Iran protesters chanting ‘DEATH to Rouhani’ and raise slogans against Khamenei

[The SC]

What about Gezi? One of the biggest protest movements in the history of the Middle East and Europe. More than 5 million people took part in those demonstrations, yet Turkey's economic growth is still considered okay today.

Iran is the second largest car manufacturer of the Middle East and one of the biggest in the world (in top 20). On top of that, they have even more resources than Saudi Arabia. In fact, I do think that the government will focus on the economy rather than on Syria once these protests are over. This could be the beginning of a positive change.

In the evening one may praise the day, my Saudi friend.

Personally, I'd prefer a secular Iran, rich and stable. But I would never dare to intervene in a way which could lead to a second Syria. Wether you like or not, Iranians are part of us and they deserve a peaceful transition. But almost anything is better than a war-torn Iran with millions of dead people. This is why I prefer to be quite as a foreigner.

The context is different.. In Iran, the demonstrators are linking the internal policy of Iran to its external policies.. BTW, I am neutral here.. I know that Iranians will chose the best system for them..My previous post stated some realities that you can not compare with Turkey.. just remember that Iran is still under severe international sanctions.. Turkey was not.. That is why I say that the economics' damage is already done.. as for a civil war, I do not wish it for Iran..

 

[bozorgmehr]

and this clown and his friends look like find gold mine after trump presidency.
It seems that you are blind to see increase in their activities.
I think You know poshte pardeh program is linked to IRGC intelligence service and that is their yesterday program.
you can see their other programs in their channels also which clearly is against amadnews and zam gangs.

It looks very stupid they create anti clown program at this critical time.

read these two tweets

https://twitter.com/x/status/947179988213624832

https://twitter.com/x/status/947441456238735360

and know who is behind amadnews which made IRI so angry against them


before any action we must know what we want otherwise is just riots and chaos.
Just look at Syria why they become like this ?????b/c they don't know what they wanted at start.
also you are so naive to think current IRI is same as 1359 IRI.
progressing and change need time and I believe that we can reform regime to better slowly.


violence always make thinks worsen.

You're too much into conspiracy theories. Don't be mentally lazy. You ignore the ocean of problems in Iran caused by 40 years of theft, brutality and immorality by the islamist animals and the totlal power they wield in Iran. And instead you zoom in on clown half a world away to explain away the issues. Not very rational, is it? I would ask you to think critically, but unfortunately critical thought is not one the strengths of religious conservative people.

Corruption is a worldwide phenomena.. and with the economic globalisation, it got worst..
Saudi Arabia just started its campaign against corruption..and Rohani was about to do the same in Iran.. but that is not the main concern of the protestors.. although it has certainly contributed to the protests as a cause among many others..

Another one of those easy and nonsensical statements that's supposed to make the average poor middle eastern feel comfortable with their monumental shortcomings and abject failures. Corruption is worldwide, but I've never had to pay off a police officer, a customs agent, a building code inspector, a judge, an import licensing official, or even a small time government office employees, in all the years I've lived and traveled throughout the west. So while there might be corruption everywhere, it appears as though 99% of it happens to go on in our countries. So the real question is why are our societies so much more corrupt than the western ones?

If I want to answer you honestly as an Iranian. I say, it's not a revolution because the Islamic Republic of Iran has a lot of supporters. but these demonstrations will make the government to deal seriously with economic corruption. because all Iranian people have this request from government.

If you think you can somehow remove corruption from the islamic system, then I have bridge to sell you in Alaska! Corruption goes with the Islamic Republic, like white goes with milk. In other words it is the very nature of the Islamic Republic that promotes corruption of both, the financial and moral kind. That is how they've held power all these years, through control of information, lack accountability and hte exercise of pwoer to their own benefit. That is corruption itself. So no, the Islamic Republic will never be corruption free. And if you do the things necessary to remove corruption from the system, it will no longer be the Islamic Republic.

 

[BATMAN]

just remember that Iran is still under severe international sanctions

Only sever sanctions Iran has are the ones imposed by them self. i.e. no US built hardware.
Otherwise, they are exporting oil as they wish and importing from China / Europe instead.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You may not agree on politics of Mullahs. You may even criticiZe them very strongly but voising your criticizm to this way on streets with burning right and left at such a critical timescale will just serve the politics of USA / Israel over Muslims and their monarchy puppet states in region. I always support a democratic, social and even secular Iranian Republic with peacefull ways for the benefits of our neighbour but I never get the logic behind guys worshiping a monarchy kingdom controlled by a US backed family, is supporting uprising with a theme of democracy and freedom in other country?

Huh.... What has this protests got to do with KSA, Gulf States and the West??
So people can't protest again in their own country because it 'might' serve the interests of other countries? Lol.
Why do you people always think outside powers are behind all your protests? That's an insult to the intelligence/brain of your own people in this region to be honest.

The USA has openly come out in support of the Iranian anti-regime protestors.

