Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[Hussein]

And PS that family of mine that you are accusing of taking away the jobs of some, are them self Bahrain's and is the 5th generation that is growing up in that country. They earn their share of the bread by hard work, and competing with others in an open business market. Not working in some ministerial job. Not that I owed you this explanation, but so that you would know. No one is stopping others from doing that work. And there are many shias who are wealthy business owners. If the shias want to act more like Iranians then a citizen of Bahrain whose fault is it.

there were always Iranians arabs there they had their own culture until English people decided to make a hell
and give power to a minority
The mod is saying i should refrain but he didn't understand: it is exactly the opposite: i didn't like we speak abour religious differences
the fact is that you didn't car about the rights of the people there and only speak about the propaganda of a regime of a minority

would you accept in Pakistan a minority, let's say christians, have the power and all army, all good jobs are for christians?
would you accept that when you are muslim you are not allowed for many jobs?

this is the most important fact
you just always ignore it. that's a shame. the fact you have a so bad consideration about human beings;.. is something i was not teached in my religion. it is exatly the opposite. i don't understand how someone who accepts and applaudes a regime who is doing such policy.. can consider himself muslim

whatever the good point for me is that when i discuss abot it with americans or europeans or even indonesians friends and many other nationalities
they agree with my point of view.

whatever you pointless , dispect all the american articles published early these few months, that shias didn't suffer injustice, we know it is a big lie

 

[clmeta]

When has Saudi Arabia interfered in Bahrain? These nations had a defence pact, so Saudi Arabia is acting in accordance with that pact by sending troops into Bahrain.

Brother...if Bahrain had a pact with US and US soldiers had arrived there- Would you not call it intererence?

 

[Majnun]

Brother...if Bahrain had a pact with US and US soldiers had arrived there- Would you not call it intererence?

I might not like it, but if they had signed a pact and Bahrain govenrment called on US soldiers, by all means, its not interference. However, it would be another stain on the US record, who show themselves as the defenders of liberty, justice and freedom.

 

[RazorMC]

^^ That depends on who is speaking about the events.
Government would say pact, opposition would call it invasion.

But a US intervention will definitely be the final card if all else fails.

 

[Majnun]

^^ That depends on who is speaking about the events.
Government would say pact, opposition would call it invasion.

But a US intervention will definitely be the final card if all else fails.

Do they have some treaty or pact with Bahrain?

 

[RazorMC]

... would you accept in Pakistan a minority, let's say christians, have the power and all army, all good jobs are for christians?
would you accept that when you are muslim you are not allowed for many jobs?...

The majority of the people in many Gulf States are not the nationals. It is the foreigners who form the majority.
So by your statement, they should all come out onto the streets and demand change ?

 

[RazorMC]

Do they have some treaty or pact with Bahrain?

Many GCC countries have agreements and close relations with the US, maybe except Oman to some extent.
KSA power structure has full US support btw.

But there are signs that the US policies may see some shift in the near future because there is a growing demand in the US to reduce foreign intervention and adopt a slightly more isolationist approach or one with less involvement. Events in Iraq and Afghanistan have played a large part here.

 

[clmeta]

I might not like it, but if they had signed a pact and Bahrain govenrment called on US soldiers, by all means, its not interference. However, it would be another stain on the US record, who show themselves as the defenders of liberty, justice and freedom.

Well I take your point but if US had done it 90% would call it intervention. Just because KSA is a Muslim country opinion is divided. Event this division of opinion is between Shia and Sunni. Strange world where right or wrong depends on religion.

 

[Hussein]

The majority of the people in many Gulf States are the nationals. It is the foreigners who form the majority.
So by your statement, they should all come out onto the streets and demand change ?

a lie is as well when you only say half of the facts.

For exemple, in Emirates they are a lot of foreigners but when you do a business there people of Emirates take a large profit of it
and there is no majority of the population living poor when a few live much better

that is what happening in Bahrain

I have part of a business in Emirates and a foreigner is obliged to find a emirati partner
and should i remind you that the bad jobs are made by the poor people of amny Asian countries .. and that sometimes employers steal their passports? there the problem is not like in Bahrain the first victimes are the poor people working there (some of them)

in Bahrain they do everything so sunnis come
it is something which doesn't exist in Emirates: they don't make sunnis come to counterbalance another religious or ethnical majority

so Bahrain is tipycal state of segregation !

thank you for your participation

 

[Majnun]

Well I take your point but if US had done it 90% would call it intervention. Just because KSA is a Muslim country opinion is divided. Event this division of opinion is between Shia and Sunni. Strange world where right or wrong depends on religion.

Right and wrong all over the world depends on culture and value system. There is no fixed definition of right and wrong applicable to the whole world.
I am a Sunni and I admit Shias have been wronged in Bahrain. But that is not the issue here, the issue is Saudi Arabia and Iran's alleged involvement in events in Bahrain.

