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Russia replaced Israeli avionics and now you are salty and frustrated :lol:

Dropping grenades from drones while using servos and an iPhone from half a mile away is completely different from integrating guided weapons for day and night use from hundreds of kms.
All you showed is Israeli Searcher with some bomb attached. What does it prove? - Nothing at all. At least ISIS attachment bombs proved to be combat effective.

The Orion-E has been operating over Syria.
No its not. This is Searcher in Syria, there was never any evidence of Orion there. For sure not operational.


Israel lost that many soldiers In 4 weeks while fighting in open areas with clear weather. Russia was fighting in mountainous areas during foggy and snowy conditions wich renders heavy amor and aviation useless.
I repeat: Israel pacified Hezbollah in 4 weeks losing 121 soldiers. Russia lost 12,000 soldiers and pays ransom to Chechen warlord who killed Russian soldiers. Russia takes money from old poor Russians and gives money to Chechen warlord so he could buy his 30th Rolls Royse.

As for mountains. Here the map:

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99% of 1 million Chechen population lives in open low plains and virtually all the fighting was there. Mountains are empty.

In Lebanon situation is totally different. 5 million people live in mountain area:

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Even pics u posted prove that mountains are empty.

Watch the video before making claims. Israel sure does treat many Palestinians including innocent ones that Israel shoots at. After shooting at unharmed journalists and people in wheelchair Israeli goes into damage control and does PR stunts :lol:
I watched video. He did not admit anything at all.
 
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Hold up bro. Is an Israeli complaining someone else isnt following UN resolutions? you hypocrite. Considering Israel isnt following multiple UN resolutions, you have no right to speak on that.
No. They are hypocrites, they are crying out about Israel breaking UN resolutions while they never followed themin the first place.
 
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No. They are hypocrites, they are crying out about Israel breaking UN resolutions while they never followed themin the first place.
THey are militia while you are a country. Who do you think looks more rogue when they dont follow UN sanctions? I know for a fact Israel cant/wont do anything that reduces its strategic advantage, be it land, right of return etc. Undercover you all are so afraid of being seen as "weaker" or less strong.but y'all gonna grow up sooner or later. Eventually karma gonna getcha. cheers.
 
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All you showed is Israeli Searcher with some bomb attached. What does it prove? - Nothing at all. At least ISIS attachment bombs proved to be combat effective.



It proves you have autism. Show me ISIS having integrating satellite guided munitions. Show me ISIS operating drones from hundreds of km away. Show me ISIS creating data-link systems that can communicate with aircraft and ground stations.


ISIS uses off the shelf civilian drones with a radius of about a mile, they attach grenades to a servo and use a cell phone to aim, to someone with autism that equals the capabilities of the Forepost-M.
Russia integrated sophisticated data-link systems, satellite weapons as well as other features into the Searcher. Clearly it was not "the best" if Russia replaced Israeli systems and added features that it lacked.




No its not. This is Searcher in Syria, there was never any evidence of Orion there. For sure not operational.


Orion-E filmed over Idlib:



Even Corsair UAV has flown hundreds of missions over Syria but you will deny everything. When multitudes of evidence is presented to you, you just ignore it :lol:





I repeat: Israel pacified Hezbollah in 4 weeks losing 121 soldiers. Russia lost 12,000 soldiers and pays ransom to Chechen warlord who killed Russian soldiers. Russia takes money from old poor Russians and gives money to Chechen warlord so he could buy his 30th Rolls Royse.




Hold on.......:rofl:



Here are facts that anyone can cross check:


1. Israel failed to destroy Hezbollah.

2. Hezbollah is bigger in numbers and more powerful today then it was in 2006.

3. Hezbolla continues to attack Israel.

4. Israeli got humiliated in 2006 and retreated like cowards without finishing what they set out to do.

5. Israelis lost dozens of tanks, light armored vehicles, aircraft and suffered over 1,000 casualties in 4 weeks, they killed nearly 1,000 civilians and caused billions of dollars in damages to civilians infrastructure.

6. Israelis would get curb stomped in Chechnya, Degestan and Ingushetia where their tanks, aircraft and drones would be worthless in the harsh snow covered mountainous areas that are covered with fog.




