Iran, India eye deepwater gas pipeline

[bloo]

Not a long ago UN has increased our territorial waters. Let wait for now its just a proposal and is in its very early state of discussions im sure if u seriously want to make it then it will be different from the pics u have shown.

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[ni8mare]

And he says PN would take out the pipeline in case of a war.

Wonder what would Iran do if pakistan jeopardizes 2 billion USD of it's investment.

I was shocked when said that ...300 miles means no pak navy though subs may be a problem ..but that will be in all out war.....and also iran factor is also there

 

[janon]

@Umair Nawaz : The territorial waters of any country extend for twelve nautical miles from its landmass. No more, no less. Then there is an exclusive economic zone as well.

In war anybody can take out anything - that doesn't mean we wont build it during peacetime. The refineries in gujarat can be bombed if there is a war. But that doesn't mean we can't have refineries in gujarat. Anyway, these threats by pakistanis make it clear what makes the underwater pipeline a much better idea than the IPK land pipeline idea. It would be a lot easier for them to take out a land pipeline through their land, or just turn off the valves - but we didn't hear them making such a threat when we were contemplating financing such a pipeline. Now that we decide not to finance that, and instead bypass their landmass, and they are left with no money or expertise to create an Iran-pak pipeline, and last I heard they were asking Iran to finance their side of the pipeline as well, and Iran was refusing, suddenly they start making noises about their navy taking out our pipeline during war. As if India doesn't have a navy of her own, whos each task force has more reach and firepower than the entire PN. Sure, you can attack our infrastructure during war, and we will do the same to you. But that doesn't mean we won't build infrastructure at all.

BTW, 300 miles may be out of PN's reach. In '99 when the IN assumed forward positions and made threatening maneuvers, PN wisely sailed inward and didn't venture out of the harbours. In any case, it is irrelevant.

Good going by India and Iran. Our energy needs are huge, and too important to be dependant on pak in any way. If pak wants iranian gas, let them finance and build their own pipelines and deal with America's displeasure - they are much more vulnerable to that than India is.

 

[Not Sure]

I was shocked when said that ...300 miles means no pak navy though subs may be a problem ..but that will be in all out war.....and also iran factor is also there

Osama is already down there, waiting for the right moment

 

[Ghulam-Alazhar]

I am worry wahabi suicide dogs suicide in route of pipeline

 

[ni8mare]

@Umair Nawaz : The territorial waters of any country extend for twelve nautical miles from its landmass. No more, no less. Then there is an exclusive economic zone as well.

In war anybody can take out anything - that doesn't mean we wont build it during peacetime. The refineries in gujarat can be bombed if there is a war. But that doesn't mean we can't have refineries in gujarat. Anyway, these threats by pakistanis make it clear what makes the underwater pipeline a much better idea than the IPK land pipeline idea. It would be a lot easier for them to take out a land pipeline through their land, or just turn off the valves - but we didn't hear them making such a threat when we were contemplating financing such a pipeline. Now that we decide not to finance that, and instead bypass their landmass, and they are left with no money or expertise to create an Iran-pak pipeline, and last I heard they were asking Iran to finance their side of the pipeline as well, and Iran was refusing, suddenly they start making noises about their navy taking out our pipeline during war. As if India doesn't have a navy of her own, whos each task force has more reach and firepower than the entire PN. Sure, you can attack our infrastructure during war, and we will do the same to you. But that doesn't mean we won't build infrastructure at all.

BTW, 300 miles may be out of PN's reach. In '99 when the IN assumed forward positions and made threatening maneuvers, PN wisely sailed inward and didn't venture out of the harbours. In any case, it is irrelevant.

Good going by India and Iran. Our energy needs are huge, and too important to be dependant on pak in any way. If pak wants iranian gas, let them finance and build their own pipelines and deal with America's displeasure - they are much more vulnerable to that than India is.

that sum it up

 

[Roybot]

India backed out to get Civil Nuclear Deal.

Not at all. IPI would have given Pakistan unnecessary leverage over India. I was never for that project.

