Iran sells Turkey domestically-produced drones

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Turkish components of Turkish UAV's.

Having any idea about Who is producing the sub-components Iranian UAV's are hosting ? Can you show me a simple hint about them ? If you can't, How can you judge the capabilities of Turkish subsystems, While you don't have any idea about your own capabilities and subsystem importers ?




Turkish tactical UAV's (Not strategic class) is even able to overcome the specifications of your MALE UAV's. What make you think that Turkey needs to copy an inferior system that will never suit the requirements of Armed Forces ?




Powerfull (170hp) domestic engines for Anka

First of All, there is no evidence that your so called Anka is using these technologies you posted. Posting some a random picture is not evidence dude. Even if these components are real, which I am dubious about, who's to say their technology is not imported? All we know is every few months, it turns out your Anka ends up importing some new foreign components, just recently you guys imported a mission computer. So you can't blame us for being suspicious about your claims on Anka and thinking they're turkish propaganda.

As for your tactical UAV comment. No offence but you'e clueless about what you're talking about. As a think tank this is quite embarrassing. Shahed-129 has a flight duration of 30 hours and can carry 4 sadid class missiles. Your tactical UAV's have 'overcome' this specification? What on are you on?

As for your UAV engine, once again, that is probably a mockup. Let me know when you guys are actually producing an engine and using it inside your UAV's. Until you do that, posting some random pics means nothing.

Lol , Iran stole the engine for its UAV from Germany and reverse engineered it , Turkey can do the same but its you know.........illegal

Lol , it's still better than making Cobra copies and claiming it was made by Iran
anyway even if you compare the two , The FLIR and all other components made by Turkey are still ahead of Iranian ones

not to mention T-129 actually has customers while your Iranian ones don't, you can say sanctions
but no one would buy them either way

as for the Tank , Turkey got tech transfer for the gun and uses MTU engine (which will be replaced by its own)

everything else is made in Turkey from armor to FCS , again a lot more advanced than Iranian ones
so what exactly did Turkey copy? , all Western tanks pretty much use German guns

There is big difference between between reverse engineering and simply being given the technology i.e technology import. But you're too deluded to understand that. In alot of cases, designing a new system is less difficult than reverse engineering. The reason why a country may reverse engineer, is because once you have a product from another nation, you know it works so once you R/E it, then you know your imitation of it has a good chance of actually working and entering production. However, when you try and design a system from scratch, you don't know if the product you make will end up working and it may be a failed project, and you basically wasted alot of time. And Iran was under constant threat of attack so it did not have the luxary of wasting times and projects. For example, only a fool would think copying a Kh-55 cruise missile is simple, it is even more difficult than designing a new such missiles, as stated below the missile expert Uzi Rubin:

So the different between Iran and Turkey is simple. Turkey imports the technology, whilst Iran has to reverse engineer it. But I don't expect a fanboy like you to understand that.

Futhermore, your comment about Cobra makes no sense. Of course Iranian cobras are made by Iran, who else made them? Turks? There is difference between Iran claiming it designed the Cobra (which it has never done) and it claiming it has made a cobra inside the country. If you don't even understand these basic logic, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

 

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Lol , Iran stole the engine for its UAV from Germany and reverse engineered it , Turkey can do the same but its you know.........illegal

Lol , it's still better than making Cobra copies and claiming it was made by Iran
anyway even if you compare the two , The FLIR and all other components made by Turkey are still ahead of Iranian ones

not to mention T-129 actually has customers while your Iranian ones don't, you can say sanctions
but no one would buy them either way

as for the Tank , Turkey got tech transfer for the gun and uses MTU engine (which will be replaced by its own)

everything else is made in Turkey from armor to FCS , again a lot more advanced than Iranian ones
so what exactly did Turkey copy? , all Western tanks pretty much use German guns

Yeah, Turkey can also do moon landing, cloning, build advanced engines, ... but since it will be copying, these moral and law-abiding people(who commit genocides, and support ISIS, ...) don't do that. Are you freaking kidding us? Do you think that we are stupid, or you, yourself, are stupid? If you have ever been to any R&D section of any important company in the world, you would have known that every single one of them tries to reverse engineer what other companies do as their first step to see if the technology is useful for their products. Then, at the end, they will will try to change some stuff in final design to avoid law-headaches.
T-129 is truly a piece of garbage, which that's why Italians themselves abandoned its program. Turkey made it worse by increasing its weight and also using a garbage heavy FLIR. It has a shaky hall and its falling like flies from sky.
Another joke is Altay. All of its ridiculous delays aside, every one who has followed its development knows that its resemblance to Korean tanks become more as its plan gets developed by time!!! Yet they don't know what engine to use for it.
Turkish section has already many trolls who attack other sections(Iranian, Chinese, Far East, ...) like bunch of stupid rabid dogs. I don't know what's your point in defending them.

First of All, there is no evidence that your so called Anka is using these technologies you posted. Posting some random picture is not evidence dude. Even if these components are real, which I am dubious about, who's to say their technology is not imported? All we know is every few months, it turns out your Anka ends up importing some new foreign components, just recently you guys imported a mission computer. So you can't blame us for being suspicious about your claims on Anka and thinking they're turkish propaganda.

