no need to continue this 'discussion' with someone of your level of intellect and understanding, especially when he cannot even recognize when he is THAT deficient in critical thinking skills. Enjoy posting your responses in brightly colorful manners because that is all you are capable of.
 
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Are you telling me that we cannot request for a return of the drone UNLESS there is a video of it?
Are you using your reading glasses? Point out where I said this.


We know where we flew it. We knew where it was lost. So if we ask for its return, that does not mean the thing IN THE VIDEO is the one that was lost...!!! This is elementary logic.

Allow me to school you in elementary logic, gambit.

You lost a drone, they found your drone, and you are asking for your drone back. Now unless you lost two drones at the same time at the same location, its the same drone. You see that's elementary logic.


It mean all Iran has to do is say: 'We have the lost drone.' And leave it at that. So since we know we lost a drone, we would have have asked for its return ANYWAY, video or not.

Damn...Is that so hard to grasp?

That would be true if, United States announced to have lost a drone before Iranians claimed to have found one. That didn't happen.

Only after Iranians claimed to have downed your drone, was United States forced to acknowledge a lost drone, and consequently asked for it back. You see how I schooled you in elementary logic again?


Just because it look like our drone, that does not mean it is the one that we lost. Is that line of logic too difficult for you?
Because there is no logic in this line, all I see is denials.


But if the drone did not crash but landed as normal as some believe, then why covering up the underside with banners? The video made no sense.[/b]
Because Iranians love presentation.


Which type? Kid, you are way out of your play sandbox.

What you are saying is properly called 'model' or 'version'. Not 'type' or 'category'. The 'type' would be manned or unmanned, prop or jet powered, supersonic or subsonic, transport or fighter, cruiser or battleship, man or woman or child, firefighter or policeman or soldier, and so on...A 'type' imply significant structural and/or functionality differences.

The RQ-170 is a 'model' of the 'type' of aircraft that is unmanned that is called 'drone' because of its high autonomy. A 'drone' can be controlled or left to its own devices. The more sophisticated the drone, the less the need for external control. So the RQ-170 is a 'model' of a 'drone'.

So when I said this: 'Based upon that video alone, what make you think there are any credible evidences to say that what is in the video is indeed the one we lost?' I was asking if the RQ-170 that we lost is the exact one in the video. Not the 'type'.
Kids, this is how a lack of argument coupled with frustration looks like.


I see no need to continue this 'discussion' with someone of your level of intellect and understanding, especially when he cannot even recognize when he is THAT deficient in critical thinking skills.
I see my logical thrashings have taken a toll. And you have conveniently shifted your position from

What 'admissions' are those? That we lost a drone?[/B]

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I never denied that we lost an RQ-170. Am asking that if the one in the video is it.

Obviously, a step up from previous denials you have been living in.


Enjoy posting your responses in brightly colorful manners because that is all you are capable of.
No I can post emoticons like you which is obviously far more superior capability. :yahoo:
 
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