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Just curious, where is the center of the very early Mesopotamia civilization? I thought it is Baghdad.
southern iraq, Ubaid & Uruk, Sumer.
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Just curious, where is the center of the very early Mesopotamia civilization? I thought it is Baghdad.
Baghdad did not exist before the Islamic era, it was established during Abbasid rule.
I agree with parts of what you said. Indeed Parts of todays Iraq became part of different Iranian empires and dystasty for almost 1000 years before Islam arrived. So there was already an Iranian population and influence there. Read the following texts (also about Kufa and baghdad that you mentioned).Persia is in a mountanious region, the golden age of Islam took place during the Abbasid caliphate which its capitals were Kufa and Baghdad, not Persia, though Iraq was part of Persian dynasties before the whole Arab invasion, and it was mentioned as Iranian heartland, it still is not Persia. Most inventions took place in Baghdad though people from all over the caliphate came there to study.
We can see that in some city names or history of their establishment and Iranian cities that existed in the past in todays Iraq.
Baghdad was build by Iranian barmakids (the most acceptable theory is that Baghdad means god-given in persian). The caliph Al-Mansur commissioned the construction of the city and it was built under the supervision of the Barmakids.
Also the Sassanid place named Suristan became Kufah.
Anbar (from persian word of warehouse).
Muqdadiyah: The original name of the town is Shareban (kurdish: Şareban or شاره*بان, mentioned as such in the works of the classical writers such as Ptolemy and Strabo. Sharaban stands for a satrap.
And not to forget parthian-sassanid places such as Ctesiphon, Veh-Ardashir, Rumagan (al-Rumiya), Asbanbar, Budh-Ardashīr, Vologesocerta and others (I had not time to find them all).
Other Interesting material:
While defeating the forces of the Sassanid Empire there, the Muslim commander Utbah ibn Ghazwan erected his camp on the site of an old Persian settlement called Vaheštābād Ardašīr, which was destroyed by the Arabs. The name Al-Basrah, which in Arabic means "the over watching" or "the seeing everything", was given to it because of its role as a military base against the Sassanid Empire. However, other sources claim the name originates from the Persian word Bas-rāh or Bassorāh meaning "where many ways come together
The region of Fallujah was a part of the Sassanid Persian province of Anbar. The word anbar is Persian and means "warehouse". Known as Firuz Shapur or Perisapora during the Sassanian Era, it was one the main commercial center of the Lakhmid Kingdom.
The Nahrawan Canal (Arabic: قناة النهروان‎ was a major irrigation system of the Sassanid and early Islamic periods in central Iraq, along the eastern shore of the Tigris and the lower course of the Diyala River. Created in the 6th century, it reached its peak under the Abbasid Caliphate, when it served the main water supply for the Abbasid capital of Baghdad, while the regions irrigated by it served as the city's main breadbasket.
The first irrigation works along the Diyala River were undertaken in Parthian times. Indeed, it may be that the lower part of the Nahrawan Canal was originally the lower course of the Diyala.[1] The large-scale canal system of early medieval times however was created in the reign of the Sassanid ruler Khosrau I (531–579), who also established it as a separate administrative district (Bazidjan Khusraw). A treasury and mint were possibly established there.
Historically, and for most of Iran's history, Iraq was a core part of Iran (the capital province in many periods). It is where the Achaemenid capital Babylon, and the Parthian and Sassanian capital Ctesiphon were located. Even though Iraqis spoke Semitic rather than Iranic language, Iraq was always regarded as Irān (Iran proper); never as Anīrān (non-Iran).
Persian settlement in Iraq goes back to the 6th century BC when the Achaemenid Persians annexed Iraq (Babylonia) and its empire, and made Babylon their winter capital. Persians henceforth became a ruling minority in Iraq, and would rule Persia from Iraq for most of antiquity.
“ According to Sassanian documents, Persians distinguished two kinds of land within their empire: "Īrān" (Iran proper), and "Anīrān" (non-Iran). Iraq was considered to be part of Īrān.
As Wilhelm Eilers observes: "For the Sassanians, too [as it was for the Parthians], the lowlands of Iraq constituted the heart of their dominions". This shows that Iraq was not simply part of the Persian Empire—it was the heart of Persia.
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During the Sassanid Empire, from the 3rd century to the 7th century, the major part of Iraq was called in Persian Del-e Īrānshahr (lit. "The Heart of Iran"), and its metropolis Ctesiphon (not far from present-day Baghdad) functioned for more than 800 years as the capital city of Iran.
The Babylonian aristocracy became increasingly Persianized and commonly intermarried with Persian families, who likewise became increasingly Aramaicized. Culturally, there was very little to distinguish Aramaean notables from their Persian counterparts in the Sassanid era.
Persian settlement in Iraq continued throughout the Islamic Golden Age. Many Persians settled in Iraq during the Abbasid era and many important figures from this period are Iraqi Persians.
Once again, the thread has descended into what happened 1000 years ago.
There is a reason America leads the world: they look at the next 1000 years, not the last.
Once again, the thread has descended into what happened 1000 years ago.
There is a reason America leads the world: they look at the next 1000 years, not the last.
There is nothing wrong with discussions about ancient history.
Because America does not HAVE a "last 1000 years".
Of course, but the rest of your post proves that most of these discussions here are about bashing others.
in None of my comment do I bash any race, religion, sect within islam, etc...
A discussion about Iran's future in science has now turned into a discussion about the spread of Islam.
I am not blaming any one person, but this is what I meant by threads going off the rails.