 

[SrNair]

This will not go the same way like IPI pipeline
Long live Indo-Iranian Friendship

This will not go the same way like IPI because here only two countries India and Iran and both know how to keep their words. and both are matured ,stronger ,responsible and independant.

 

[Indian Tiger]

it still is in our territorial waters. Plus our Navy can anytime take it down in hostilities with any of these two nations.

Yes PN can do something, but that disturbance might reflect in indus water... who knows..

 

[SrNair]

If u will behave abnormally with us being yr first neighbor and most pro iran country in the world they we may be forced to take direct action against u. Lets not forget yr latest border violations. And Also Ahmedinejad has signed a pact with us not to support US or any other country to use our land to attack iran also we signed a pact with Raza Shah gov that pak will not extract oil from baluchistan for 100 years because of yr support in 65 war. Such things may also come in danger by such moves. Plus Israel is India's reliable strategic partner so having giving them a space in yr society means an indirect israeli influence in iran through india.

India is not pakistan.No one can influence India .May at some extent Russia because their friendship and USA ,because superpower and we need them.But India will maintain relationship with Iran ,it is not a new thing we have relation with Iran over thousands of years.Ha aha.Do you know a fact ?
Israel need India more than India need Israel.
India will maintain relationship with all countries in the world.because India will consider only our Interest.We only gives priority to our national interest.

 

[SrNair]

Actually India withdrawed from IPI not due to US pressure,but we cant trust Pakistan.When we established a pipeline network from Iran within decade it will become base of our energy security.
So it is not good for us. a pipeline through pakistan
So we use II underwater pipeline method actually it is some complicated,but it give us complete energy security and can evade bargaining from Pakistan.Hope this will complete quickly.
India-Iran friendship long live

 

[IndoUS]

IPI failed because the pipeline would go through Pakistan, but since the underwater pipeline will in the international waters, we don't have to worry much about it. Hope the deal goes through and the work starts.

 

[BJP*]

Isnt the new route showed by anant_s passing through Pakistan's territorial waters? If the answer is yes then what advantage does it have over IPI... pakistan will still get royalty and india's gas needs will be still dependent on Pakistan!!

Or am I missing something :O

We are choosing sea route only to bypass pakistan. How can you expect we are going to lay pipeline in pakistan's territorial water?

 

[PurpleButcher]

If this pipeline is so feasible and underwater and bla bla and bypasses Pakistan... then why the hell india didnt think/implement it before..... why was India thinking about IPI at the first place when just 12 nautical miles is needed to bypass a country (seriously asking..no sarcasm at all)???

I think the devil lies in the details when they come up we will know..... And to further this argument why dont you guys also go for turkemanistan-Afghanistan(india friendly these days)-Iran-Sea-India pipeline as well....

Seriously speaking there must be some cons associated with a sea based pipeline ... otherwise the plan seems too sweet and simple to not to become reality long before!!!

We are choosing sea route only to bypass pakistan. How can you expect we are going to lay pipeline in pakistan's territorial water?

The reason was i didnt know the 12 nautical miles rule....i thought the EEZ was the territorial boundary of Pakistan's waters or for that matter any country's borders..... on the second page the picture showed it very close to Pakistan's borders!!

 

[Not Sure]

If this pipeline is so feasible and underwater and bla bla and bypasses Pakistan... then why the hell india didnt think/implement it before..... why was India thinking about IPI at the first place when just 12 nautical miles is needed to bypass a country (seriously asking..no sarcasm at all)???

Do not be so aggravated. In previous times Iran was heavily under sanctions and such a large investment in bilateral trade with Iran had no certain future.

There are more cons than pros to underwater pipelines when compared with land surface pipelines. The difficulty of laying, maintaining, and fixing the pipeline are just the starters.

However, anything, no matter how difficult, would be more feasible than a fuel pipeline that comes through Pakistan. The mood swings there are too unpredictable.

Despite all the talk in media and superficial support for TAPI as well as IPI, everyone with a capacity to think knew it very well that those plans would never come to fruition. Honestly, I do not understand how Pakistanis buy it and and go on to talk about IPI and TAPI some times.