Iran is preparing time bomb for Pakistan

[ShaikhKamal]

he has managed to mainstream sectarianism in Pakistan. i admire his fassad

You should contact Pakistani authorities and let them deal with it. Canadian government has not found any proof.

 

[El Sidd]

You should contact Pakistani authorities and them deal with it.

i am sure 95 percent of them are good people who can take care of it

 

[araz]

All shia imam bargah in Pakistan are controlled indirectly by Iran and have plenty of Iranian stooges who teach iranism than shiaism
Most Pakistani shia are obsessed with Iran and think that being loyal to Iran is part of shia faith.
That is more dangerous for Pakistan than the Zaynabiyoon recruitment

Without going into the nitty gritties of it the Pak Iran border should be mined and fenced ala AfPak border. This would bring a lot of peace to Paklands. There is certainly something cooking and it is not nice.
All I can say on open forum.
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[SQ8]

Many prominently members of the Pakistan movement were Deobandis and Imran Khan also is one. I can’t speak for Dar ul Uloom in India, but most of us here have been fervent supporters of the Pakistani state.

It was Deobandis of Pakistan who gave Islamic legitimacy to the Pakistani state, and people like Maulana Maududi, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Tariq Jameel, Junaid Jamshed, Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, Muftis Taqi and Rafi Usmani who have always been at the forefront of our nation.

As far as Taliban, it is Afghans decision how they choose their leaders and not our concern.

Unfortunately many people conflate Wahhabism and Deobandis, nothing can be further from the truth. Deobandis believe in Sufism and are a natural continuation of the Islamic activities of people such as Ahmad Sirhindi.

A lot of Deoband also opposed Pakistan- the original cry of Kafiristan origninated there.
But as such, Deoband is no more in the worlds of Shabbir Ahmed Usmani. When the core of Deoband left India(and Deoband), what Deoband, what Barielvi?

 

[HAIDER]

Without putting a religious tag on the people being recruited, we agree on, that:

1) Iran is recruiting youth from Pakistan to use for its agenda
2) Iran is responsible for many terrorist acts in Pakistan and supporting India in that aspect
3) Iran is sponsoring organizations in Pakistan, which are declared as "terrorist organizations"

Correct?

Not in my knowledge , never seen any concrete evidence . I don't know if Iran involve in any terrorist attack, because if Iran want to destablized Baluchistan , then they are shooting in there foot, yes India played very dirty role in that Pak-Afghan-Iran triangle. Where Kalboshun Yadev admit , he involve in shia massacre in Baluchistan . Specially organized attack on Pak-Iran route. Where hundreds of shia been murdered. But, I know lots of my friends and family friend been victim of religious extremism and left Pakistan.
When killers openly challenging the judges, that we kill shia and we will kill more and challenge the judge if you have guts then punish me..... what shia has protection. I seriously don't understand what Shia did anything wrong in Pakistan, did they kill anyone or did any suicide attack in mosque, markets or other religious places .... I think they very calm and never raise the arm against the state of Pakistan ...... and not in my knowledge ...

 

[coffee_cup]

Not in my knowledge , never seen any concrete evidence . I don't know if Iran involve in any terrorist attack. But, I know lots of my friends and family friend been victim of religious extremism and left Pakistan.

This shows a very clear bias.
Ok, lets talk about the known cases:

Kulbashan Yadav, Uzair Baloch who have killed 100s if not 1000s of innocent Pakistanis.

Sipah-e-Muhammad.

Still not evidence enough for Iran's involvement in terrorism in Pakistan?

PS: A lot of people left Pakistan when there was wave after wave of terrorist attacks in Pakistan and those people were from every walk of life, across religious beliefs.

 

[HAIDER]

This shows a very clear bias.
Ok, lets talk about the known cases:

Kulbashan Yadav, Uzair Baloch who have killed 100s if not 1000s of innocent Pakistanis.

Sipah-e-Muhammad.

Still not evidence enough for Iran's involvement in terrorism in Pakistan?

PS: A lot of people left Pakistan when there was wave after wave of terrorist attacks in Pakistan and those people were from every walk of life, across religious beliefs.

I don't know where it exist Sipah-e-Muhammad .... who they killed. Uzair Baluch was doing money laundering for Sindhi feudal . Ask anyone in your family who serve in Navy will tell you , he was running a boat ring to smuggle currency in middle east. He should be punished.
Read it don't ask me unrelated question .... this is your Uzair Baluch ...
https://www.dawn.com/news/1189973

Rangers issue details of detained Sunni Tehreek activists
Dawn.comJune 23, 2015
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KARACHI: Pakistan Rangers Sindh on Tuesday released details of accused criminals detained during a raid at the Sunni Tehreek headquarters.

The Rangers’ spokesperson issued the names of accused ST activists along with a charge-sheet.

Rangers had raided the Sunni Tehreek headquarters on June 17 and arrested several activists. Later on June 22, Rangers took into custody the two central leaders of the party, who had approached Rangers headquarters for the release of the detained activists.

