Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline (IPP) News & Updates.

[Judge]

Good stance.

As long as there are Ayatullahs are under sanctions, how could they even sell that gas to Pak.

How would they get paid in return? Wheat and mangoes and oranges?

How?

The same way India is paying in billions of dollars for the oil it is buying - despite the sanctions.
The same way China is paying despite the sanctions.

The excuse of sanctions being used by GoP is a lie and a farce. If they wanted to they could have gone ahead with the trade..

 

[FaujHistorian]

The same way India is paying in billions of dollars for the oil it is buying - despite the sanctions.
The same way China is paying despite the sanctions.

The excuse of sanctions being used by GoP is a lie and a farce. If they wanted to they could have gone ahead with the trade..

you should get a PhD as well, for your utter lack of knowledge on this issue.

International financing/guarantees are needed to construct the pipeline.

India and China are not constructing a line or permanent structure. Oil is smuggled in and out of Iran and they get paid via barter trade/hundi.

This is why India ran away from IPI long long long long time ago. They just made wrong misdirecting statements back then to pacify leftists in India.

But you will never understand it.

 

[Judge]

you should get a PhD as well, for your utter lack of knowledge on this issue.

International financing/guarantees are needed to construct the pipeline.

India and China are not constructing a line or permanent structure. Oil is smuggled in and out of Iran and they get paid via barter trade/hundi.

This is why India ran away from IPI long long long long time ago. They just made wrong misdirecting statements back then to pacify leftists in India.

But you will never understand it.

Wrong Fauji.
In this case, your information seems to be incorrect.

International financing is not needed for this pipeline provided Pakistan can cough up resources. Iran has already constructed the pipeline it had to on its side of the border. The pipeline from Iran is literally there at the Pakistani borders.

International guarantees and insurance are needed when there is a third party. In this case there are only two parties.

In this case,
1. the issue is only limited to Pakistan being willing to cough up the money.
2. Pakistan kowtowing to Arab countries wishes along with US.

And as far as India is concerned, we left it for two reasons:
1. US offered us a better deal in exchange for dropping this deal. The NSG exemption post the nuclear deal.
2. Iran was charging an amount FAR higher than what we were willing to pay. Iran was trying to pull a fast one. India is a bulk purchaser of gas. Today we import gas at a lower price in ships than Iran was willing to sell in pipelines!

Both the issues together meant it was more beneficial to discontinue with the deal. Heck infact, India even told Pakistan that the prices were too high and to go for collective bargaining. Pakistan refused to see sense and went ahead - perhaps out of its usual instincts to oppose anything India says and stick with one of its numerous 'brother' countries

This has NOTHING to do with sanctions. India and China have been regularly paying Iran for oil in billions of dollars despite the sanctions.

@Developereo has also posted something on the issue.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Wrong Fauji.
In this case, your information seems to be incorrect.

International financing is not needed for this pipeline provided Pakistan can cough up resources. ....

you can always cough up personal cash on pretty much everything and anything in the world.

That is not something new. Heck this is how stone age man did it.

However in modern times, proper financing buys you extra insurance when it comes to international treaty obligations.

it is your choice to behave as stone age man in 2014.

Peace

 

[Judge]

you can always cough up personal cash on pretty much everything and anything in the world.

That is not something new. Even stone age man did it.

However in modern times, proper financing buys you extra insurance when it comes to international treaty obligations.

it is your choice to behave as stone age man in 2014.

Peace

Considering that the pipeline cost was not big in the first place, unnecessary financing is not required. With the pipeline already sitting there at Pakistani borders it wont take more than a few hundred million dollars for Pakistan to build its own side and connect it to the Sui gas network.

It is abundantly clear that Pakistan is not doing it primarily because of pressure from KSA and US and secondarily because Pakistan has a precarious financial position.

This has literally nothing to do with the sanctions on Iran. That is just a canard being used.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Considering that the pipeline cost was not big in the first place, unnecessary financing is not required. With the pipeline already sitting there at Pakistani borders it wont take more than a few hundred million dollars for Pakistan to build its own side and connect it to the Sui gas network.

It is abundantly clear that Pakistan is not doing it primarily because of pressure from KSA and US and secondarily because Pakistan has a precarious financial position.

This has literally nothing to do with the sanctions on Iran. That is just a canard being used.

Look we can all spin constipated conspiracy theories on PDF. You will not be the first or even the last. Men in our part of the world love to orgasm by spinning long yarn of conspiracy theories.

So you forward a conspiracy theory (now that you ran out of cash option)
and come back with USA/KSA name drops (just like so many leftists and Islamists within Pakistan).

Well same can be said about any other country. you can take it on face value or spin the yarn.

you decide to be factual or simple minded spinner.

your choice.

 

[Judge]

Look we can all spin constipated conspiracy theories on PDF. You will not be the first or even the last. Men in our part of the world love to orgasm by spinning long yarn of conspiracy theories.

So you forward a conspiracy theory (now that you ran out of cash option)
and come back with USA/KSA name drops (just like so many leftists and Islamists within Pakistan).

Well same can be said about any other country. you can take it on face value or spin the yarn.

you decide to be factual or simple minded spinner.

your choice.