As for you tactical UAV comment. No offence but you'e clueless about what you're talking about. As a think tank this is quite embarrassing. Shahed-129 has a flight duration of 30 hours and can carry 4 sadid class missiles. Your tactical UAV's have 'overcome' this specification? What on are you on?

As for your UAV engine, once again, that is probably a mockup. Let me know when you guys are actually producing an engine and using it inside your UAV's. Until you do that, posting some random pics means nothing.

Anka is a joke in the extent that you don't even need to talk about it.

There is big difference between between reverse engineering and simply being given tech technology. But you're too deluded to understand that. In alot of cases, designing a new system is less difficult than reverse engineering. The reason why a country may reverse engineer, is because once you have a product from another nation, you know it works so once you R/E it, then you know your imitation of it has a good chance of actually working and entering production. However, when you try and design a system from scratch, you don't know if the product you make will end up working and it may be a failed project, and you basically wasted alot of time. And Iran was under constant threat of attack so it did not have the luxary of wasting times and projects. For example, only a fool would think copying a Kh-55 cruise missile is simple, it is even more difficult than designing a new such missiles, as stated below the missile expert Uzi Rubin:

So the different between Iran and Turkey is simple. Turkey imports the technology, whilst Iran has to reverse engineer it. But I don't expect a fanboy like you to understand that.

Futhermore, your comment about Cobra makes no sense. Of course Iranian cobras are made by Iran, who else made them? Turks? There is difference between Iran claiming it designed the Cobra (which it has never done) and it claiming it has made a cobra inside the country. If you don't even understand these basic logic, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

USSR reverse engineered engine technology from Rolls Royce.
Pakistan copied nukes technology from China, and Urenco(for enrichment). All other owners of nukes(Except for USA) also copied the technology from another country.
Reverse engineering is an important elementary step in developing every industrial/military technology/product. The point is that reverse engineering is no simple job, other wise Burkinafaso and Turkey were doing moon landing by now. Even their Turkey has reverse engineered barley sugars.

 

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First of All, there is no evidence that your so called Anka is using these technologies you posted. Posting some random picture is not evidence dude. Even if these components are real, which I am dubious about, who's to say their technology is not imported? All we know is every few months, it turns out your Anka ends up importing some new foreign components, just recently you guys imported a mission computer. So you can't blame us for being suspicious about your claims on Anka and thinking they're turkish propaganda.

As for you tactical UAV comment. No offence but you'e clueless about what you're talking about. As a think tank this is quite embarrassing. Shahed-129 has a flight duration of 30 hours and can carry 4 sadid class missiles. Your tactical UAV's have 'overcome' this specification? What on are you on?

Similar Troll mode: There is no evidence of so called Iranian products, their technologies and their availability in service and No one have any idea Where Iran orders regarding sub components. They are even introduced with blurry images and Noone knows What's the origin of inner systems of complete products. Posting some random pictures don't prove anything regarding their availability or Iranian industrial capability. Iran imports many sub-components from UN sanctioned Chines institutes. If We pay attention to Iranian show-of or introduction history, You can see cheap propaganda actions carried out by Mullah team so Don't blame us for being suspicious about your so called %100 self sufficent and so called Iranian products which is actually a re-painted of 1960 variant British or Russian or USA products.

As for your Shahed-129, There is not any evidence of reaching 30000ft altitude. What is being told by your officials about Shahed-129 was around 25000ft. It is same for Chinese Yi-long UAV (18000ft operational altitude). 30000ft altitude is just a post-card specification of Iranians but Interesting part of the story is No UAV in similar class is able to be operated in 30000ft altitude while carrying 4 missiles but Iranian one must have some technologies out of the World standarts.

and It is the first time I have heart a mock-up engine which is being tested in special labratories. Thx dude. Your contribution to such discussions add serious knowledge to forum members but At least, Throw something more meaningfull to save your day before trolling...

Yeah, Turkey can also do moon landing, cloning, build advanced engines, ... but since it will be copying, these moral and law-abiding people(who commit genocides, and support ISIS, ...) don't do that. Are you freaking kidding us? Do you think that we are stupid, or you, yourself, are stupid? If you have ever been to any R&D section of any important company in the world, you would have known that every single one of them tries to reverse engineer what other companies do as their first step to see if the technology is useful for their products. Then, at the end, they will will try to change some stuff in final design to avoid law-headaches.
T-129 is truly a piece of garbage, which that's why Italians themselves abandoned its program. Turkey made it worse by increasing its weight and also using a garbage heavy FLIR. It has a shaky hall and its falling like flies from sky.
Another joke is Altay. All of its ridiculous delays aside, every one who has followed its development knows that its resemblance to Korean tanks become more as its plan gets developed by time!!! Yet they don't know what engine to use for it.
Turkish section has already many trolls who attack other sections(Iranian, Chinese, Far East, ...) like bunch of stupid rabid dogs. I don't know what's your point in defending them.

That's piece of garbage, This is piece of garbage. What is remianed ?
What a trolling.. Hmm impressive ! Iranian section needs the trolls like you.