Know more: Activists held in Rangers raid on Sunni Tehreek headquarters

A total of 11 men were arrested during the raid, of which eight are wanted for murder cases and the rest are accused of serious crimes, including extortion and street crimes, the statement said.

According to the Rangers’ report, Muhammad Alam alias Baba was wanted in 15 murder cases. He is believed to be involved in armed clashes with Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), said the report. He was also accused of extortion and land grabbing.

Muhammad Jawwad Qadri alias Waja has been accused of 14 murders and collection of extortion activities in Lyari in alliance with the gangs of Uzair Baloch.

Zubair Ali was wanted in 13 killings and three attempted murder cases. He was also involved in street crimes, extortion and abduction cases, said the report.

Muhammad Sulam alias Mirchi was alleged for involvement in 11 killing cases, besides kidnapping for ransom, extortion and torching properties.

Muhammad Akram alias Akarmi Kala was wanted in seven cases of murder, extortion and aerial firing.

Farhan alias Papa was involved in six murders, extortion and armed clashes with MQM, said the report, adding that he had been jailed during 2008 to 2010 for murder.

Shakeel Ahmed alias Fauji was also involved in target killing, the report said. He was also allegedly involved in extortion, torching vehicles and aerial firing.

Muhammad Arif alias Mashoori, Imran Saadi alias Noorani and Muhammad Noorul Aalam were allegedly involved in extortion and forcefully receiving Zakat.

Muhammad Rizwan alias Guddu was wanted in a murder case. He was also involved in illegal power connections syndicate and was also the in charge of the party’s arsenal.

 

[coffee_cup]

I don't know where it exist Sipah-e-Muhammad .... who they killed. Uzair Baluch was doing money laundering for Sindhi feudal . Ask anyone in your family who serve in Navy will tell you , he was running a boat ring to smuggle currency in middle east. He should be punished.
Read it don't ask me unrelated question .... this is your Uzair Baluch ...
https://www.dawn.com/news/1189973

For the argument sake, lets concentrate on Kulbashan Yadev for now.
What excuses are you going to discover to bail out Iran for that?

Why is it so hard for you to call spade a spade?
Iran is fanning terrorism in Pakistan and that is fact.

And just for the record, I have no problems of having good relations with Iran. I just can not take their hyporcisy anymore.

 

[HAIDER]

For the argument sake, lets concentrate on Kulbashan Yadev for now.
What excuses are you going to discover to bail out Iran for that?

Do whatever you do with Iran ...its not my problem

 

[coffee_cup]

Do whatever you do with Iran ...its not my problem

Then why are you defending that country for the last dozen or so posts?

We have problems in Pakistan and Iran is one country which is adding to those problems and we can not accept that. Respect should be mutual and not just one way.

 

[Murgah]

iran biggest enemy are arabs more we close to arab more chances of destablization and shias of pakistan are still pro pakistan but yes their are black sheeps

 

[HAIDER]

Then why are you defending that country for the last dozen or so posts?

We have problems in Pakistan and Iran is one country which is adding to those problems and we can not accept that. Respect should be mutual and not just one way.

don't relate Pakistani Shia to Iran.

 

[coffee_cup]

don't relate Pakistani Shia to Iran.

And where did I do that?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I know about 1971 but what do you mean by 2008? Is it to do with Zardari?

Beginning of TTP attacks and West anti-Pakistan rhetoric and pressure.

Well actually Deobandi Sunnis caused civil unrest which includes SSP, TTP, LeJ, JeM, Hezb ul Tehrir etc. Army dealt with them.

Most of those groups are Salafist Takfiris. They don’t represent Deobandis.

The propaganda that Deobandis and Wahhabis/Salafis are the same is totally incorrect.

We are essentially Orthodox Sunnis who oppose jahaliyyah customs like too much influence of peers and grave worship. We are also more inclined towards the rule of law (fiqh) and Sufism (which does not lead to kufr.)

Maulana Maududi inspired many people around the world with his writings including Sayyid Qutb in Egypt and Imam Khomeini of Iran.

Actual Deobandis are pro-Shia and pro-Iran as we take influence from the Iranian revolution and our political ideas are not much different.

A lot of Deoband also opposed Pakistan- the original cry of Kafiristan origninated there.
But as such, Deoband is no more in the worlds of Shabbir Ahmed Usmani. When the core of Deoband left India(and Deoband), what Deoband, what Barielvi?

Yes, we separated long ago. Pakistan’s formation breathed new life into the movement here due to Maulana Maududi and Maulana Shabbir Usmani.

Deoband in India is one of Modi’s biggest supporters, for example. They tend to be very sectarian and archaic as a symptom of being under pressure.

 

[Rafi]

I believe the bigots want to put us in concentration camps. But we will never go against our country, we as citizens can talk against Saudi or anybody else.