Iran plans to build submarines equipped with nuclear propulsion systems

[I S I]

show me a single country that has something like Jask launching system.

More like 'Jackass launching system'.
It's because the world got better working tech than Iran's propaganda machinery. What happened to stealth qeher jet? Probably died from its own qeher.

 

[Philosopher]

Jask 2 has a range of 19 miles and is called a copy of Chinese C-704.

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/www...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

Jask-2 is a torpedo launch platforms for missiles. It is not a missile itself. You can put various different types of missiles in it, then this give you the ability to launch cruise missiles etc from a torpedo tube.

Whats so special about it? We produce Babur SLCM with much longer ranges.

See above.

Even your midget subs are basically iranian made copies of north korean subs.

Iranian midget submarines are old news. Try focusing on the likes of Fateh and the Besat (being built).

 

[Blue In Green]

You don't even know what the Jask-2 is. Before commenting on these topic, perhaps do a little research before coming across as an ignoramus.

Jask-2 is a torpedo launch platforms for missiles. It is not a missile itself. You can put various different types of missiles in it, then this give you the ability to launch cruise missiles etc from a torpedo tube.



You would have known what's special, if you bothered to do a simple research.






Iranian midget submarines as old news. Try focusing on the likes of Fateh and the Besat (being built).

Did they ever say how many Fateh and Besat submarines they ultimately wanna build?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You don't even know what the Jask-2 is. Before commenting on these topic, perhaps do a little research before coming across as an ignoramus.

Jask-2 is a torpedo launch platforms for missiles. It is not a missile itself. You can put various different types of missiles in it, then this give you the ability to launch cruise missiles etc from a torpedo tube.



You would have known what's special, if you bothered to do a simple research.






Iranian midget submarines are old news. Try focusing on the likes of Fateh and the Besat (being built).

Because there is no source to read up on Jask, other than its a short ranged missile that uses torpedo launch mechanisms.

The same is the case with Babur III. It uses torpedo tubes instead of a dedicated VLS.
As for fateh, I did read up on it, its inspired by ghadir class, which itself was a ms-29 youno class north korean sub.

How silent it is, or how advanced im not sure considering western tech is no doubt far ahead of North Korean subs.

But it probably works for the shallow gulf they operate in. But again, probably not as quiet.

You don't even know what the Jask-2 is. Before commenting on these topic, perhaps do a little research before coming across as an ignoramus.

Jask-2 is a torpedo launch platforms for missiles. It is not a missile itself. You can put various different types of missiles in it, then this give you the ability to launch cruise missiles etc from a torpedo tube.



You would have known what's special, if you bothered to do a simple research.






Iranian midget submarines are old news. Try focusing on the likes of Fateh and the Besat (being built).

Because there is no source to read up on Jask, other than its a short ranged missile that uses torpedo launch mechanisms.

The same is the case with Babur III. It uses torpedo tubes instead of a dedicated VLS.
As for fateh, I did read up on it, it is basically inspired from North Korean

You don't even know what the Jask-2 is. Before commenting on these topic, perhaps do a little research before coming across as an ignoramus.

Jask-2 is a torpedo launch platforms for missiles. It is not a missile itself. You can put various different types of missiles in it, then this give you the ability to launch cruise missiles etc from a torpedo tube.



You would have known what's special, if you bothered to do a simple research.






Iranian midget submarines are old news. Try focusing on the likes of Fateh and the Besat (being built).

also every source says that jask 2 is a short ranged missile based on nasr-1, which itself is a chinese missile produced by iran under license.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Jask 2 has a range of 19 miles and is called a copy of Chinese C-704.

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/www...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

Whats so special about it? We produce Babur SLCM with much longer ranges.

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And we are talking about nuclear subs not short ranged missiles.

Even your midget subs are basically iranian made copies of north korean subs.

http://www.hisutton.com/Iran_Submarine_forces.html

well the jask is not a missile , its a launching system that allow even our midget sub fire antiship cruse missiles , thats what special about it , a submarine that has no missile launch capability with it will get that capabilities and the range of the missile depends on the missile inside it not the Jask 2 launching system itself . babur can be only fired from your agusta subs jask-2 is a system that give missile launch capabilities to even 100 ton submarines

More like 'Jackass launching system'.
It's because the world got better working tech than Iran's propaganda machinery. What happened to stealth qeher jet? Probably died from its own qeher.

when thosse system allowed a 100 ton submarine fire antiship missiles then come and talk with me.

Because there is no source to read up on Jask, other than its a short ranged missile that uses torpedo launch mechanisms.

