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In Ancient Period ,our relation with Iran was a main pillar of our contacts with outside world.We have a 5000 years of friendship .And it will remain like that in future.
Our previous govt with much pressure and policy paralysis creates a lot of mistakes in our diplomacy.
But our new govt have good confidence.
If there is no issues in region we can see a full fledged business in Chabhar port within 5 years. We are also waiting for under water pipeline.Once it is finished Iran will become our main supply of oil.
Long live India-Iran friendship. :tup:
 
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This is a good development for Pakistan as well, many Pakistanis won't agree but India can actually indirectly help Pakistan's relations with Iran. India has accumulated a lot of influence in the west (mainly because the US wants to make India fight the Chinese but nonetheless) that it can use to ease some sanctions on the Iranians to allow economic works to start picking up. This will also benefit Pakistan as any easing of sanctions will put IP back in the works, which can then be extended to a third country in a few years making Pakistan more money. Also there is enough trade to go around, Central Asia is still developing and there is plenty of resources in that part of the world that is untapped the more ports the better for everyone. Not to mention competition is also the best way to keep everyone on their toes and efficient. I also envision an eventual rail link between Chahbahar and Gwadar which will facilitate even more trade again helping Iranian-Pakistani political and economic ties (not to mention development in Baluch areas is in the best interest of both countries something shared by Pakistan and Iran). Finally I remember Iranians talking about building a refinery in Gwadar, that will take a lot of money to start up which might actually ironically end up coming from the Indians if trade picks up the way it should.
 
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With Zionist advice like the following article from Forbes magazine, one wonders why India should be interested at all in Iran:

Port Of Damaged Goods: India's Dangerous Investment In Iran's Chahabar
By Avi Jorisch

India has launched a bold initiative to bolster its influence throughout Southeast and Central Asia. The Indian government is investing significant capital in Iran’s Chabahar free-trade zone and the surrounding infrastructure to secure its economic interests throughout the region, reduce Pakistan’s sphere of influence and compete with China. While this policy seems attractive in the short term, this course of action is fraught with unanticipated dangers. Investing in Chabahar not only allows Iran’s rogue regime to fill its coffers with the hard currency it needs to repress its people and facilitate terrorism, but may also harm India’s strategic relationship with one of its most important allies, the United States.

Traditionally, the relationship between India and Iran has revolved around trade. In 2010, the two countries conducted $14 billion worth of business, mostly in oil and gas. India’s decision to invest $100 million in Chabahar, a port in the Sistan-o-Balochistan province on the southeastern tip of Iran, is part of this relationship.

In addition, Chabahar offers India the ability to bypass Pakistan, which often prevents India from transferring goods to landlocked Afghanistan. In recent years, India has invested heavily in roads connecting the Kandahar-Herat highway to Iran so it can get goods and services into Afghanistan using this alternate route. India is being driven by a desire for increased trade with countries throughout Central Asia — including Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan — and for direct access to Afghanistan’s mineral market, worth an estimated $1 trillion to $3 trillion. Investing a relatively small sum of money would, in theory, yield a very nice return: at least 60-90 years of operating Chabahar. Given the likelihood of securing the “Iran route,” India and Afghanistan are now looking to build a 600-mile railway lineconnecting Chabahar to Afghanistan’s Hajigak region, which contains the country’s largest iron ore deposits.

India is also keen to counter Chinese competition in its backyard. Both India and China are investing in critical marine gateways in the Gulf of Oman, primarily for financial gain and to secure a safer corridor to transport their energy and commodities. While India invests in Chabahar, China is pouring resources into developing Gwadar, an equally important port located less than 50 miles away in Pakistan.

Iran is looking to use Chabahar to develop its infrastructure and levy sizable duties, and India’s investment serves as a critical lifeline for Iran in the face of international sanctions. For India, however, despite Chabahar’s financial advantages, there is more to lose than gain by doing business with the world’s most notorious state sponsor of terrorism.

India’s relationship with the United States is very important to it. Bilateral trade currently stands at around $106 billion annually — over 10 times India’s trade with Iran — and there are current negotiations to enter into a free-trade agreement.Whether increased investment in Iran, a country targeted by American sanctions, will hurt the U.S.-India alliance remains to be determined, but it certainly cannot help.

