Iran refuses to hand over crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box

[mangekyo]

When engine faillure on a takeoff pilots don't fly you stupid. Engine failure happened ooo shot down after the jets did fly away.

 

[JonAsad]

He finally succumbed to whatever drugs he was taking... Lift off

 

[zectech]

I can foresee, US jammed all plane flying on the skies of Iran which result Iran failure of IFF. Iran then fire missile which mistaken it as intruder US plane.

& there are mechanics around the world working for Mossad/FSB/MI6/CIA who do this to political opponents:

You can sabotage a plane to create engine fire/failure.

By reading this thread I feel sorry for humanity .
the plane crashed less than 8min after taking off Imam Khomeini Airport , and the video clearly show it has engine failure .

by the way the morons who claimed it was hit by one of the Iran missile , the plane was flying 800km away from the area Iran fired the missile and in exact opposite direction of where Iran was firing missiles .
also there was not a single USA airplane or any jamming in Tehran .

its a case of simple technical failure of Boeing 737 family , seems that the error were not limited to Boeing 737-max but also Boeing 737-800 also face some problem of its own . feel sorry for the guys who paid their money to Boeing for this junk.

16 airplane crashes for enemies of the Clinton Crime Family:

Assassinations of political enemies happen far more often. The Clinton crime family have connections with CNN and the media, so none of this ever makes the news (that the Clintons assassinate political opponents).

People think it was shot down just because it happened around the same time with the missile attacks. Then what about the earthquakes? Was that also Iran? Its not the first time a passenger plane crashes

That was the other attack. HAARP. When the earthquake happened close to their nuclear reactor, I knew it was HAARP. Confirmed by depth KM to be HAARP. HAARP are quite shallow. Typically around 10 KM depth. This was confirmed by European EMSC.

 

[powastick]

Should not have sent the black box to Ukraine which is a staunch US ally. EU cannot be trusted. Should have sent to Russia and China. Now they are pinning Iran shot down.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Should not have sent the black box to Ukraine which is a staunch US ally. EU cannot be trusted. Should have sent to Russia and China. Now they are pinning Iran shot down.

They can send it to Switzerland or Sweden which are the most neutral countries on the planet.

 

[powastick]

They can send it to Switzerland or Sweden which are the most neutral countries on the planet.

No there are not, they are still EU or EU-ish. You need an opposing force to monitor the investigation.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Could be cyber attack. Modern jet engines are controlled by software. Can be hacked remotely.

isolated. cant be accessed outside of pilot cabin

If it wasn't shot down, why not give the black box to Ukraine Airline to investigate?

Obvious answer is that Iran has once again scored a self goal. Now it's 3-0 US - Iran

very simple the plane crashed in Iran , we have the right to investigate the cause of the crash , Ukraine is also the owner they also have the right to investigation . the norm would be to make a joint committee and investigate what happens with the help of ICAO ,but according to international norm the main party responsible for the investigation is the country that the crash happened in its soil. I wonder what right have the Boeing to the black Box . ,the only use it have for them is to distort the data to show it was a pilot error not something related to the aircraft.

Iran can allow Experts from ICAA and EASA if it doesnt wants to involve Boeing or FAA. Any way truth will eventually come out whatever it may be.

Boeing have no right to the investigation , the main party responsible for investigation is the Country that crash happened in its soil. we usually deal with black boxes here then send them to France for a more thorough analysis .

All reports indicate that this plane was shot down accidentally by Iranian air defences.

only some sick minds say that otherwise you cant find a credible source to claim a single air defense missile fired around the time.

It's unlikely for an airplane to just crash from single engine failure

and I can count lots of airplane which crashed because of loosing half their engines , the plane can fly with one engine but can it take off and reach safe altitude without half its engines.

You sure don't have a clue wtf your talking about do you?

wrong these tests show the pilot can fly the airplane if everything is done according to the script without loss of time , the problem , pilots are not machines it take time for them to be aware of the problem , it take time to identify the cause of the problem , and in those times they may make some decisions that seems logical but worsen the situation of the airplane .in case of this airplane the pilot did not decide to continue its flight it decided to land in field and probably it something in the process.

