Iran has successfully tested nuclear-capable Soumar cruise missile

[Raghfarm007]

Is this really how simple minded you are? A picture is what you need to make up your mind?

If so, then please take a look at my secret picture of the Yemeni attack on the UAE`s nuclear facility. Keep it secret, my friend, who is a dissident prince in thd UAE gave me this picture, after I promissd him not to show it to anyne:

 

[TheImmortal]

Is this really how simple minded you are? A picture is what you need to make up your mind?

If so, then please take a look at my secret picture of the Yemeni attack on the UAE`s nuclear facility. Keep it secret, my friend, who is a dissident prince in thd UAE gave me this picture, after I promissd him not to show it to anyne:

No, he is saying that because such picture doesn’t exist. The attack like many other Yemeni missile attacks was 95% propaganda. It failed.

In the day of commercial satellite imaging if the attack was successful than many civilian researchers could pull up imaging to prove it. Especially a high profile attack on a 20 billion nuclear reactor.

To date the only large scale missile attack that was SUCCESSFUL by the Houthis/Yemeni Army was a Tochka missile attack on a UAE military forward base in yemen which killed scores of soldiers. At the time that base did not have any AD systems to protect it and thus was an easy target.

Since then missile attacks at Saudi Arabia have mostly been propaganda with no actual evidence of hitting their target or causing any significant material damage.

It is clear that soviet era ballistic missiles where the missile body and warhead are one unit, can easily be picked up by AD radars and engaged.

Now in the Soumar’s case the missile likely had faced technical malfunction or was deliberatly blown up by Iran after reaching testing goals. Hard to say at this point. No sides are willing to talk about it.

 

[Brahmanic]

Congrats!

 

[raptor22]

Is this really how simple minded you are? A picture is what you need to make up your mind?

If so, then please take a look at my secret picture of the Yemeni attack on the UAE`s nuclear facility. Keep it secret, my friend, who is a dissident prince in thd UAE gave me this picture, after I promissd him not to show it to anyne:

Well I just simply asked you to prove your claim, It didn't take long for Saudis to be proven lying when Saudis claimed that no missile hit the Riyadh airport ... now you telling me a CM hit UAE's Barakah nuclear power plant and no photo no report has leaked? no report on IAEA? do you think the UAE, Saudis next to American would let such an attack remain overlooked?
Secondly as far I know Kh-55 CEP is less than 25m but base on your impact location Somar CEP is 384,400 km a bad news for Iran and a bad news for you I think your source "dissident prince in the UAE" seems not being reliable ..

 

[Raghfarm007]

LOL kid.... it was you who claimed that the missile failed, and now you want me to prove your claim?!!

I simply asked for a source that the Yemenis claimed the missile failed, as you claimed. The rest is just hot air. Either provide a credible source, or let it go.

 

[raptor22]

LOL kid.... it was you who claimed that the missile failed, and now you want me to prove your claim?!!

I simply asked for a source that the Yemenis claimed the missile failed, as you claimed. The rest is just . Either provide a credible source, or let it go.

I have no problem that it hit or not, evidently it didn't.
I gave you photo of crashed CM what you gave me?moon?

 

[Raghfarm007]

And my point was that the pictures you showed mean nothing and there is no indication that it is a Sumar cruise missile .....this is why I asked for evidence, and not some meaningless pictures.

 

[Sineva]

No, he is saying that because such picture doesn’t exist. The attack like many other Yemeni missile attacks was 95% propaganda. It failed.

In the day of commercial satellite imaging if the attack was successful than many civilian researchers could pull up imaging to prove it. Especially a high profile attack on a 20 billion nuclear reactor.

To date the only large scale missile attack that was SUCCESSFUL by the Houthis/Yemeni Army was a Tochka missile attack on a UAE military forward base in yemen which killed scores of soldiers. At the time that base did not have any AD systems to protect it and thus was an easy target.

Since then missile attacks at Saudi Arabia have mostly been propaganda with no actual evidence of hitting their target or causing any significant material damage.

It is clear that soviet era ballistic missiles where the missile body and warhead are one unit, can easily be picked up by AD radars and engaged.

Now in the Soumar’s case the missile likely had faced technical malfunction or was deliberatly blown up by Iran after reaching testing goals. Hard to say at this point. No sides are willing to talk about it.

Actually the houthi/yemeni "qiam" type scuds use separating warheads and it seems very likely that most of these would have hit targets in saudi and that the saudi claims of successful intercepts are either false or deliberately misleading.In all likelihood because of the range limitations of the patriot interceptors the warheads would have separated from the missile body before it would be within intercept range,another problem is that the system would likely search for the largest target on a ballistic trajectory which would of course be the missile body,one other possibility is that the system might not actually have the capacity to resolve objects as small as the separated warhead.The best example of this was an attack on the riyadh airport where the saudis claimed a successful intercept only for an investigation to reveal that not only did the intercept fail but that the warhead actually hit the airport with passengers in one of the terminals hearing the explosion very close by.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...o-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

[TheImmortal]

Actually the houthi/yemeni "qiam" type scuds use separating warheads and it seems very likely that most of these would have hit targets in saudi and that the saudi claims of successful intercepts are either false or deliberately misleading.In all likelihood because of the range limitations of the patriot interceptors the warheads would have separated from the missile body before it would be within intercept range,another problem is that the system would likely search for the largest target on a ballistic trajectory which would of course be the missile body,one other possibility is that the system might not actually have the capacity to resolve objects as small as the separated warhead.The best example of this was an attack on the riyadh airport where the saudis claimed a successful intercept only for an investigation to reveal that not only did the intercept fail but that the warhead actually hit the airport with passengers in one of the terminals hearing the explosion very close by.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...o-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

That’s once instance out of many failed missile attacks. Furthermore, the missile missed Its target and an impact carter was not visible on satellite imagery.