As for mountains. Here the map:

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99% of 1 million Chechen population lives in open low plains and virtually all the fighting was there. Mountains are empty.

In Lebanon situation is totally different. 5 million people live in mountain area:





Once again, the Chechen war was fought in Degestan and Ingushetia as well (something you keep ignoring for years). All mountainous regions,

As for population. Get some facts right.


Dagestan 2.9 million
Ingushetia 1.4 million
Chechnya 1.1 million


The regions had over 5 million inhabitants, not like it matters since a lot of the fighters came from all over Russia and the Middle East and they passed through Georgia but actual facts arnt important to you.

And most of the fighting was in the mountainous areas where Terrorists, tried to cross from neighboring Republic or Georgia and or they tried to set up supply routes.






Even pics u posted prove that mountains are empty.


You are dumber then a bag of rocks. All those Hezbollah ambushes on Israelis were in empty plains or fields. Must mean no Hezbollah was present then :lol:

The entire point is to use the least inhabited areas as to remain undetected and surprise the enemy.





Where fighting took place in 2nd Chechen war:

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Some typography of the area:

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How it actually was:

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I watched video. He did not admit anything at all.



You didn't watch shit, he did admit that Israel was aiding wounded Al-Quida. You are just in complete denial.
 

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It proves you have autism. Show me ISIS having integrating satellite guided munitions. Show me ISIS operating drones from hundreds of km away. Show me ISIS creating data-link systems that can communicate with aircraft and ground stations.


ISIS uses off the shelf civilian drones with a radius of about a mile, they attach grenades to a servo and use a cell phone to aim, to someone with autism that equals the capabilities of the Forepost-M.
Russia integrated sophisticated data-link systems, satellite weapons as well as other features into the Searcher. Clearly it was not "the best" if Russia replaced Israeli systems and added features that it lacked.
All the proof u had is some bomb under Israeli Searcher wing. Even ISIS can do it. And unlike Russia ISIS bombs proved their effectiveness.


Orion-E filmed over Idlib:

Its not Orion, its Iranian RC toy. Anyway it is not operational and still tested.

Here are facts that anyone can cross check:


1. Israel failed to destroy Hezbollah.

2. Hezbollah is bigger in numbers and more powerful today then it was in 2006.

3. Hezbolla continues to attack Israel.

4. Israeli got humiliated in 2006 and retreated like cowards without finishing what they set out to do.

5. Israelis lost dozens of tanks, light armored vehicles, aircraft and suffered over 1,000 casualties in 4 weeks, they killed nearly 1,000 civilians and caused billions of dollars in damages to civilians infrastructure.

6. Israelis would get curb stomped in Chechnya, Degestan and Ingushetia where their tanks, aircraft and drones would be worthless in the harsh snow covered mountainous areas that are covered with fog.
Israel achieved everthing it wanted: Hezbollah is pacified and pushed away from the border. Israel suffered 100 times less casualties than Russia vs. rag tag militias.



Once again, the Chechen war was fought in Degestan and Ingushetia as well (something you keep ignoring for years). All mountainous regions,

As for population. Get some facts right.


Dagestan 2.9 million
Ingushetia 1.4 million
Chechnya 1.1 million
Virtually all the fighting was in Chechnya. In Dagestan there were only 4 tiny villages which Russia wiped from the air.

That's another point I missed: Russia can slaughter tens of thousands civilians without any mercy. Israel can't do that both for moral and political reasons.

Where fighting took place in 2nd Chechen war:
Spare me of these dots. I repeat. virtually all Chechen population lives in low open plains. That's fact. Once u capture these plains u basically did 99% of the job. After that u need just to bomb small groups which escaped to empty mountains.

In Lebanon situation is totally different. Millions people live in mountains. When you fight in Lebanon u need to capture hundreds of mountain villages and towns. And We can't level them like Russia did.

You didn't watch shit, he did admit that Israel was aiding wounded Al-Quida. You are just in complete denial.
No he did not. Bring exact quote instead repeating like a parrot.
 
