Iran, major powers reach historic nuclear deal

[Indika]

Israel is paranoid. When your survival is at stake, paranoia becomes necessary.

Israel and USA are hand in glove never underestimate them. The drama baazi of israel is mainly for saudi consumption.

 

[-SINAN-]

This idiot made a Farsi Twitter acciount yesterday Tweeting in Farsi to 'reach out' to Iranians. The dumbass was saying to Iranians that ending sanctions against your country is not in your interests and that it would end badly for you! Although, Iranians answered him properly in his page.

I bet, he thinks himself as a genius.

 

[Aramagedon]

Amen to that

Ameen

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Bad news for India. Now China and Pakistan will take away the Chabahar port from you Bharatis!!

Bye bye Chabahar. China and Pakistan will rule the middle east.

please explain how?

 

[-SINAN-]

What is Turkmanchay?

Türkmençay Antlaşması - Vikipedi

Ameen

Really, i would expect a "We are not gonna do any business with the Turks"

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What is Turkmanchay?

watch out the false flaggers and please don flame for once

This idiot made a Farsi Twitter acciount yesterday Tweeting in Farsi to 'reach out' to Iranians. The dumbass was saying to Iranians that ending sanctions against your country is not in your interests and that it would end badly for you! Although, Iranians answered him properly in his page.

clearly there will be false flaggers out there posting grammatically wrong Persian to vent their frustration

Türkmençay Antlaşması - Vikipedi


Really, i would expect a "We are not gonna do any business with the Turks"

love wins in the end

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Israel is paranoid. When your survival is at stake, paranoia becomes necessary.

Israel has plenty of nukes, and plenty of second-strike options including submarine-launched cruise missiles (which can be armed with nuclear warheads).

Shouldn't Israel be happy though, I mean Iran are opening their sites to inspection? Which means Iran is less likely to be able to make nukes (if you assume they wanted them)?

 

[Aramagedon]

Türkmençay Antlaşması - Vikipedi


Really, i would expect a "We are not gonna do any business with the Turks"

I don't hate Turks I hate AKP. We can even have better ties and business in future.

 

[Daneshmand]

Congrats to all Iranian members, @Daneshmand , some detail's if you could. Thank you. What is Iran achieving from this deal and similar questions.

Well for this you need to know the history of Iran's nuclear program and what Iran wanted from it. In short, Iran has achieved most of its objectives (though not all). For Iran the nuclear program was to be bulwark against hegemony of Western powers. Iran has been suspicious of Western powers ambitions since at least 16th century. Not only in military dimension, but also and of equal importance in economic sphere.

To break this hegemony, Iran needed a tool that could apply to deter the Western powers from trying to dominate Iran. One way would have been for Iran to go full nuclear. This would have guaranteed Iran's military security but at the cost of economic security. The other way was for Iran to basically stand in the middle, letting the West be perpetually afraid of Iran going nuclear and through this extract security both in military and economic spheres. Iran chose the second option. Still this deal does not mean it can not go down the drain as other deals did, and it does not mean Iran will not go fully nuclear in future depending on different circumstances.

As long as the technical capability exists, the threat is always there. What this deal does, puts the pressure on West. Now West has two options. Either it will have to reach a strategic understanding with Iran, as it did with China in 1972 and accepts Iran as a sovereign and independent power with legitimate interests not necessarily in line with West. Or the West refuses to reach to this understanding and the deal will eventually unravel in future, in a slow motion fashion. The onus now is on the West. It will be Obama and his Western counter-parts who will have to fight an up-hill battle to convince their public, Israel and political structure of their countries of a deal. Iran will just enjoy the show now.

 

[WAJsal]

Well for this you need to know the history of Iran's nuclear program and what Iran wanted from it. In short, Iran has achieved most of its objectives (though not all). For Iran the nuclear program was to be bulwark against hegemony of Western powers. Iran has been suspicious of Western powers ambitions since at least 16th century. Not only in military dimension, but also and of equal importance in economic sphere.

To break this hegemony, Iran needed a tool that could apply to deter the Western powers from trying to dominate Iran. One way would have been for Iran to go full nuclear. This would have guaranteed Iran's military security but at the cost of economic security. The other way was for Iran to basically stand in the middle, letting the West be perpetually afraid of Iran going nuclear and through this extract security both in military and economic spheres. Iran chose the second option. Still this deal does mean it can not go down the drain as other deals did, and it does not mean Iran will not go fully nuclear in future depending on different circumstances.

As long as the technical capability exists, the threat is always there. What this deal does, puts the pressure on West. Now West has two options. Either it will have to reach a strategic understanding with Iran, as it did with China in 1972 and accepts Iran as a sovereign and independent power with legitimate interests not necessarily in line with West. Or the West refuses to reach to this understanding and the deal will eventually unravel in future, in a slow motion fashion. The onus now is on the West. It will be Obama and his Western counter-parts who will have to fight an up-hill battle to convince their public, Israel and political structure of their countries of a deal. Iran will just enjoy the show now.

Interesting.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Israel has plenty of nukes, and plenty of second-strike options including submarine-launched cruise missiles (which can be armed with nuclear warheads).

Shouldn't Israel be happy though, I mean Iran are opening their sites to inspection? Which means Iran is less likely to be able to make nukes (if you assume they wanted them)?

The purpose of a second strike arsenal is deterrence i.e no matter the nukes you use, I will be able to nuke you too so don't use them; not destruction. It works for rational players who don't want to die. I don't think it needs much explaining that the ALLAH-HU-AKBAR brigade is anything but rational.

Israel and USA are hand in glove never underestimate them. The drama baazi of israel is mainly for saudi consumption.

In the absence of supporting evidence, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory.
For Israel, Iranian nuke is the first step to Hamas nuke - UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[kez]

fantastic news!

 

[mohsen]

Israel has plenty of nukes, and plenty of second-strike options including submarine-launched cruise missiles (which can be armed with nuclear warheads).

Shouldn't Israel be happy though, I mean Iran are opening their sites to inspection? Which means Iran is less likely to be able to make nukes (if you assume they wanted them)?

we wont open the doors to our military sites, so how can they be sure about a secret facility in our military sites?

 

[-SINAN-]

I don't hate Turks I hate erdogan. I hope he removes from the power asap, and we even have better ties and business.

From 5 years now on. Things would be very interesting. Iranians coming to IDEF, we are attending their defence industry fairs.....can't wait to see.

 

[atatwolf]

Probably Iran made more concessions than we know and was released in the media. Iran's sanctions getting lifted is a good thing economically for the region but not for Syria/Yemen situation. We might see things escalating if US didn't address Iran's foreign policy. Iran will have more money for terrorism financing. Not to mention Iran could start new fronts. Probably there is a secret clause dealing with Iran's foreign policy. I hope Iran keeps their word and the deal won't be jeopardized. In a sense it is good if the US and Israel keep a close eye on Iran's facilities. Iran's nuclear ability get's handicapped for 20 years. They have control over Iran's hazardous foreign policy and it is economically good for the region.