Jask-2 is not a missile its a torpedoe Missile launch system and we have athread about it in this forum that have video and explanation of how it work in this forum , you only needed to use search function of this thread

As for fateh, I did read up on it, its inspired by ghadir class, which itself was a ms-29 youno class north korean sub.

if its inspired by aything its Nahang

and this is Jask-2

the green one is Jask-2 . we just put a Nasr-1 (blue) missile for the test inside it. if we want we can put bigger missile inside it .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

well the jask is not a missile , its a launching system that allow even our midget sub fire antiship cruse missiles , thats what special about it , a submarine that has no missile launch capability with it will get that capabilities and the range of the missile depends on the missile inside it not the Jask 2 launching system itself . babur can be only fired from your agusta subs jask-2 is a system that give missile launch capabilities to even 100 ton submarines

That would depend upon both the missile and the torpedo tubes of the submarine.

You cant encapsulate just any other missile and fire it from any torpedo tubes as you wish. It would depend on the diameter of the launch tubes and the missile itself. That means limited capabilities. Unless you come up with a missile of same physical specifications but better capabilities you are stuck with Nasr-1 Aka Jask II.

As for Babur, it also uses the same method, ditches the capsule after launch.. and is fired from torpedo tubes....yeah both Agosta and Hangor will be armed with it.
.. but recently another Pakistani submarine was revealed which we know next to nothing about.

Reported by the same guy Hsutton.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...ine-in-service-with-pakistani-navy-seals/amp/

As for fateh from the same source as you posted:

http://www.hisutton.com/Fateh-Class_Submarine.html

 

[Philosopher]

Because there is no source to read up on Jask, other than its a short ranged missile that uses torpedo launch mechanisms.

Literally the first source on google search for Jask-2 states:

“Initial analysis suggested that some of the footage showed a normal torpedo being launched, with the submarine only partly submerged. This is in fact the Jask-2 capsule, which is unique in having its own torpedo motor. The motor is very short-ranged, in the region of a few hundred yards. So it's not to give it greater range. One theory is that the motor allows the weapon capsule to swim out of submarine torpedo tubes because Iranian midget submarines are not equipped with a means to eject an unpowered capsule.“

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

Not that hard, was it?

The same is the case with Babur III. It uses torpedo tubes instead of a dedicated VLS.

Apples and oranges, Jask-2 is different.

As for fateh, I did read up on it, it is basically inspired from North Korean

Now you're just making up your own claims. Fateh has nothing to do with any North Korean systems. At least provide sources for your claims.

also every source says that jask 2 is a short ranged missile based on nasr-1, which itself is a chinese missile produced by iran under license.

If you can't even read the very first source from google search engine which tells you what Jask-2 actually is, then I don't know how else I can make this easier for you. If you're struggling to understand something, perhaps ask other members here (in this cause Iranians) that can help demystify the situation.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

well the jask is not a missile , its a launching system that allow even our midget sub fire antiship cruse missiles , thats what special about it , a submarine that has no missile launch capability with it will get that capabilities and the range of the missile depends on the missile inside it not the Jask 2 launching system itself . babur can be only fired from your agusta subs jask-2 is a system that give missile launch capabilities to even 100 ton submarines


when thosse system allowed a 100 ton submarine fire antiship missiles then come and talk with me.


Jask-2 is not a missile its a torpedoe Missile launch system and we have athread about it in this forum that have video and explanation of how it work in this forum , you only needed to use search function of this thread


if its inspired by aything its Nahang

and this is Jask-2

the green one is Jask-2 . we just put a Nasr-1 (blue) missile for the test inside it. if we want we can put bigger missile inside it .

Plenty of missiles use the same launch system:

 

[Philosopher]

As for fateh from the same source as you posted:

http://www.hisutton.com/Fateh-Class_Submarine.html

It appears you do not even know how to read your own source. :

After years of a methodical national program Iran has finally joined the exclusive club of nations able to design and build large submarines. Starting with very crude midget submarines in the 1980s, the Iranian indigenous submarine program has progressed through several midget submarines and now, with the commissioning of Fateh, full-size submarines. There has been significant external influence along the way, notably from North Korea who very visibly supplied MS-29 Yono Class midget submarines which were put into serial production locally as the IS-120 Ghadir Class. And there has also been some liaison with Russian and Chinese organizations. Ultimately however the Fateh is a legitimate indigenous product and Iran deserves some credit in this regard.

It is talking about the Ghadir submarine, not Fateh.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Literally the first source on google search for Jask-2 states:



https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

Not that hard, was it?

Ok, now relax and read what you posted.

Apples and oranges, Jask-2 is different

Of course, one a long ranged CM with dual seekers and can be launched from surface and sub platforms, other well...

Babur has independent underwater propulsion system the jask relies solely on torpedo launch.

Now you're just making up your own claims. Fateh has nothing to do with any North Korean systems. At least provide sources for your claims.

I did above, it shares features from MS-29 aka Ghadir class.