Which means they are finished. Being seen as an American lapdog is no different to being seen as a traitor.

True. If any western government makes a comment against using deadly force against the protesters, then it will be bad news for this Iranian protesters.
In short, it will only makes thing much more worse for them and lead to more crackdown by security forces.
Its a very tricky situation, since suppressing these protests might lead to temporary peace until it flares up again in future, judging by the fact that I don't think the iranian regime and system will chnage in the foreseeable future(it simply can't, given the way it is structured). So the conditions that led to this protests in the first place will be present for a long time to come until the regime itself is replaced. So Iranians will have to get used to living under such a system/conditions for the foreseeable future.

It's always hard or even impossible to drastically change how a regime/system works without toppling all the major figureheads/decision makers and power holders of that regime(i.e the structure of the regime). That's the tragedy.

 

[mahatir]

https://twitter.com/x/status/947978567807373313

 

[The SC]

You're too much into conspiracy theories. Don't be mentally lazy. You ignore the ocean of problems in Iran caused by 40 years of theft, brutality and immorality by the islamist animals and the totlal power they wield in Iran. And instead you zoom in on clown half a world away to explain away the issues. Not very rational, is it? I would ask you to think critically, but unfortunately critical thought is not one the strengths of religious conservative people.



Another one of those easy and nonsensical statements that's supposed to make the average poor middle eastern feel comfortable with their monumental shortcomings and abject failures. Corruption is worldwide, but I've never had to pay off a police officer, a customs agent, a building code inspector, a judge, an import licensing official, or even a small time government office employees, in all the years I've lived and traveled throughout the west. So while there might be corruption everywhere, it appears as though 99% of it happens to go on in our countries. So the real question is why are our societies so much more corrupt than the western ones?



If you think you can somehow remove corruption from the islamic system, then I have bridge to sell you in Alaska! Corruption goes with the Islamic Republic, like white goes with milk. In other words it is the very nature of the Islamic Republic that promotes corruption of both, the financial and moral kind. That is how they've held power all these years, through control of information, lack accountability and hte exercise of pwoer to their own benefit. That is corruption itself. So no, the Islamic Republic will never be corruption free. And if you do the things necessary to remove corruption from the system, it will no longer be the Islamic Republic.

Corruption has many facets to it and happens on different levels.. you'll be surprised to hear that there are active specialised Police forces and government comities who's only job is to combat corruption in Western societies.. they just don't make the international news headlines, unless they have international ramifications.. I have been personally witnessing this in North America for the last 20 years..It is obviously worst in developing and third world countries.. where there are few or non-existent control mechanisms..To say that it is related to Islam is going a bit too far.. Islam as such forbids it..and furthermore, it all depends on the meaning one gives to corruption and at what level it exists..

 

[mahatir]

Huh.... What has this protests got to do with KSA, Gulf States and the West??
So people can't protest again in their own country because it 'might' serve the interests of other countries? Lol.
Why do you people always think outside powers are behind all your protests? That's an insult to the intelligence/brain of your own people in this region to be honest.


True. If any western government makes a comment against using deadly force against the protesters, then it will be bad news for this Iranian protesters.
In short, it will only makes thing much more worse for them and lead to more crackdown by security forces.
Its a very tricky situation, since suppressing these protests might lead to temporary peace until it flares up again in future, judging by the fact that I don't think the iranian regime and system will chnage in the foreseeable future(it simply can't, given the way it is structured). So the conditions that led to this protests in the first place will be present for a long time to come until the regime itself is replaced. So Iranians will have to get used to living under such a system/conditions for the foreseeable future.

It's always hard or even impossible to drastically change how a regime/system works without toppling all the major figureheads/decision makers and power holders of that regime(i.e the structure of the regime). That's the tragedy.

The regime will eventually suppress and end these protests but at a huge cost that will affect Iran economy for years to come. The riots/protests this time was from low-income Iranians who have nothing to lose, every one of these protestors knows he or she will be shot by the Basij .

The Iranian regime will divert most of their resources to try to control domestic situation through grants to poor Iranians and increasing Basij forces salaries to maintain their continuing loyalty.

As a result of these protests, I would expect in 2018 whats remaining from northern Yemen regions will fall under Saudi led coalition control influence/control and Russia and USA will take over Syria at the expense of Iran.

What would be interesting is what will happen to Hezbollah whom will suffer the most since Iranian support will drastically be reduced to them.

 

[mike2000 is back]

People need to be patient , Iran is a country not a small company where everything changes in one day.
I think after these protests are over the government/regime will reduce support for foreign groups and try to spend more internally to avoid these protests happening again .

The government needs to investment more in labour intensive industries and encourage private sector thats the only solution by keeping the youth busy in something productive.