So was this missile carrying a dummy warhead? How can such an warhead cause virtually no damage/impact crater?

Go look at a successful missile attack by Houthis which is the Tochka missile attack On a UAE base in yemen. The base was leveled.

 

[Sineva]

That’s once instance out of many failed missile attacks. Furthermore, the missile missed Its target and an impact carter was not visible on satellite imagery.

So was this missile carrying a dummy warhead? How can such an warhead cause virtually no damage/impact crater?

Go look at a successful missile attack by Houthis which is the Tochka missile attack On a UAE base in yemen. The base was leveled.

I think the article was pretty clear and concise actually
"The blast was small, and satellite imagery of the airport taken immediately before and after the blast is not detailed enough to capture the crater from the impact, the analysts said.But it does show ground damage from the emergency vehicles, supporting the finding that the warhead hit just off the runway.While the Houthis missed their target, Mr. Lewis said, they got close enough to show that their missiles can reach it and can evade Saudi defenses. “A kilometer is a pretty normal miss rate for a Scud,” he said."
Also the reason for the failure to intercept isnt because of some "fluke" or "lucky shot" on the part of the houthis its because of the range limitations and attack method of the patriot interceptor itself.Frankly I wouldnt be at all surprised if virtually all of the saudi intercepts failed and most of the warheads got thru,tho whether they actually did any damage is another issue however,but then its not like I`d be so stupid as to rely on the reporting of the saudi media for the imformation anyway.The big problem for the houthis is the fact that they either cant or wont use their missiles en masse as they are supposed to be used,because without that you`re really limited to pin pricks,altho one possible option would be the use of cluster munition warheads.
The tochka is a completely different type of weapon,its designed to be a short ranged battlefield missile with pretty good accuracy but very short range,70km for the A model,so I`m not surprised it was able to hit a military base,in addition these bases by their very nature do tend to be crammed with personnel and weapons so a successful strike often has quite spectacular results,altho personally I wouldnt have been shocked to learn that the gulfies stored all of their hi-ex right next to the soldiers accommodations.Indeed from the sounds of it the tochka has probably been one of the most successful weapons the houthis had,tho the gulfies also claimed successful intercepts against these as well however in this case I`d be more inclined to actually believe it simply because of the limitations of the tochka itself.

 

[TheImmortal]

I think the article was pretty clear and concise actually
"The blast was small, and satellite imagery of the airport taken immediately before and after the blast is not detailed enough to capture the crater from the impact, the analysts said.But it does show ground damage from the emergency vehicles, supporting the finding that the warhead hit just off the runway.While the Houthis missed their target, Mr. Lewis said, they got close enough to show that their missiles can reach it and can evade Saudi defenses. “A kilometer is a pretty normal miss rate for a Scud,” he said."
Also the reason for the failure to intercept isnt because of some "fluke" or "lucky shot" on the part of the houthis its because of the range limitations and attack method of the patriot interceptor itself.Frankly I wouldnt be at all surprised if virtually all of the saudi intercepts failed and most of the warheads got thru,tho whether they actually did any damage is another issue however,but then its not like I`d be so stupid as to rely on the reporting of the saudi media for the imformation anyway.The big problem for the houthis is the fact that they either cant or wont use their missiles en masse as they are supposed to be used,because without that you`re really limited to pin pricks,altho one possible option would be the use of cluster munition warheads.
The tochka is a completely different type of weapon,its designed to be a short ranged battlefield missile with pretty good accuracy but very short range,70km for the A model,so I`m not surprised it was able to hit a military base,in addition these bases by their very nature do tend to be crammed with personnel and weapons so a successful strike often has quite spectacular results,altho personally I wouldnt have been shocked to learn that the gulfies stored all of their hi-ex right next to the soldiers accommodations.Indeed from the sounds of it the tochka has probably been one of the most successful weapons the houthis had,tho the gulfies also claimed successful intercepts against these as well however in this case I`d be more inclined to actually believe it simply because of the limitations of the tochka itself.

Again that doesn’t answer my question. What KG warehead was this BM carrying?
If a BM is fired and cannot be spotted on satellite imagery after the attack yet the marks of vehicles can be spotted then that doesn’t make sense.

Why even fire such a missile? Either it wasn’t carrying a warhead or the warhead explosive yield Was tiny. Either reason leads to same response....why even fire it?

Yes the Tochka missile also was able to ignite secondary explosions of military equipment, but even if military equipment was not there...I assume you could have found an impact crater or blast mark.