If you can't even read the very first source from google search engine which tells you what Jask-2 actually is, then I don't know how else I can make this easier for you. If you're struggling to understand something, perhaps ask other members here (in this cause Iranians) that can help demystify the situation.

Your own source:

The new missile, called Jask-2, is just over ten feet long with a range of only 19 miles. It's an Iranian copy of a Chinese missile called C-704 that's designed to be carried by Iranian Ghadir-class midget submarines (above).
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

 

[Philosopher]

I did above, it shares features from MS-29 aka Ghadir class.

Fateh and Ghadir have nothing to do with each other in terms features etc. They are fully different systems.

Your own source:

The new missile, called Jask-2, is just over ten feet long with a range of only 19 miles. It's an Iranian copy of a Chinese missile called C-704 that's designed to be carried by Iranian Ghadir-class midget submarines (above).
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/

That's clearly a type, utilising a little rational thinking. Jask-2 is not a missile for it to be a copy of C-704, that is referring to the Nasr missile that was used within the Jask-2. That is why I quoted the later part of the article for you. Focus on Jask-2 as a system, not just what missiles it can carry i.e Nasr.

Babur has independent underwater propulsion system the jask relies solely on torpedo launch.

Good, so you agree your system is not the same as Iran's. Which is what I said initially.

 

[925boy]

Pakistan has close military ties with Iran, we are aligned more than you can see.

Interesting comment. i would like to hear more about this. I dont really know what to believe on this btw.

 

[Hack-Hook]

That would depend upon both the missile and the torpedo tubes of the submarine.

You cant encapsulate just any other missile and fire it from any torpedo tubes as you wish. It would depend on the diameter of the launch tubes and the missile itself. That means limited capabilities. Unless you come up with a missile of same physical specifications but better capabilities you are stuck with Nasr-1 Aka Jask II.

As for Babur, it also uses the same method, ditches the capsule after launch.. and is fired from torpedo tubes....yeah both Agosta and Hangor will be armed with it.
.. but recently another Pakistani submarine was revealed which we know next to nothing about.
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Reported by the same guy Hsutton.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...ine-in-service-with-pakistani-navy-seals/amp/

As for fateh from the same source as you posted:

http://www.hisutton.com/Fateh-Class_Submarine.html

well its clear we can't encapsulate any missile but we have enough missile that can be encapsulated in Jask-2 and have higher range than Nasr-1
also no babur-3 don't use the same method we used in Jask-2 look at this video of the babur launch

thats the normal encapsulation of submarine launched missile and your missile will turn on under water and drive itself out , what you see as encapsulation is there to protect the missile from water and made it fit the torpedo tube . for that you need a special version of Babur , that's why I think you'll see Babur-3 as submarine launched missile and you use Babur-2 for other platforms and that's why Babur-3 have less range than Babur-2
this a video of how Jask-2 work

you see our system have the advantage that where the missile come out of water maybe kilometers away from where the submarine is and nobody can use it to determine the location of the submarine .

 

[Philosopher]

Plenty of missiles use the same launch system:
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You're comparing different systems. The Iranian Jask-2 system employs its own motor. It is an actual torpedo with a missile inside. Those systems you posted, do not have an independent motor etc. They're just a capsule.

 

[Hack-Hook]

As for fateh from the same source as you posted:

http://www.hisutton.com/Fateh-Class_Submarine.html

the same source say

Design
The Fateh is about 48m long with a generally conventional hull form with blunt vertical bow and tapered stern. This is similar to the German Type-206 series deigns and former-Yugoslavian 821 (Heroj) and 831 (Sava) classes. A useful load of six torpedoes or approximately twelve mines can be carried.

Below the torpedo tubes is space for circular sonar arrays with asmaller set mounted above them. The sensor suite of a boat this size will be relatively limited but still much more powerful than on the smaller Ghadir. The sail is set quite far back along an unusually stepped forward casing which barely rises above the top of the hull at the bow, before rising up halfway along to allow the forward hydroplanes to be mounted. The sail has a blended leading edge similar to the latest American boats. Curiously there is an external ladder up the forward part of the sail rather than a hatch, suggesting a diver lock-out is built into it like on the Ghadir.

yes it influenced by ghadir that ladder prove that

Plenty of missiles use the same launch system:
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only capsules , for missile protection , they use missile engine to trust missile out of water . Jask- have its own engine that actually can work as a torpedo and let just say we fire the missile at point x , the missile come out at pont X+15km away from submarine .and this actually can increase the range of the missile inside it and make detecting sub marine a lot harder while all the system you posted come out of the water 10s of meter away from submarine

.. but recently another Pakistani submarine was revealed which we know next to nothing about.

Reported by the same guy Hsutton.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...ine-in-service-with-pakistani-navy-seals/amp/

16.5m long that's probbly a diver delivery system without any torpedo or missile , we unveiled something like that in 2000 it's called al-Sabehat 15 SDV