In the last decade, the international community, particularly the United States, has targeted over 180 Iranian entities — individuals, companies and financial institutions— freezing their assets, blocking their access to the international financial sector and imposing travel bans in an effort to force Iran to change its nuclear policy. Any Indian company that plays a role in developing Chabahar could be targeted by the U.S. Treasury Department and placed on its blacklist. The risk to India’s larger strategic interests should be reason enough to reconsider.

But additionally, India’s bet on Afghanistan or Chabahar may turn out to be a poor choice. Afghanistan remains politically unstable. Any government that comes to power after the 2014 elections, if led by the Taliban or another Pakistani-supported political faction, may not be as enamored of increased trade with Iran or India as the current government is. And Chabahar is located in one of Iran’s most explosive regions, where the Sunni Baloch insurgents have carried out repeated attacks against the regime in recent years.

Finally, the Islamic Republic endorses radical Islam and a strict interpretation of sharia law, which is starkly at odds with the tenets upon which India rests. Iran’s heinous record on human rights is well known, and is criticized by Iranian citizens, international and non-governmental organizations and even the UN. The government regularly engages in torture, rape and killing of civilians, dissidents and political prisoners. The ideals of Indian leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi could not be further from those of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Khameinei. As a country that has fought a long struggle against terror attacks in Kashmir, Mumbai and other places, India has itself been a victim of the radical ideology that Iran spreads and supports.

India should consider whether potential loss of access to the U.S. market, instability in Afghanistan and Chabahar and support for a state sponsor of terrorism is worth the bang for the buck. It should cease investing in Iran’s infrastructure so long as the Islamic Republic continues it march towards nuclearization, oppresses its people and proliferates terrorism.

Avi Jorisch is a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council and a former U.S. Treasury official.

Port Of Damaged Goods: India's Dangerous Investment In Iran's Chahabar - Forbes
In any international relations the national interests play the most important role followed by the real politik.
In past Iran was in US camp under Pahalvi and supported Pakistan in its wars against India. Indian vote against Iran on nuclear issue was largely coerced and thats another reality. After nuke tests pakistan sent special missions to Israel assuring her that it wont sell nuke tech to Iran. That was an unnecessary and unfriendly gesture by pakistan towards Iran. Its the same Pakistan that helped North Korea acquire nukes but it assured Israel against Iran. India and Iran have both supported northern alliance in Afghanistan and have been against talibans. International relations are never black and white and as Indian I see Iran as a big ally of India with mutual benefits.
Having some divergences India and Iran have major convergences when it comes to trade, economic cooperation, Afghanistan and 50 million Shias in India apart from historic cultural relations. Iran is a big power in the region but it should avoid international isolation as imposed by the west as it would weaken the nation in the long run. Both India and Iran can form a regional strategic axis to keep the influence of the west away. India may be a strategic ally of the US but it would not want US in her backyard. Thats where I see a great convergence with Iran.
 
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In Ancient Period ,our relation with Iran was a main pillar of our contacts with outside world.We have a 5000 years of friendship .And it will remain like that in future.
Our previous govt with much pressure and policy paralysis creates a lot of mistakes in our diplomacy.
But our new govt have good confidence.
If there is no issues in region we can see a full fledged business in Chabhar port within 5 years. We are also waiting for under water pipeline.Once it is finished Iran will become our main supply of oil.
Long live India-Iran friendship. :tup:
Tnx brother , looking forward to a boom in relations :tup:


don't you have any problems with India launching Israeli spy satellite that spy on you obviously
of course i do , but its politics man , it shows it's dirty side from time to time .

this does NOT mean that by each hardship we should destroy all the bridges behind us and we should put behind the 5000 year old relations .

thats not how it works . we are actually more happy with the new govt. in india and we hope their moto of independent foreign policy will help us in regards to bilateral relations .

long live iran-india relations ;)

besides , regarding the satellite , we have our own defensive measures ;) :

Report: Iran 'blinded' CIA spy satellite - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
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Welcome to the new edition of DEVIL'S ADVOCATE:devil::devil:

LOL Whatever happened to all the Indians who had fallen in love with Israel?:frown::lol: Do you know who supports Hamas?

@haman10 don't you have any problems with India launching Israeli spy satellite that spy on you obviously.:crazy:
Israel launches new satellite to spy on Iran | World news | The Guardian

Bilateral international relations are never slave to a third nation. Israel's achievements in agriculture and defence equipments are remarkable and thats where india's interests lie. But India's stand on Palestine and Gaza as same as before. A huge nation like Iran with 70 milion plus population and its geo political location provides India more opportunities than Israel.
 