Correct. Especially one that just took off. Refusing to release the black box is a dead giveaway.

again nor Boeing neither USA have any right to the investigation

Doesn't change the fact every jet is designed to fly with one engine.

not exactly

 

[Trango Towers]

This plane is probably taken out by Iranian aircraft defense guns or missile.

And you came to this conclusion because?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Should not have sent the black box to Ukraine which is a staunch US ally. EU cannot be trusted. Should have sent to Russia and China. Now they are pinning Iran shot down.

no we do our standard procedure , examine it here after copying what we could the we probably send it to France for a more in depth analysis . they are better equipped for that than Russian and Chinese even American

Should not have sent the black box to Ukraine which is a staunch US ally. EU cannot be trusted. Should have sent to Russia and China. Now they are pinning Iran shot down.

for proving that's nonsense accusation resulted from sick minds we don't need data of black boxes we just need post pictures of the body of airplane and every one can see there is no shrapnel mark on the airplane body .

 

[ARMalik]

Many PDF are cooking lies denigrating Iran. Shame to you all.

First, the blackbox can never be handed over to Boeing, due to international norms of conflict of interest.

Boeing does not have the full capabilities to perform forensic.

For such cases, the blackbox will be normally investigated by teams of BEA France.

https://www.bea.aero/en/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_d'Enquêtes_et_d'Analyses_pour_la_Sécurité_de_l'Aviation_Civile

Don't pretend as if you are smarter than the others cause you are not. And don't pretend that you are from vietnam; there are plenty of Iranians in vietnam. If Iran has nothing to hide then it needs to hand over these black boxes to UN for full investigation. Otherwise Iran needs to be held responsible for the killing of 176 civilians - it is a criminal act. In fact, the families whose loved ones were killed need to approach the International Courts of Justice to ensure there is though investigation conducted by the UN.

 

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[Hack-Hook]

If Iran has nothing to hide then it needs to hand over these black boxes to UN for full investigation.

since when UN have justification over the investigation of Crashed airplanes.? the justification fall in hand of the country that crash happened on its soil.

you want to see of the airplane get crashed take a camera and go take pictures of the body of crashed airplane and see if you can see any shrapnel mark

its simple the video of the crash also show it , the airplane engine caught fire , for some reason the pilot decided instead of turning back to the airport land in an open field in front of him after crash landing the aircraft explode . want to knew why , just look at the photos of the area of crash that are taken at the next morning . the field is not so open after all

tor m1 is radar guided not heat seeking so it would not have hit the engine rather it would have gone for body and don't talk about Blast fragment of the Frag-HE warhead the photo clearly show that the warhead did not explode and is completely intact . even Elliott Higgins the journalist that posted it admit that he can't verify where the picture is taken.

by the way look at some of the holes that are claimed can be seen on the body of the aircraft

let change the angle of the camera

they are not holes at all , they are just attempts by some A$$holes to depict debris on the airplane as Shrapnel marks. very pathetic indeed
look at this video it also clearly shows the plane had engine problem and the pilot tries to do a controlled crash landing and what happened is that at the dark of night he could not see what he was taught as an open field is not that open

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215090551105769477

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215036768338268161

 

[500]

tor m1 is radar guided not heat seeking so it would not have hit the engine rather it would have gone for body

Who said there was direct engine hit?

and don't talk about Blast fragment of the Frag-HE warhead the photo clearly show that the warhead did not explode and is completely intact .

Warhead located in the center of the Tor rocket.

8 - is the warhead. There was proximity explosion and nose part fell on the ground.

by the way look at some of the holes that are claimed can be seen on the body of the aircraft

let change the angle of the camera

they are not holes at all , they are just attempts by some A$$holes to depict debris on the airplane as Shrapnel marks. very pathetic indeed

U are debunking arguments I did not use. SAM exploded under the plane most probably.

look at this video it also clearly shows the plane had engine problem and the pilot tries to do a controlled crash landing and what happened is that at the dark of night he could not see what he was taught as an open field is not that open

Pilots did not contact the control tower about he problem. Plus plane should be able to fly with one engine too.

 

[500]

Most probable scenario:

 

[xbat]

when i heard crash of the aircraft, i thought iran hit it, they tried to hide it but there is TOR seeker. lets accept the incompetence and apologize to families.