Protests through out the middle east started all for the same reason unemployment and inflation and Iran money should not be wasted over worthless organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas , the people of iran should enjoy and utilize their resources not Arabs living 1000 km awa

That's not possible or practical. Iran is an Islamic state and is ruled by a revolutionary Islamic clergy system, as such its a religious regime /government. There's no way the current Islamic government of Iran can give up on supporting its proxies and shia groups in the region. It's not possible or feasible. Else what will be the point of the revolutionary Islamic state principle on which the IRI was built ?
So I believe you should be more practical in your judgement instead of indulging in wishes and hopes. .

Moreover, I think this protests will fizzle out with time and things will be back to normal like before. However, in future when this kind of protests flares up again(since I believe the system won't change) it might even be bigger and more widespread, judging by the fact that Iranians seem to be becoming more and more fed up with the way their country is ruled and the system itself, which is something that's more worrying than the protests itself.

 

[The SC]

Only sever sanctions Iran has are the ones imposed by them self. i.e. no US built hardware.
Otherwise, they are exporting oil as they wish and importing from China / Europe instead.

Well, they were restricted in imports from Europe too for the last 30 years.. no one denies that Iran has tremendous natural resources, but the problem comes from their management.. and supporting the proxy wars and even the efforts of war in Iraq and Syria.. Not to forget that Iraq was also a very rich nation and quite advanced in many areas, but the sanctions weakened the countries population so much internally that we saw Iraqis in Baghdad kissing American soldiers hands after the invasion..

 

[Clutch]

That's not possible or practical. Iran is an Islamic state and is ruled by a revolutionary Islamic clergy system, as such its a religious regime /government. There's no way the current Islamic government of Iran can give up on supporting its proxies and shia groups in the region. It's not possible or feasible. Else what will be the point of the revolutionary Islamic state principle on which the IRI was built ?
So I believe you should be more practical in your judgement instead of indulging in wishes and hopes. .

Moreover, I think this protests will fizzle out with time and things will be back to normal like before. However, in future when this kind of protests flares up again(since I believe the system won't change) it might even be bigger and more widespread, judging by the fact that Iranians seem to be becoming more and more fed up with the way their country is ruled and the system itself, which is something that's more worrying than the protests itself.

The Shah regime of Iran was pretty corrupt and brutal as well.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Iran has tremendous natural resources, but the problem comes from their management.. and supporting the proxy wars and even the efforts of war in Iraq and Syria.. Not to forget that Iraq was also a very rich nation and quite advanced in many areas, but the sanctions weakened the countries population so much internally that we saw Iraqis in Baghdad kissing American soldiers hands after the invasion..

That was funny.

The Shah regime of Iran was pretty corrupt and brutal as well.

True, which also led to its downfall, even though Iran was still one of the wealthiest countries in the region back then.

The IRI might end the same way as the Shah, but I think in future not now with this relatively moderate protests. They haven't reached their tipping point as of yet IMO.

 

[mahatir]

That's not possible or practical. Iran is an Islamic state and is ruled by a revolutionary Islamic clergy system, as such its a religious regime /government. There's no way the current Islamic government of Iran can give up on supporting its proxies and shia groups in the region. It's not possible or feasible. Else what will be the point of the revolutionary Islamic state principle on which the IRI was built ?
So I believe you should be more practical in your judgement instead of indulging in wishes and hopes. .

Moreover, I think this protests will fizzle out with time and things will be back to normal like before. However, in future when this kind of protests flares up again(since I believe the system won't change) it might even be bigger and more widespread, judging by the fact that Iranians seem to be becoming more and more fed up with the way their country is ruled and the system itself, which is something that's more worrying than the protests itself.

If check my post again I said they will have less resources available which would translate into less support . The regime in Iran will focus more on ensuring its own survival first by improving its people life condition and basij forces capabilities.

 

[Śakra]

Svatantra Parsa!!

 

[mike2000 is back]

If check my post again I said they will have less resources available which would translate into less support . The regime in Iran will focus more on ensuring its own survival first by improving its people life condition and basij forces capabilities.

Nope. Iran never had less resources. The government just has its own way of using them I believe, and sponsoring and supporting shia groups in the region is one of their priorities, since it also bolsters the regimes legitimacy in Tehran itself as well. There's no way they will ever stop supporting such groups in the region. It's goes along with their interests, influence in the region and the Islamic state establishment as well. So I don't think there will be any major change in this department.

 

[mahatir]

Nope. Iran never had less resources. The government just has its own way of using them I believe, and sponsoring and supporting shia groups in the region is one of their priorities, since it also bolsters the regimes legitimacy in Tehran itself as well. There's no way they will ever stop supporting such groups in the region. It's goes along with their interests, influence in the region and the Islamic state establishment as well. So I don't think there will be any major change in this department.

Money is a finite resource remember and the core reason behind these protests is poverty and unemployment resulted from spending most of their resources on foreign armed groups .

This is simple economics and more resources will be directed towards facing current protests at the expense of foreign spending , it has nothing to do with changing their ideology.

One of the main promises of the islamic revolution was to provide people with better life and that has not been acheived resulting in people rioting against the system .