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than why india and afghanistan keep requesting Pakistan for land route?

I had already explained as to why Chabahar potential trade is only 0.3-0.6% of Gwadar potential trade.


Because it will be easier to reach CAR via Pakistan.

0.3-0.6%, not its 0.000003 to 0.000000000000000006%. Its your logic afterall. lol
 
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Didn't know that , Tnx for sharing . but i think the most important thing is that we all worship the same being ....

name it whatever you want : allah , God , lord , .......[/QUOTE

thanks for sharing your posts here,,,,,,,, what you think about mansur sufi

you know he got killed for just saying " i am the god " means if you strive enough you can become like him
 
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@micky Mate , if you are talking about masour hallaj , which was a sufi figure , here is the story : sufis have very wired set of believes . in regards to mansour he claimed that he is god by referring to a verse in holy quran that says :

"we are closer to men than his/her neck veins"

this is still considered a major crime in islam which is misinterpretation of quran's verses .
 
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of course i do , but its politics man , it shows it's dirty side from time to time .

this does NOT mean that by each hardship we should destroy all the bridges behind us and we should put behind the 5000 year old relations .

thats not how it works . we are actually more happy with the new govt. in india and we hope their moto of independent foreign policy will help us in regards to bilateral relations .

long live iran-india relations ;)

besides , regarding the satellite , we have our own defensive measures ;) :

Report: Iran 'blinded' CIA spy satellite - Israel News, Ynetnews
Its not politics as I said. India really wants a strategic relationship (not merely economic or business) with Israel despite it being so small, remote and generally irrelevant to our interests. That satellite was nothing. We are the largest foreign customer of Israeli weapons (~50% of total exports). Have been for years. They are our 2nd largest supplier after Amreeka. All this not counting all the Israel worship by the Indians visible even on PDF itself.
So change your mind yet?:devil::devil::devil:

Hmmm
Bilateral international relations are never slave to a third nation. Israel's achievements in agriculture and defence equipments are remarkable and thats where india's interests lie. But India's stand on Palestine and Gaza as same as before. A huge nation like Iran with 70 milion plus population and its geo political location provides India more opportunities than Israel.
Ha. Expected answer. :dirol:
So you wouldn't have problems with Russia selling Yakhont to Pakistan? or selling Su 30 M2? or Mig 35?
FYI India's stand on Palestine is nothing special. Look at all the support they get in European countries.:sick:
 
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@micky Mate , if you are talking about masour hallaj , which was a sufi figure , here is the story : sufis have very wired set of believes . in regards to mansour he claimed that he is god by referring to a verse in holy quran that says :

"we are closer to men than his/her neck veins"

this is still considered a major crime in islam which is misinterpretation of quran's verses .
why?? mate?
in indian yogic culture we referred to him as a realized person,, he came to gujarat and punjab. we considered him as not a human being, all the realized persons are in one way door way to ultimate......
same thing happened to jesus christ,

and mate i am sorry if any of my posts are hurtful...
 
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So you wouldn't have problems with Russia selling Yakhont to Pakistan? or selling Su 30 M2? or Mig 35?
FYI India's stand on Palestine is nothing special. Look at all the support they get in European countries.:sick:
Who get all the support from Europe? Israel or Palestine? And what is the outcome? Its all hogwash. What could the Arab nations do about Palestine and how is their relations with the west? In reality its only Iran that poses a real threat to Israel and not the Arabs and hence the Israeli fear psychosis thats driving west against Iran.
Russia is a sovereign nation and can do what they want. They will assess the pros and cons of selling weapons to Pakistan and will do what they deem fit.
 
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why?? mate?
in indian yogic culture we referred to him as a realized person,, he came to gujarat and punjab. we considered him as not a human being, all the realized persons are in one way door way to ultimate......
same thing happened to jesus christ,

and mate i am sorry if any of my posts are hurtful...
You are raking up issues that has nothing to do with bilateral relations between two nations.
 
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same thing happened to jesus christ,
lol , no not at all :)

ok brother , since we are going a little off-topic here , i'll invite you to our chill-thread tomorrow and i'll explain everything for you .

is that alright with u mate ?
 
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India has two purpose for the port..first central Asia route second but most importantly it will give a future port for indian naval vessels to keep check on gwadar (it is just 70km along the shore East of chahabar)..
 
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