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THey are militia while you are a country. Who do you think looks more rogue when they dont follow UN sanctions? I know for a fact Israel cant/wont do anything that reduces its strategic advantage, be it land, right of return etc. Undercover you all are so afraid of being seen as "weaker" or less strong.but y'all gonna grow up sooner or later. Eventually karma gonna getcha. cheers.
Well suck it. The UN can go **** themselves, as well as Hezbollah. We shouldn't be entitled to any rules when our enemy doesn't play by them.
 
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All the proof u had is some bomb under Israeli Searcher wing. Even ISIS can do it. And unlike Russia ISIS bombs proved their effectiveness.



Russia upgraded it's Searchers and added satellite guided munitions which got your panties in a bunch. The Forpost-M is far more capable then the Searcher and the Orion is in another league. As for ISIS. Most of the munitions they dropped missed, they only posted whatever rare hits they achieved for propaganda. I don't ever recall ISIS making satellite guided munitions and data links. Do you?

Your tactics:

1. Open your mouth, make moronic statements.
2. Get debunked with facts.
3. Repeat the same lies and lie even more when you are losing.
4. Repeat.


Let's me try your tactics, Israel doesn't have any indigenous munitions or any weapons of their own, they just use American munitions for propaganda and photoshop. Now prove me wrong. Anything you claim, I'll just refuse to believe by calling Israelis liars. That is how you argue. So yes continue believing Russian just attached some fake munitions on the Forepost-M it only make you look dumber.




Its not Orion, its Iranian RC toy. Anyway it is not operational and still tested.



The Orion-E is dark grey with a white nose random. Iranian drones are white and one color. But as usual you are caught lying :lol:

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Israel achieved everthing it wanted: Hezbollah is pacified and pushed away from the border.



What is "pacified"? You can't use the word defeated so it's comical seeing to trying to tap dance with vocabulary :lol:


1.Hezbollah is stronger today then it was in 2006.
2.Hezbollah still attacks Israel.
3.Hezbollah embarrassed Israel.
4. Israelis retreated and lost.




Israel suffered 100 times less casualties than Russia vs. rag tag militias.




Israel was fighting in clear weather conditions in the summer, in open terrain. Russia was fighting in the winter, during snow storms, fog, in high mountainous areas, cities and villages, where aviation and heavy armor can not operate.

When Israelis went into tiny village with armored brigades, and thousands of soldiers they were slaughtered then retreated against a couple dozen Heballah fighters. Now try fighting in Grozny or the Caucasus mountains. Israel never defeated Hezbollah, but instead retreated where as Russia finished the job. If Israel was to finish off Hezbollah it would take years and thousands of lives.




Virtually all the fighting was in Chechnya. In Dagestan there were only 4 tiny villages which Russia wiped from the air.



Caught lying again, even a simple Weki search will reveal that is bullshit:



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How many villages was that again?






That's another point I missed: Russia can slaughter tens of thousands civilians without any mercy. Israel can't do that both for moral and political reasons.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests


Killing and wounding 17,000 protesters including journalists, people in wheelchairs and kids is so compassionate. Even more compassionate is shooting at people's limbs and laughing on camera even though they will be amputated. Compassion is bulldozing neighborhoods, and blockading neighborhoods and aid.



Spare me of these dots. I repeat. virtually all Chechen population lives in low open plains. That's fact. Once u capture these plains u basically did 99% of the job. After that u need just to bomb small groups which escaped to empty mountains.



You have no idea what you're talking about. Most fighting was in mountainous areas. Its easy to cross check what I have said. Check the battle for Hill 776, it was a massive battle in the moutains, like dozens of other battles.

Terrorists sized a string of villages in Chechnya and Degestan but fled into the mountains. They would come from Georgia, Ingushetia, Degestan and Chechnya, many were Arabs or other foreigners.

And no I will not spare you those dots, it's called facts, something you obviously are uncomfortable with and deny without proof. Nothing you posted have any proof whatsoever.


Here you go, take it all it and learn. But I challenge you, disprove anything I posted. What are your facts. Instead of running your mouth, post some facts. Can't do it, all you do is sound like a broken record.