 

[Aslan]

there were always Iranians arabs there they had their own culture until English people decided to make a hell
and give power to a minority
The mod is saying i should refrain but he didn't understand: it is exactly the opposite: i didn't like we speak abour religious differences
the fact is that you didn't car about the rights of the people there and only speak about the propaganda of a regime of a minority

would you accept in Pakistan a minority, let's say christians, have the power and all army, all good jobs are for christians?
would you accept that when you are muslim you are not allowed for many jobs?

this is the most important fact
you just always ignore it. that's a shame. the fact you have a so bad consideration about human beings;.. is something i was not teached in my religion. it is exatly the opposite. i don't understand how someone who accepts and applaudes a regime who is doing such policy.. can consider himself muslim

whatever the good point for me is that when i discuss abot it with americans or europeans or even indonesians friends and many other nationalities
they agree with my point of view.

whatever you pointless , dispect all the american articles published early these few months, that shias didn't suffer injustice, we know it is a big lie

As the saying goes same sh!t different day, same is the case with you, take the same old cr@p blend it with a veil of fancy emotional dushiness and start accusing the other of the same thing again and again. When the other person is not even saying what he is being accused of at the first place. Nice logic, kinda remind me of the strategy that Hitler used. I can post those lines here if you want me to. Heck for your convenience I will do that, but then again lets not do that. I didnt know that the differences between the Shias and the Sunnis were so huge that you had to put Pakistan under a christian regime to make the comparison. And also what the mod had told you was to mind your self, who gave you the right and or shall I very politely put it to you who the hell in this world are you to question my believe. Who gave you the moral authority to do so. What level of religiosity are you sitting on to issue verdicts on others believes. To me you are just pathetic to even start with, because you not only are accusing me of things I have not even said, you intern are ignorant enough to start questioning my believe.

As you have already concluded that I am not sympathetic to the suffering of the people of Bahrain based on my believe, now tell me (Mr. I can tell it all), how much of a noise do you Iranians make when your own Shia regime goes on hanging the Sunnis of Sistan Balichistan for public spectacles. How much rights do they have. Can you please care to shed some light on that. Also while we are at it and still in Iran please also do make sure to put some light on what happen with the people who were demonstrating for their rights in Tehran. And lets move out a little, going west, can you also condemn your govs role in helping the Gov of Syria in suppressing the Sunnis there who are by the way in majority. And so forth and so on.

Now let me also tell you while the whole thing is being discussed, sometimes it is better to read and read again if your mind is on the slower side. As my signature says "one should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity". So dont be so predictable.

And as you like to not read and make assumptions, I will also tell you this, out of my 2 best friends 1 is a Shia whom I have not only known for about 15 years now but we are family if you want to call it that. And also there are many Shias in my family, just so that you would know.

And I dont want to type the whole thing again and again, make sure you go back and read my previous post which was after and in reply to yours where you showed your true colors. And you will get a very clear idea of where I stand about many things.

And after writing the above I also think that I have wasted enough time with a person like you who didnt deserve to be paid attention to at the first place. Thanks and have a nice life.

 

[Hussein]

It would be better you answer about the Bahrain instead of making stories of your imagination like:

1/ i remind you logic of Hitler. LOL but what is the logic you speak about? can you be more accurate?
you think because you try to demonize me that it gives credit to what you say?

2/ "Sistan Balichistan" write it correctly first
I said in this forum and always blame that sunnis are not respected enough in my country.

3/ Syria
Yes this is almost a same problem. And i wish the majority having the rights and the power of democracy meaning choosing their government
I never like any segregation state
like Bahrain is and that you are happy of it. Myself, whom you compare to nazi lol, i am not happy about Syria, and any par tof the world with segregation. I never defend any state or any policy with segregation rule. You do.

4/ and now you discover shias in your family which gives credit to your support for segregation
wow ! what a master of humanism you are!
who is Hitler kind of?

 

[Aslan]

A wise man once told me argue with a fool and he will definetly drag you to his level. I sure an regretting the fact that I had not learned that lesson a long time ago and now I have to go through this. Any ways;

It would be better you answer about the Bahrain instead of making stories of your imagination like:

1/ i remind you logic of Hitler. LOL but what is the logic you speak about? can you be more accurate?
you think because you try to demonize me that it gives credit to what you say?

Funny that you say that I am demonizing you just because I mentioned Hitler, and yet it is you that is constantly accusing me of not being a good Muslim.

2/ "Sistan Balichistan" write it correctly first
I said in this forum and always blame that sunnis are not respected enough in my country.

So now I have written it wrong because it dont look Persian enough. Thank you professor.

3/ Syria
Yes this is almost a same problem. And i wish the majority having the rights and the power of democracy meaning choosing their government
I never like any segregation state
like Bahrain is and that you are happy of it. Myself, whom you compare to nazi lol, i am not happy about Syria, and any par tof the world with segregation. I never defend any state or any policy with segregation rule. You do.


4/ and now you discover shias in your family which gives credit to your support for segregation
wow ! what a master of humanism you are!
who is Hitler kind of?

I hope that you do remember where our debate started from, if not which I am sure that you dont. Please do back read it again. Highlight my defense of and or my condoning of killing of Shias in Bahrain and put it forward. Lets say put your money where your mouth is, and I will man up and apologize to not only you but every one else.

 

[Hussein]

this is the only way you can answer? saying people are Hitler ?
wow

i said that i didn't consider someone can say him a muslim or a jew or a christian which means faith, which means ruling its life towards the good, the truth, and so, when this someone is applauding the segregation and making the propaganda to serve the interests of a segregation policy
is that difficult to understand or should i draw you a little cartoon so you could get it?

 

[Aslan]

@ Hussein

Stop acting so stupid, and listen with open ears. I already asked you can you prove it to me that I at even one point either applauded the segregation, and or the killing or discriminations of Shias put it forward. My post was in criticism of the Iranian gov to which you took offense and starting coming up with one bs after another. So either man up show me where I had done what you accuse me of, or shut up. And if you cant do either and still will cary on spewing your well you know what, and will go on having the verbal diarrhea, where you will keep on accusing me with out proof, then I will just do what I should have done, and what I told you that I will do.