Iran Produces Smart 100mm AAA

[Penguin]

Again very well said Penguin but my question to you is: Can every nation afford the German SPAAA Gepard? YOu made an excelent point with out a doubt but not every nation can afford such a high tech system. Iran is a country along with a few others that can provide a cheap and affordable alternative to nations who would otherwise not be able to protect themselves from enemy aircrafts.
Also you brought up the point of mobility issues. What if it is supponse to be a fixed system and not ment to be moved like at airbases. for active defence. The German SPAAA is a very good system by its main perpous is to provide active anti-aircraft opperations while constantly on the move. Correct me if I am wrong but the Gepard helps protect mechnized infentry, tanks, and other elements of the army while they are moving from one location to another. So in a sence we are trying to compare two systems that may have similarities pryorities (which is to protect agianst air threats) but have very different roles to play when it comes to who and how to protect.

However if we were comparing the Gepard to the Russian Tungushka that would be a completly different story because of the fact that they are both SPAAA systems.

Yes, they'se were expensive items of equipment. However, they are specifically for protecting armor on the move. So, an army that has only a small armor component will not need that many. Also, due to the collaps of the Warsaw pact and the end of the cold war etc., European nations that had these SPAAGs have been letting them go. The Dutch e.g. have sold some of their inventory of very similar CEASAR spaag (essentially same vehicle with different radars) to Rumania. Pre-owned vehicles are cheaper, of course. Tunguska is an option, as is the older ZSU-23-4, which can still be usefull in modernized form (e.g. with MANPADS added and upgrade FCS).
Some of the Western nations I mentioned have switched to wheeled or tracked MANPADS armed vehicles, which are more suitable for light and strategically highly mobile forces (airborne, marine etc)

Instead of the SPAAGs mentioned here, one can compare the KS-19 to the formerly Oerlikon-Contraves (now Rheinmetall) GDF twin 35mm oerlikon ground mount or its chinese Type 90 equivalent (same RoF of 550 rpm per barrel, weighing 6,700 kg with ammunition) . They have similar functions. Typically employed 2 gun mounts to 1 firecontrol unit. Guns have modern sights as well for effective local control on the mount.

 

[echo 1]

Well someone has done their homework But on a serious note you are correct. One can indeed go for something like the GDF twin 35mm oerlikon or it Chinese counterpart Type 90. Trully though I must stick with what Iran has made though. Yes it has its drawbacks but it is still a great weapon system.

 

[Penguin]

Well someone has done their homework But on a serious note you are correct. One can indeed go for something like the GDF twin 35mm oerlikon or it Chinese counterpart Type 90. Trully though I must stick with what Iran has made though. Yes it has its drawbacks but it is still a great weapon system.

The main advantage of the 100m guns is range/altitude. So, they are complementary to the faster firing and training smaller caliber guns, mainly in static defence (given their size and weight, and necessary logistics for the 100mm shells). Modernization like the Iranians have done would be necessary for these guns to have any effectiveness. Against fast and manouvrable targets, they are not so usefull so these should be left to other systems. However, much like minefields on the ground, these 'heavies' can put up barrage fire which channels incomings targets to certain flight paths or altitudes, or helps thin the incoming wave of targets before they get to into range of the lighter, more modern and effective AAA and point defence SAMs/MANPADs. In that sense, and given the alternative systems that Iran has (not) got access to, it is a potentially usefull modernization of an otherwise obsolete weapon.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkish SPAAG project... (Aselsan-MKEK-FNSS)

42 item Armed vehicles,
14 item Command-Control vehicles will be developed in Aselsan institues indigenously.

Indigenous SPAAG will carry 2 Oerlikon 35mm gun at the tower of vehicle. Every Command-Control vehicles capable to direct 3 armed SPAAG vehicles.

Armed Veicles will carry Aselsan-made Tracking (Fire-Control) radar and electro-optic sensors in addition to 2 Oerlikon 35mm guns.

Command-Control Vehicles will carry Reconnaissance radar to create air pictures to direct armed vehicles towards the target automatically... Aselsan made HeIRKSS command-control and communication software system will also direct all SPAAG system in addition to all air defence platforms which was integrated same software system. Armed SPAAG's will capable to work with different huge radars involved in Aselsan made HeIRKSS system.

Sub-contactor MKEK Cansas will produce Oerlikon 35mm gun with AHEAD technology which is cooperated with Aselsan.

Subcontactor FNSS will provide carriage vehicles ACV-S Akinci...

 

[echo 1]

Fristly I would like to thank everyone who has been participating in this form. You have all brought a great amout of knolage and ideas and made this into a very interesting discussion. I also am glad people are bringing in other systems into the discussion. So thank you all.

Also it seems like many countries are starting to come out with their own SPAAA and AAA systems. I have to give a lot of credit to the Swiss for coming out with the 35mm for it is as popular as Bofoce of the Swedish. It has become very popular and has shown up over and over again.