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No he did not. Bring exact quote instead repeating like a parrot.




He admitted to treating Al-Quida. The reporter asked about reports of Israel treating Al-Quida and the former Massad Chief didn't deny it, instead he said, "it's useful to deal with your enemies in a human way". (He admitted they are humane to Al-Quida). The reporter then asked about "blowback" from treating and aiding Al-Quida and again the former Massad head said there was "no blowback". Again acknowledge there treat Al-Quida but arnt afraid of the consequences.

This is like being questioned by police about helping robbers by responding 'well I was trying to be humane to the robber because they were riotous and needed money'. Then the police ask, are you worried about blowback like jail? Then the accomplice says no I'm not worried. It an obvious admission of guilt.
 
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Russia upgraded it's Searchers and added satellite guided munitions which got your panties in a bunch. The Forpost-M is far more capable then the Searcher and the Orion is in another league. As for ISIS. Most of the munitions they dropped missed, they only posted whatever rare hits they achieved for propaganda. I don't ever recall ISIS making satellite guided munitions and data links. Do you?

Your tactics:

1. Open your mouth, make moronic statements.
2. Get debunked with facts.
3. Repeat the same lies and lie even more when you are losing.
4. Repeat.


Let's me try your tactics, Israel doesn't have any indigenous munitions or any weapons of their own, they just use American munitions for propaganda and photoshop. Now prove me wrong. Anything you claim, I'll just refuse to believe by calling Israelis liars. That is how you argue. So yes continue believing Russian just attached some fake munitions on the Forepost-M it only make you look dumber.
You posted a pic of Searcher with some attached bomb and trying to say that itr proves that Russia is stronk. LOL. It only proves that Russia can attach bomb to Israeli drone nothing else.

The Orion-E is dark grey with a white nose random. Iranian drones are white and one color. But as usual you are caught lying :lol:

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Can't see a shyt on that blury pic. ANyway even ur boasting propagandists dopnt say that its operational.



What is "pacified"? You can't use the word defeated so it's comical seeing to trying to tap dance with vocabulary :lol:


1.Hezbollah is stronger today then it was in 2006.
2.Hezbollah still attacks Israel.
3.Hezbollah embarrassed Israel.
4. Israelis retreated and lost.
1. Prior 2006 Hezbollah had full control of South Lebanon. After they are pushed from the border replaced by Lebanese army and huge UN contingent.
2. Prior 2006 Hezbollah was attacking Israel on regular basis. After these attacks stopped.

I served there and saw all this with my own eyes. Obviously Israel won. All they can do is claim that they won just like they do with 1973 war.

* Russia lost over 12,000 soldiers.
* Hundreds of thousands of Russians was ethnically cleansed from Chechnya.
* Russia pays billions of ransom to Chehceh warlord who killed Russian soldiers.

Caught lying again, even a simple Weki search will reveal that is bullshit:
A small group of Chechens captured 4 tiny villages. Russia flattened these villages with all inhabitants.

Killing and wounding 17,000 protesters including journalists, people in wheelchairs and kids is so compassionate. Even more compassionate is shooting at people's limbs and laughing on camera even though they will be amputated. Compassion is bulldozing neighborhoods, and blockading neighborhoods and aid.
U count everyone who inhales little tear gas as wounded, what a clown.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Most fighting was in mountainous areas. Its easy to cross check what I have said. Check the battle for Hill 776, it was a massive battle in the moutains, like dozens of other battles.
I repeat 1001th time: virtually all Chechen population lives in low open planes: 100-200 m above the sea. Mountains are empty.

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Here elevation of major Chechen towns and villages with most of fighting:
Grozny - 125 m
Urus Martan - 235 m
Gudermes - 80 m
Argun - 120 m
Shali - 220 m
Bachi Yurt - 220 m
Kurchaloy - 170 m
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"it's useful to deal with your enemies in a human way".
Thats all? LOL. According to u that proves that Israel trained AL Qaeda? LOL.
 
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You posted a pic of Searcher with some attached bomb and trying to say that itr proves that Russia is stronk. LOL. It only proves that Russia can attach bomb to Israeli drone nothing else.