These are not conspiracy theories - they are backed by facts.

1. Which are the two nations who are championing the cause of sanctioning Iran - KSA and USA.
2. Which nation tried to coerce India into stopping IPI - USA
3. Which nation when it failed to coerce, resorted to offering India a better deal than IPI in exchange for dropping IPI - USA

4. Which two nations have the maximum amount of influence on what action Pakistan takes - USA and KSA.
5. Pakistan went ahead and signed the deal despite India refraining from doing so after sitting down for prolonged commercial negotiations which failed.

Are you suggesting that Pakistani officials negotiating with Iran were cut-off from the world and did not know that Iran was under sanctions during the agreement signing b/w Iran and Pakistan?

If not, then how is it that as soon as the GoP changed - from Zardari to Nawaz Sharif, the same 'sanctions' became the reason for literally leaving Iran high and dry and having already built its part of the pipeline?

I never indulge in conspiracy theories Sir. I deal with facts. I also know the extremes that Pakistan goes to regularly to oblige the wishes of US and Saudi Arabia.

 

[FaujHistorian]

These are not conspiracy theories - they are backed by facts.

1. Which are the two nations who are championing the cause of sanctioning Iran - KSA and USA.
2. Which nation tried to coerce India into stopping IPI - USA
3. Which nation when it failed to coerce, resorted to offering India a better deal than IPI in exchange for dropping IPI - USA

4. Which two nations have the maximum amount of influence on what action Pakistan takes - USA and KSA.
5. Pakistan went ahead and signed the deal despite India refraining from doing so after sitting down for prolonged commercial negotiations which failed.

Are you suggesting that Pakistani officials negotiating with Iran were cut-off from the world and did not know that Iran was under sanctions during the agreement signing b/w Iran and Pakistan?

If not, then how is it that as soon as the GoP changed - from Zardari to Nawaz Sharif, the same 'sanctions' became the reason for literally leaving Iran high and dry and having already built its part of the pipeline?

I never indulge in conspiracy theories Sir. I deal with facts. I also know the extremes that Pakistan goes to regularly to oblige the wishes of US and Saudi Arabia.

There are plenty of baboos and politicians who use Iran for narrow political purposes

And people like you get all antsy believing them.


It is time to use your own head instead of giving one.

 

[Judge]

There are plenty of baboos and politicians who use Iran for narrow political purposes

And people like you get all antsy believing them.


It is time to use your own head instead of giving one.

Sir the facts are on the ground. Whether you choose to look at them or not is your decision.

1. Pakistan signed the deal with Iran when sanctions were already present.
2. Pakistan stuck with the deal while Iran was building its side of the pipeline - again while sanctions were already present.
3. Suddenly when the Government in Pakistan changed, Pakistan says 'sanctions' are the reason why it can not go ahead with the deal.

4. This despite the fact that notably India and China are paying billions of dollars to Iran each year as payment for oil.

Whichever way you choose to look at it, there is no escaping these facts.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sir the facts are on the ground. Whether you choose to look at them or not is your decision.

1. Pakistan signed the deal with Iran when sanctions were already present.
2. Pakistan stuck with the deal while Iran was building its side of the pipeline - again while sanctions were already present.
3. Suddenly when the Government in Pakistan changed, Pakistan says 'sanctions' are the reason why it can not go ahead with the deal.

4. This despite the fact that notably India and China are paying billions of dollars to Iran each year as payment for oil.

Whichever way you choose to look at it, there is no escaping these facts.

Ok meray bhai,

why do we have this "para-ay ke shaadi main Abdullah diwana" syndrome?

 

[Judge]

Ok meray bhai,

why do we have this "para-ay ke shaadi main Abdullah diwana" syndrome?

Build what Sir?

 

[SBD-3]

Good stance.

It was inevitable.....

 

[SBD-3]

Standard Chartered was fined by US for handeling Iranian money and HSBC paid 1.96 Billion USD fine for allegedly laundering money for Iran-Sudan.
Standard Chartered Pays $327 Million on U.S.-Iran Transfers - Bloomberg
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/643a6c06-42f0-11e2-aa8f-00144feabdc0.html

GoP will settle the Iranian electricity dues by exporting rice in consideration.
Pakistan to export rice, wheat to Iran - thenews.com.pk

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Pakistan must build this pipeline for our economic interests. The pressure of USA and Saudi Arabia must be ignored when our long term economic development is at stake.

 

[Daneshmand]

Pakistan in dire need of gas from Iran: Minister

ISLAMABAD: Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said that the country was in dire need of having gas from neighboring Iran.

In an exclusive interview with IRNA on Saturday, Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said that so far, Pakistan has spent tens of millions of dollars for importing gas from Iran.

'There is no doubt in Pakistan's serious intention for implementing the gas pipeline project with Iran,' he added.

The country's South Western neighbor, Iran, ranks second in the world in natural gas resources, he said, "Having a neighbor with abundant gas reserves is invaluable opportunity for Pakistan" he added.

We will not lose such a valuable chance and it is mulling to construct three or more pipeline projects aiming at import gas from Iran, the minister further added.