Keep digging yourself in an ever bigger hole and exposing yourself as a moron. The claim was made by you that the Searcher is "the best" that Russia has. I clearly proved that Russia modified the Searcher with Russian systems and added features it never had so it clearly was not the best, nor is it anywhere near the Orion in terms of capability and performance but only someone that has been completely shit on and lacks all technical knowledge can make such a desperate comparison as comparing ISIS DJ Phantom drones, wich use a cell phones for targeting and a grenade :lol:

Russia has satellite guided munitions that can be fired at standoff distance, Russia also integrated an advanced data-link and is working on a radar for the Forepost-M/Searcher, which it lacked when Russia purchased the Searcher. Now show me ISIS developing guided munitions or anything of that nature.


Russia developed a unique data link for the Forepost-M, this is just so easy I guess any idiot can do it. Even a generic data-link system like the one below is way over your head to comprehend.



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Now tell everyone what is required to even install pylons on an aircraft. Such as engineering, calculations and data integration. It must be so simple give everyone a detailed explanation.






Can't see a shyt on that blury pic. ANyway even ur boasting propagandists dopnt say that its operational.



I can see the pic/video clear as day. Its obviously an Orion, the dark paint and white random are clearly evident which is unique to the Orion.



1. Prior 2006 Hezbollah had full control of South Lebanon. After they are pushed from the border replaced by Lebanese army and huge UN contingent.
2. Prior 2006 Hezbollah was attacking Israel on regular basis. After these attacks stopped.




Hezbollah has attacked Israeli forces or Israel directly many times since 2006. :lol:


2018:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IF28D


2015:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Shebaa_farms_incident


Obviously high on your own propaganda.





* Russia lost over 12,000 soldiers.
* Hundreds of thousands of Russians was ethnically cleansed from Chechnya.
* Russia pays billions of ransom to Chehceh warlord who killed Russian soldiers.



Israel was fighting in open country, with clear weather and had the advantage of using tanks, APC, air-power and artillery, and still suffered over a thousand casualties in 4 weeks while losing a lot of material equipment. Russia suffered heavy losses because it stayed and finished the job, as well as had to fight in much tougher conditions which favored the enemy. Russia could have also declared victory after 4 weeks too.

Israelis could not even take a tiny village with a few dozen Hezbollah fighters, even after using thousands of soldiers with armored brigades and airpower. I would love to see Israel take Grozny.





A small group of Chechens captured 4 tiny villages. Russia flattened these villages with all inhabitants.





Again that is an outright lie. A simple Weki search will reveal that you are lying. 12 Degestani villages were seized (all mountainous villages which you denied).



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U count everyone who inhales little tear gas as wounded, what a clown.




I agree you are a clown. I didn't know tear gas caused limbs to be amputated:

Is it a normal thing to attack people in wheelchairs in Israel and shoot at journalists?


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I repeat 1001th time: virtually all Chechen population lives in low open planes: 100-200 m above the sea. Mountains are empty.

800px-Chechen_Republic_relief_location_map.jpg


Here elevation of major Chechen towns and villages with most of fighting:
Grozny - 125 m
Urus Martan - 235 m
Gudermes - 80 m
Argun - 120 m
Shali - 220 m
Bachi Yurt - 220 m
Kurchaloy - 170 m
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And I repeat a thousand times you are clueless. Grozny was a large urban city, it was extremely difficult to take. No one said it was in the moutains, but many battles such as Hill 776 and the battle at Gimry was. It was heavily wooded and foggy in those areas, as well as difficult for aircraft and armor to operate. There were countless skirmishes and battles in heavily wooded mountainous areas.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Height_776


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimry_fighting



Thats all? LOL. According to u that proves that Israel trained AL Qaeda? LOL.




No, clear the wax out of your ears. I said Israelis aided Al-Quida, which the former head of Massad acknowledged.
 
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Keep digging yourself in an ever bigger hole and exposing yourself as a moron. The claim was made by you that the Searcher is "the best" that Russia has. I clearly proved that Russia modified the Searcher with Russian systems and added features it never had so it clearly was not the best, nor is it anywhere near the Orion in terms of capability and performance but only someone that has been completely shit on and lacks all technical knowledge can make such a desperate comparison as comparing ISIS DJ Phantom drones, wich use a cell phones for targeting and a grenade :lol:

Russia has satellite guided munitions that can be fired at standoff distance, Russia also integrated an advanced data-link and is working on a radar for the Forepost-M/Searcher, which it lacked when Russia purchased the Searcher. Now show me ISIS developing guided munitions or anything of that nature.


Russia developed a unique data link for the Forepost-M, this is just so easy I guess any idiot can do it. Even a generic data-link system like the one below is way over your head to comprehend.



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Now tell everyone what is required to even install pylons on an aircraft. Such as engineering, calculations and data integration. It must be so simple give everyone a detailed explanation.
So far the only proof u have is a picture plastic bomb with red wings attached to Israeli drone. You think oit proves somehow that Russia is stronk in drones. :rofl:


I can see the pic/video clear as day. Its obviously an Orion, the dark paint and white random are clearly evident which is unique to the Orion.
This Iranian RC has white random

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LOL.


Hezbollah has attacked Israeli forces or Israel directly many times since 2006. :lol:


2018:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IF28D


2015:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Shebaa_farms_incident


Obviously high on your own propaganda.
That's all their attacks in 12 years. White Israel attacked them hundreds of times killing their top leader Mughnieh (which was more important than Nasrallah) and Samir Quntar (the only achievement of Hezbollah in 2006 war).

Prior 2006 the situation was the opposite: Hezbollah attacked Israel on regular basis and Israel almost not retaliate.


Israel was fighting in open country, with clear weather and had the advantage of using tanks, APC, air-power and artillery, and still suffered over a thousand casualties in 4 weeks while losing a lot of material equipment. Russia suffered heavy losses because it stayed and finished the job, as well as had to fight in much tougher conditions which favored the enemy. Russia could have also declared victory after 4 weeks too.

Israelis could not even take a tiny village with a few dozen Hezbollah fighters, even after using thousands of soldiers with armored brigades and airpower. I would love to see Israel take Grozny.
Israel took dozens of villages located in high mountains.

I explain to u again: the most important in the war is capture the population centers. In Chechnya virtually all the population (about 1 million) lives in open plains 100-200 meters above sea level. Few thousands live in mountains.

In Lebanon millions live in mountains.

You are so silly that post link about "mountain battle" with 5 casualties from both sides combined. :rofl:

No, clear the wax out of your ears. I said Israelis aided Al-Quida, which the former head of Massad acknowledged.
I asked u to bring a quote and all u could find is "it's useful to deal with your enemies in a human way". :omghaha:
 
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ANKA is real world class high technology MALE UCAV with SATCOM
can you tell us which Turkish launch vehicle Turkey uses to launch satellites into orbit?

lol maybe you are mistaken me for someone else.. I am the one who doesnt claim turks did everything by themselves I am the one who does not give a fu.. if we achive it by ourselves or by licence or with help of others as long as we get the abilities and the knowledge.. I am also the one who stated out that iran is smuggeling commercial stuff to use it for its projects..

so who cares if our technology bases on UK tech eg in sattelites who cares if the motor was a german one and now we have our own now and who cares if we use ukrainian tech as long as we get the abilities.. yesterday we got tech from UK today we design it by ourselfes :)

so some gavur can do what they like and brabble some useless dreams they have.. meanwhile we learn more and more and new products will enter the scene even if it hurts others.. for them our sucess tastes bitter :)

as I stated out iran could have a better base than we have but the mullahs are here the real problem
i agree with you. but the issue with indigenous production and self sufficiency is more about the iranian mindset because of bad experiences... history taught us in times of crisis you cannot rely on anyone but yourself, like in 1980 we had lots of american jets and bombs but suddenly the US refused to supply maintenance/spare parts/new parts etc, so we couldn't use them! since that experience it has become important to become self sufficient in everything we do, and this is still true now because when we needed s-300 from russia in 2012 they didnt supply, so we decided to develop bavar 373 (tests ongoing) instead, etc
 
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